Assassin´s Creed III - Part 1

[ProjectPat2280]

I think you guys are crazy, the desmond stuff has always been great (except for perhaps, the weird platforming stuff in Revelations).

Sure its been interesting, but pales in comparison to the actual meat of the game.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Sure its been interesting, but pales in comparison to the actual meat of the game.

But it is the whole reason for said meat and the very thing that elevates the fiction and ties ALL the games together.

That's like saying all the real world stuff in the Matrix is lame because the 'meat' of the movie is the Kung Fu.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

But it is the whole reason for said meat and the very thing that elevates the fiction and ties ALL the games together.

That's like saying all the real world stuff in the Matrix is lame because the 'meat' of the movie is the Kung Fu.

That absolutely, in NO way matters. Its by FAR the most boring aspect of this series in terms of how its presented. It doesnt matter how "important" it is. Its really hard to argue the Desmond stuff has been more fun to play than the Altair and Ezio sections of the previous games. Soapy was dead on when he said Ubisoft has failed with the execution of the Desmond stuff.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But there is no rule that says the Desmond stuff HAS to be as 'fun' as the main Assassin sections, at least not in the previous games. If a plot device carries significant narrative weight, it doesn't NEED to match the rest of it, it plays it's own, important role. It's like any hub world in a video game or the plot devices in Matrix, Inception, Avatar... anything where the main narrative foil is the wish fulfillment of 'Imagine if you, an ordinary person, could become something awesome'.

Well that was true of the Matrix, but at the end of that film, Neo BECAME just as awesome, inside and out. That's what AC 3 is for Desmond. He's experienced the entirery of Ezio and Altair's life and accumulated their experience and training. Assassins Creed Revelations ended with Desmond saying 'He knows what they have to do'.

So in a series about mystery and intrigue, Desmond is now a powerful and skilled Assassin and has either answers or clues as to what they need to do... All the games have led up to this and his story is the most significant carry over to AC 3 from previous games...

So completely undermining the significance of his story to the series is just ignorant.

 

[SpideyVille]

I don't think the Desmond stuff is supposed to be "fun" because it serves more as the story that holds everything together. Without Desmond, you could still get a good game about an Assassin, but his arc makes it something bigger that not only ties Altair's time to Ezio's time, but also to the present, and that present is where everything comes from because the whole reason he's going to the past is to find a way to save the world now.

With that said, I think Desmond's story needs a proper resolution, and personally, I would hope that we get some kind of "Modern Day" Assassin mission. They've been teasing it with the fighting he does in ACII, and the physical skills in ACB, and honestly, I'm surprised they did another Assassin because I feel like that takes time away from him. But in order to make the most of him and his story, especially in what''s been called his last game, they need to have that payoff.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Personally, I think that's exactly what we'll get. I think there will probably be some kind of Desmond mission. I doubt there will be a free roam element, but I think we'll definitely get some puzzle solving, temple exploring Desmond segments and I think we'll get some kind of big confrontation with Abstergo or some oppurtunity for him to show off his abilities.

 

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, you have to imagine that the game won't end with just a cutscene or something. As much as I hated the game overall, I really like how Desmond went back to The Colosseum at the end of ACB and explored around there after being there in the past as Ezio. But I can see them doing something similar to that but adding a boss or target that you have to kill at the end.

I'm also kinda wondering what happens to Connor at the end. I doubt we'll see him again in another game without Desmond, but based on how awesome he looks now, I can't help but feel like people would want more from him.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

So completely undermining the significance of his story to the series is just ignorant.

Or i recognize how boring it is. The Altair/Ezio portions of the past games were far more engaging. It really is a neat concept, but Ubi has done a terrible job implementing it. Like i said, in past games the second the Desmond stuff pops up im thinking, ok when do i get back to stabbing dudes and running along rooftops. And with ACIII, with all the fantastic footage Ubi has shown, im dreading the moment in the game when that is taken away from me.

 

[zenith16]

Or i recognize how boring it is. The Altair/Ezio portions of the past games were far more engaging. It really is a neat concept, but Ubi has done a terrible job implementing it. Like i said, in past games the second the Desmond stuff pops up im thinking, ok when do i get back to stabbing dudes and running along rooftops. And with ACIII, with all the fantastic footage Ubi has shown, im dreading the moment in the game when that is taken away from me.

hmm I guess they thought they were being subtle with Des and saving all cool stuff for him to show off for the last installment to make him badass in the end when he has all his ancestors skill's. But they could have mixed it up a little in the middle section's story wise to keep players from being bored when playing as him .

But they made their chose already, let's hope that what they were planning for the end with Des actually pay's off.

 

[SpideyVille]

To be honest, I skipped the Desmond story stuff in Revelations, and only played through them because I had to for the Platinum. It was interesting, and even though I'm still not entirely sure what's going on there with him, I am curious to see how they resolve it.

The gameplay and the Assassin's are fun, no doubt, but it's essential for the series as it is now to do something big with him before moving on to other characters and Assassins.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

To be honest, I skipped the Desmond story stuff in Revelations, and only played through them because I had to for the Platinum. It was interesting, and even though I'm still not entirely sure what's going on there with him, I am curious to see how they resolve it.

The gameplay and the Assassin's are fun, no doubt, but it's essential for the series as it is now to do something big with him before moving on to other characters and Assassins.

Yea id be lying if i said i didnt want to know what happens, but at the same time, every time the game takes me away from Ezio and Altair i cant help but get a little annoyed. Maybe if it was just bookended or something? Like have a little Des at the beginning then not any more until the end? rather than interrupting the "fun" parts of the game. IDK.

 

[SpideyVille]

Yea id be lying if i said i didnt want to know what happens, but at the same time, every time the game takes me away from Ezio and Altair i cant help but get a little annoyed. Maybe if it was just bookended or something? Like have a little Des at the beginning then not any more until the end? rather than interrupting the "fun" parts of the game. IDK.

I'm trying to think back to each of the games to remember why they would interrupt the memory sequences. I believe in ACI and ACII, it was because they were trying to prevent Desmond from spending too much time in the Animus because of the effects it could have had on him. Brotherhood, I think it was just more for a break to remind you what was happening in the present, and Revelations was sort of telling the story of him and Subject 16. So in some way, it was necessary to serve as a reminder of the bigger arc.

But I'm really hoping there's more to do with him than simply just explore or read e-mails, because I'm assuming that they'll follow the pattern of giving you action with Connor, and then some narrative with Desmond.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Does anyone have any thoughts on where Connor actually fits into Desmond's ancestory? Personally, I think his love interest will be either a descendant of Ezio or Altair.... I can't figure how his personal lineage could have ties back to those assassins, as a Native American.

 

[zenith16]

they said Conner's dad ( who fathered him )was white from what they said. so he was related to the other assassins prior through that. I guess since they skipped every thing in-between. or he married another European woman or fathered a kid with her from there after becoming one(an assassin )him self. They'll have eventually show this(how their related) I suppose. But that's what it sounds like.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I don't think Connor is a descendent of Ezio or Altair. He becomes an Assassin of his own accord, not because of his lineage.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

That makes little sense.

Connors Dad was English. That's still a few links from Italian or Middle Eastern.

 

[The Squirrel]

I don't think Desmond could access Connor's memories if they weren't closely related. So I don't think he's related by Connor marrying into the family.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think Connor is a descendent of Ezio or Altair. He becomes an Assassin of his own accord, not because of his lineage.

Yeah, I think he'll have a romance with an 'American' woman of Italian background or something.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think Desmond could access Connor's memories if they weren't closely related. So I don't think he's related by Connor marrying into the family.

Uh, that doesnt make any sense. Connor marrying into the family would still make him just as authentic and strong genetic link for Desmond to access, in fact technically it would be a stronger link than Altair since it would be fewer generations back anyway.

This would make Connor Desmonds Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather or something... That's a closer relation than Altair OR Ezio.

 

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, it's crap. But it was just a theory.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Now that I think about it, Connor's Dad is probably the link, otherwise I'm not sure why they'd even bother making Connor half english at all, unless it's significant to his story in another way.

 

[zenith16]

the main link is to make Conner feel some what of an outcast to the Red coats and some of the Americans to a degree and to some of the natives in a way. He's living in 3 worlds (two dealing with his mixed race and one as an assassin) But doesn't really fit in at least two of them.

So he's the true meaning of the word "renegade." where commander Shepard was more of a true meaning of a Rogue(seeing the alliance still let Shepard work for them in ME when he was doing stuff for him self) in the proper context and not just throwing words around, when you think about it. but in Conners case he's was forced there in his situation. .

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well no, being a full Native American would have still made him an outcast to the red coats and the Patriots. Thinking about it now though, having him as half English makes him almost an outcast to his own people too.

That last line of the recent trailer tells us as much, when Connor's Mentor talks about the people Connor goes to help still turn their back on him, why bother helping them and Connor says 'Because no one else will'. I love the idea of them pushing the Assassin's Creed as an ideal above all others, all sides of the conflict.

I am so excited for this game :P

 

[zenith16]

which is why I mentioned the natives too. I'm expecting something from that too. Well if any one else in the natives notice's that about him and has problem with it eventually that is . The Natives had blood feuds among other tribs. but something like that would be interesting to see. And his master talking the Americans. there was alot of double cross back then too. as in alot of things, It's not like some one wasn't' out for them selves when it suited them.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

That makes little sense.

Connors Dad was English. That's still a few links from Italian or Middle Eastern.

What doesn't make sense? Allow me to reiterate:
He becomes an Assassin of his own accord, not because of his lineage.

The newest trailer just confirms that he seeks out the Assassin's Creed for training - he wasn't born into it like Ezio or Altair. Slim chance that his father also happened to be an Assassin, especially when he grew up in a Mowhawk village.

That said, even if his father had Italian/Arab blood in him, it would be a TREMENDOUS coincidence if Connor's father was a descendent of Ezio or Altair when Connor has to search out the Creed to begin with.