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[oakzap425]

Helper monkey vs. Fat cosplay kid, epic.

...With Magic: The Gathering Cards


Magic ftw...

 

[squeekness]

Seriously dude... have you seen the threads here? If you spent a little more time here, you'd be a lot more mad at the world too..

*glances down at her sig* LOL. I love how you keep talking to me like I'm a guy.

I have seen a lot of threads here and I willingly don't post in the more silly ones. But there are some threads here that deal with real issues and if you look, I have posted in some of those. I try to keep my anger to a minimum and see value in discussing things, but not in fighting, Insulting folks and bickering solves nothing and I try to stay out of most fights. Even now, I hope I am trying to be reasonable. I am not fighting, just trying to show that post count and age shouldn't matter as much as what a person has to say.

 

[Mee]

...With Magic: The Gathering Cards


Magic ftw...

Monkey has poo flinging. Pwnt.

 

[twylight]

Oaky, uses 'dude' for everyone...I do too.

 

[oakzap425]

*glances down at her sig* LOL. I love how you keep talking to me like I'm a guy.

I have seen a lot of threads here and I willingly don't post in the more silly ones. But there are some threads here that deal with real issues and if you look, I have posted in some of those. I try to keep my anger to a minimum and see value in discussing things, but not in fighting, Insulting folks and bickering solves nothing and I try to stay out of most fights. Even now, I hope I am trying to be reasonable. I am not fighting, just trying to show that post count and age shouldn't matter as much as what a person has to say.

I know you're a girl...


I didn't know you couldn't call a girl "dude"... I do it to everyone...

 

[Warhammer]

I really like 1 and 2.

 

[squeekness]

Squeek, I think basically if you see a good thoughtful post in some of the forums no one looks at the join date or the post count of the induvidual. They look at the content. Here in the community though if a person sees even one stupid post they'll look for post count and join date and then form an opinion towards the person. In many cases, and because we've had so many of them the past few years, the newer the join date the more the posts, that person is pegged as a 'spammer' no matter wherelse they've posted. Most people in the community don't look at the other forums of Hype to see where the person has been posting.

Also in my opinion I'm still 'new' and for the posters from 2000-2002 I AM still new. To a certain extent that will never go away. You'll always be the 'new' kid. Believe me I know.

You just have to find the niche where it doesn't feel like it matters and then not care what anyone else says.

I guess what was so perplexing to me was that fairly early on, I had been percieved in the X3 forums to be a fairly reasonable person and decently liked, mostly because I did not troll or make stupid posts or threads. I would discuss things and try to quiet arguments down. I may be a young Hyper, but I am not a young person and I think it comes through in my posts. Silly me, I thought that similar behavior would make it easy for me to be repected and at least liked out here in communities. That hasn't been the case and I have yet to find a resonable explanation for it. Sometimes it seems to me that the ruder you are, the more folks like and respect you out here and I just don't get why that should be.

 

[squeekness]

I know you're a girl...


I didn't know you couldn't call a girl "dude"... I do it to everyone...

LOL, sorry. It typically only happes to me when folks think I'm a guy.

 

[oakzap425]

Monkey has poo flinging. Pwnt.

Pssh...

I pull +3 CardCaptor Pink Blossom Force Field to block said 'poo"...

 

[SouLeSS]

That's why the join date means more in my proposed idea.

Then there's even more segrigation. I've been lurking on these boards for three years, but only recently had a reason to sign up on them. Does that mean I don't get all the benifits that the people that joined in 03 get?

This can go back and forth all night. Fact of the matter is, I feel it a pointless thing to make Avatars and Sigs and Custom User Titles a reward for being here for a while. The only thing that should come with being an elder on these forums should be a Mod spot, but this forum doesn't have them. (Or at least they dont have multiple mods for every section totaling to about 50+ mods like a lot of other sites do).

Just my 2 cents, and my personal views on how nearly every other message board I've ever gone to in the past 10 years has been.

 

[twylight]

I guess what was so perplexing to me was that fairly early on, I had been percieved in the X3 forums to be a fairly reasonable person and decently liked, mostly because I did not troll or make stupid posts or threads. I would discuss things and try to quiet arguments down. I may be a young Hyper, but I am not a young person and I think it comes through in my posts. Silly me, I thought that similar behavior would make it easy for me to be repected and at least liked out here in communities. That hasn't been the case and I have yet to find a resonable explanation for it. Sometimes it seems to me that the ruder you are, the more folks like and respect you out here and I just don't get why that should be.

It comes down to something very simple and superficial:

Community members for the most part put more stock in join dates and post count, good or bad than others in the forums. It's all about image here.
I wish I could explain it better but that's pretty much it.

Who can have the snappiest reply, the most cunning ownage, the coolest avatar.

Why do you think there are so many Popularity Threads? Part of that is what pushed me out of the community. It's image, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[oakzap425]

I guess what was so perplexing to me was that fairly early on, I had been percieved in the X3 forums to be a fairly reasonable person and decently liked, mostly because I did not troll or make stupid posts or threads. I would discuss things and try to quiet arguments down. I may be a young Hyper, but I am not a young person and I think it comes through in my posts. Silly me, I thought that similar behavior would make it easy for me to be repected and at least liked out here in communities. That hasn't been the case and I have yet to find a resonable explanation for it. Sometimes it seems to me that the ruder you are, the more folks like and respect you out here and I just don't get why that should be.

You know what you must do now, right?

It's time to bust out the Japanese Hotties Threads. I'd be in it like white on cooked rice...



























YOu know.. "White on Cooked Rice" and Japanese, in the same sentence, could probably be deemed racist, though that's not the way I meant it...

 

[squeekness]

It's time to bust out the Japanese Hotties Threads. I'd be in it like white on cooked rice...

YOu know.. "White on Cooked Rice" and Japanese, in the same sentence, could probably be deemed racist, though that's not the way I meant it...

I'd be happy if that thread consisted of hot guys, Bruce Lee and Chow Yun Fat in particular, though I am uncertain if they are Japanese or not....

 

[oakzap425]

Why are people so pissy about the post count rankings for avatar's and such?!


Is that all you really care about?

You lurked for years, but doesn't make you an active member on the boards. Anyone can lurk... that doesn't make you a member. Actually putting for the effort, and posting, and caring on conversations with other posters, makes you a member of the Hype.

 

[Darthphere]

Then there's even more segrigation. I've been lurking on these boards for three years, but only recently had a reason to sign up on them. Does that mean I don't get all the benifits that the people that joined in 03 get?

This can go back and forth all night. Fact of the matter is, I feel it a pointless thing to make Avatars and Sigs and Custom User Titles a reward for being here for a while. The only thing that should come with being an elder on these forums should be a Mod spot, but this forum doesn't have them. (Or at least they dont have multiple mods for every section totaling to about 50+ mods like a lot of other sites do).

Just my 2 cents, and my personal views on how nearly every other message board I've ever gone to in the past 10 years has been.

Well whose fault is it for you not joining? The fact that you didnt find the need to post until you joined is prime in this argument. WHy should you come here and automatically get sigs, avatars, custom titles. Because you lurked for 3 years? No, you dont. Someone joins, they post regularly, reach a certain post count, they get rewarded. Its not segregagtion, its a reward system. Since at the end of the day, we dont really need avatars or sigs.

 

[oakzap425]

I'd be happy if that thread consisted of hot guys, Bruce Lee and Chow Yun Fat in particular, though I am uncertain if they are Japanese or not....

...No, they aren't...


But Jin Akanishi is...

Mmm... you should go look him up... yummy...

 

[twylight]

Then there's even more segrigation. I've been lurking on these boards for three years, but only recently had a reason to sign up on them. Does that mean I don't get all the benifits that the people that joined in 03 get?

This can go back and forth all night. Fact of the matter is, I feel it a pointless thing to make Avatars and Sigs and Custom User Titles a reward for being here for a while. The only thing that should come with being an elder on these forums should be a Mod spot, but this forum doesn't have them. (Or at least they dont have multiple mods for every section totaling to about 50+ mods like a lot of other sites do).

Just my 2 cents, and my personal views on how nearly every other message board I've ever gone to in the past 10 years has been.

Darn, I want my vote back...*pulls out back-up screen names to even it out*

Let me address the join date quickly. I doubt Drak means for it to be based on years, I think he means more of months than anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong Drak.



I agree with the principle behind both you and Kyp.
Going back to the basics is what I would do. However it wouldn't effect the issue of spamming. If it was accepted how would spam be addressed? More Mods for one, to temper the control of spam over the board. But not simply numbers of mods, rather picking Mods from members who are on at varying intervals, thus making sure that the forum is NEVER without more than x number of mods to control it. I know the reason for Global mods was to make sure that if needed, the mods could correct something in another forum when needed. However, modding the community alone is a job in and of itself.
This issue could trail off forever for all the different forums but I don't have time and that's not the issue.
The Admin has made it very clear that they do not look favorably on any advice, from the posters not matter how presented, thread or otherwise, about the running of the board.

The only thing we can do besides a complete overhaul and rethinking of the entire system is instate more restrictions in an effort to curb the tide of spam.

 

[Drakon]

Well whose fault is it for you not joining? The fact that you didnt find the need to post until you joined is prime in this argument. WHy should you come here and automatically get sigs, avatars, custom titles. Because you lurked for 3 years? No, you dont. Someone joins, they post regularly, reach a certain post count, they get rewarded. Its not segregagtion, its a reward system. Since at the end of the day, we dont really need avatars or sigs.

Exactly.

 

[squeekness]

Going back to the basics is what I would do. However it wouldn't effect the issue of spamming. If it was accepted how would spam be addressed? More Mods for one, to temper the control of spam over the board. But not simply numbers of mods, rather picking Mods from members who are on at varying intervals, thus making sure that the forum is NEVER without more than x number of mods to control it. I know the reason for Global mods was to make sure that if needed, the mods could correct something in another forum when needed. However, modding the community alone is a job in and of itself.

I agree that we could use more mods. This is a large and busy forum, I am sure stuff gets by mods, not becuase they are not doing their jobs, but because this place is massive. On the other hand, the fact that we, as citizens, can report bad posts, I think brings some responsibility on us as well. If we took more time perhaps to watch what others are doing we could help out, so long as it wasn't being done beligerently or older posters picking on newer ones just because they are new.

 

[Mr.Webs]

Both solid ideas, Drakon.

 

[twylight]

I agree that we could use more mods. This is a large and busy forum, I am sure stuff gets by mods, not becuase they are not doing their jobs, but because this place is massive. On the other hand, the fact that we, as citizens, can report bad posts, I think brings some responsibility on us as well. If we took more time perhaps to watch what others are doing we could help out, so long as it wasn't being done beligerently or older posters picking on newer ones just because they are new.

May of us do report posts, however we can't watch the Hype as closely or make judgement calls only Moderators could make. Such as deciding what is spam and what is not spam, in a way that would clean Hype up to the degree many of us have our hearts set on.

 

[Drakon]

Let me address the join date quickly. I doubt Drak means for it to be based on years, I think he means more of months than anything. PLease correct me if I'm wrong Drak.

No, you're right. Ideally, I'd like to use the example I made in the first post.

Going back to the basics is what I would do. However it wouldn't effect the issue of spamming. So how would that be addresses? More Mods for one to tempter the control of spam over the board.

What would more mods do? Most of you would just complain, like when Doggy was promoted. We discuss these things before stuff happens-it's not a random name out of a hat. Names are brought up, shot down, nominated and seconded, ignored, and even contacted and they shoot them down.

But not simply numbers of mods, rather picking Mods from members who are on at varying intervals, thus making sure that the forum is NEVER without more than x number of mods to control it. I know the reason for Global mods was to make sure that if needed the mods could correct something in another forum when needed. However modding the community alone is a job in and of it's self. This issue could trail off forever for all the different forums but I don't have time and that's not the issue.

That's possible, but not really feasible. As it stands, Mirko already feels we've got enough moderators, and the staff can all overall agree. Granted, most of us all have simular timeframes for being on the site, but we're practically all on during peak time.

 

[Carter]

This is obviously some ruse to limit our freedoms here, and to turn the hype into the modern Nazi Germany. Drak's just using this reindexing as his own Reichstag fire.

Wake up people, Drak is trying to militarize the mods and turn the hype into a police state

 

[Drakon]

This is obviously some ruse to limit our freedoms here, and to turn the hype into the modern Nazi Germany. Drak's just using this reindexing as his own Reichstag fire.

Wake up people, Drak is trying to militarize the mods and turn the hype into a police state

Heil Myself! Heil to me! I'm the Kraut who's out to change Hype's History!
Heil Myself! Raise your Beer! Every Hotsi-Totsi-Nazi stand and cheer!

It ain't no mystery, if it's politics or history. The thing you've gotta know is...everything is showbiz.

 

[twylight]

No, you're right. Ideally, I'd like to use the example I made in the first post.

*score*

What would more mods do? Most of you would just complain, like when Doggy was promoted. We discuss these things before stuff happens-it's not a random name out of a hat. Names are brought up, shot down, nominated and seconded, ignored, and even contacted and they shoot them down.

More mods would mean more control and ability to head off spam as it starts in each of the forums, not just one or two.

That's possible, but not really feasible. As it stands, Mirko already feels we've got enough moderators, and the staff can all overall agree.

I understand that hence my:

The Admin has made it very clear that they do not look favorably on any advice, from the posters not matter how presented, thread or otherwise, about the running of the board.

Granted, most of us all have simular timeframes for being on the site, but we're practically all on during peak time.

I don't want to attack, however there are 5 Admins and 9 Moderators, for 21 forums and 100 sub forums and you want to instigate more regulations based on join date and post count to curb spam. I'm not saying we need more mods, I only mentioned that to Soul's comment about going old school, that we'd need more then.

On with the topic at hand.


True, they should have joined earlier, especially if they were lurkers, it is of their own making. Heck, I would have joined the forum sooner if I'd found it earlier. I agree it's rewards on a first come first serve basis and I'm not going to debate that. However you would be making a heirarchy out of one that is already semi-established.
You witnessed it first hand with Squeek and Oaky.