Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 1

[Anubis]

Well, if you care about whether or not characters act like they usually act in certain situations or not, I'd avoid it. If you don't, then by all means, read away.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Cool. Apparently Legion shows up in this one.

 

[Deadbolt]

Well, if you care about whether or not characters act like they usually act in certain situations or not, I'd avoid it. If you don't, then by all means, read away.

Isn't that what Fraction is best at? Inaccurate characterizations that go against every behavior the character has exhibited up to that point?

 

[runawayboulder]

It's not just Fraction, it's everybody.

 

[Manic]

If only there were people employed by Marvel whose job it was to maintain continuity and consistency...

 

[roach]

*Crotchety Old Man Voice*
Ah remember a time when they used to have people who'd stop that sort of thang. Hell they even got paid for it. We usedta call 'em Editors

 

[Havok83]

Isn't that what Fraction is best at? Inaccurate characterizations that go against every behavior the character has exhibited up to that point?

Fraction hasnt even scripted any of the main series yet

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I haven't read any of the avengers tie ins but the main series is average at best. The best issues in terms of characterization of the x-men at least have been thus far Uncanny 11 and WATXM 10.

 

[Havok83]

Gillen and Aaron are two amazing writers. They've done the X-franchise a world of good

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Agreed. I thought getting into Namor's head was great in UXM. He's a character that sometimes becomes a parody of himself so it was nice to see something a little less superficial for once (though I'm very much entertained by said superficiality).

 

[Specter313]

I've been meaning to ask: why do you always post all of the preview images? It's not that I don't appreciate the effort, but a link would do fine.

It's just the way I've always done it, because I think it just saves a step or two for everyone else so they don't have to go to another site and then click through all the links and pics. Plus, like Manic said, maybe not everyone wants to click extra links.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Gillen and Aaron are two amazing writers. They've done the X-franchise a world of good

The two of them and Remender have turned the X-Men upside down. Gage isn't quite to their level yet but even he's an improvement over what it was under Brubaker/Milligan/Fraction/Carey (though Carey had some good runs in there).

 

[Manic]

I think Brubaker did a fantastic job during his brief stint on UXM.

 

[Havok83]

He did. He brought the book out of the rut it was in since Seagle left, IMO

 

[venom892]

I enjoyed his run.Once Fraction came on I became less interested with every arc. Until I just jumped ship.Now all i read is Legacy and X-force.I'll be getting WATX in trade.

 

[runawayboulder]

He did. He brought the book out of the rut it was in since Seagle left, IMO

Eh, it wasn't all bad since Seagle. Joe Casey was pretty good despite being overshadowed by Morrison's NXM. Claremont's 3rd run was better than his 2nd.

 

[Havok83]

Eh, it wasn't all bad since Seagle. Joe Casey was pretty good despite being overshadowed by Morrison's NXM. Claremont's 3rd run was better than his 2nd.

Casey's run was boring muddled by awful art. CC's run was awful. Everything he's done with the X-world since his return has been bad. Early X-treme was only saved by the amazing art. I really didnt think UXM was a good title in the gap between Seagle and Brubaker. Maybe a few good issues here and there but nothing that it could sustain for a lengthy amount of time. Overall it was mediocore at best

 

[JewishHobbit]

Brubaker's X-Men run will always be tainted to be due to his pointless killing of Banshee. Not to mention he followed the only formula he knows, changing the past (Vulcan's group of X-Men) bringing back dead people (D'Ken), and killing people off (Banshee, Corsair, D'Ken). And he created and played up Darwin for the story when he could have used Lifeguard, who fit the story perfectly.

As for between Seagle and Brubaker, I enjoyed Casey's run quite a bit. Austen was hit or miss but overall I enjoyed it. It didn't damage the X-Men NEAR as much as Morrison's X-Men run. And despite complaints, I really enjoyed everthing Claremont's done with the X-Men save the later half of X-Treme. I loved the arc with the Fury. I liked the Neo. I LOVED X-Treme through the Invasion story. Excalibur was fantastic. I think he's had some good stuff. The second half of X-Treme wasn't even that bad, just mediocre with bad art that further hurt it.

Personally, I don't think the X-Men books started going downhill until Milligan and Brubaker were on the two books. The later half of Whedon's run was during that time but it was so plagued with delays there was little enjoyment in it, so even that was tainted at the time (though great in hindsight).

 

[Manic]

Excalibur (the Genosha stuff, not New Excalibur) was the only thing written by Claremont in the last decade that I absolutely loved! He was really on his A-game when he wrote that. Then Bendis happened and House of M forced the book into cancellation, once again proving that it was the single worst thing to ever happen to the X-Men franchise.

 

[runawayboulder]

I was re-reading Whedon's run the other day and it was pretty fantastic. That's the problem with comics as time goes on, you forget that in some cases it came out once every 3-4 months.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I was re-reading Whedon's run the other day and it was pretty fantastic. That's the problem with comics as time goes on, you forget that in some cases it came out once every 3-4 months.

I was doing the same recently and was especially loving the final issues with Spider-Man begging someone to do some magic and Emma saying she was 'astonished' at Kitty just wowed me. In hindsight it was such an enjoyable run but at the time I was just buying it because I bought everything X-Men. I was honestly very ticked off with Whedon and Marvel in general for handling it how they did. The fact that the entire second half of that run, from issue 13-14 and the Giant Sized finale has to take place chronologically right before Messiah Complex, when it was obviously meant to be right after House of M, still annoys me. Reading the X-Men straight through, such a gap from pre-House of M to pre-Messiah Complex is jarring. The delays made that had to happen.

Most people wouldn't care about that type of thing but as someone who binds my comics, that's a noticable distance.

 

[Havok83]

D'Ken was never killed until Brubaker killed him off in Uncanny

 

[JewishHobbit]

I thought he was way back when with the M'Kron thing. I'm rusty on my old X-Men stuff. My mistake.

 

[Manic]

Didn't D'Ken just fall into a coma? Because Vulcan just fired his brain back up before killing him.

 

[Havok83]

Nah the M'Kraan crystal left him catatonic for years. He was laying in a coma till Brubaker brought him back.