Batman: Arkham Origins - Part 5

[Tron Bonne]

The one underneath Crime Alley was rendered useless thanks to Ra's using it. Not to mention Clayface falling on it and blowing up.

The other pits are around many remote parts of the world, and Ra's would be the LAST person to want to revive the psychopath who killed his daughter.

Finally, it's kinda hard to revive someone whose corpse was exhumed, if Arkham Unhinged is to be believed.

Oh, yeah, this stuff is obviously going to make some kind of difference is they decide to go this route. Dozens of ways to address all this.

 

[Nathan]

Batman Beyond anyone? Even they managed to bring Joker back, without the use of the Lazarus Pit. If they want Joker back, he'll be back. He could be turned into dust and they could still come up with a way.

 

[Rincewind]

Even though in comics dead can often be "dead", it doesn't mean it's a good narrative conception. I'm a firm believer that if a character is killed off, then he/she should stay dead; if not, don't kill them - make it ambiguous or avoid the scenario altogether. Otherwise, it's pointless and it cheapens the effect of the "death" both to the reader/viewer/player and in-universe.

So, with that in mind, if there is to be another sequel set after City, I think that the Joker should stay dead. It doesn't mean that he shouldn't come back as a hallucination or a mind trick to haunt Batman, but it should all be in Bat's head, preferably by giving us some character development for him.

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But aside from that, I finished the hotel and... oh boy!
Like I said in a previous post, this game does great justice to its main characters. The Joker is written so well. And the little trip inside his mind was amazing. I love how he began to manipulate Dr. Quinzel at once after he was arrested.
And the way he becomes so confused and intrigued by Batman's actions and dedication to save lives, even the Joker's - this game just... gets it.

And I cannot say how pleased I am with Bane; the previous two games kind of did not do a very good job with him, but here his characterization is top-notch. A brutal, tough badass who is not impressed with the Joker's crazy antics nor with Batman's abilities.
I loved how calmly he started to walk away while the police helicopters arrived and began to shoot at him... only to later shoot at the Joker with the bazooka! That's how Bane should be - nobody's lackey, a man with an enormous faith in his own strengths and abilities.

And, of course, Batman is also characterized so well - from the way he jumps off the 40th floor without hesitation to save a human life, even if it belongs to someone as wretched as the Joker, to his relentless drive to stop the whole madness and apprehend the rampaging criminals, he is the Dark Knight, even if only in his 2nd year.
And I like his conversation with Alfred after the events in the hotel - it shows very well how dedicated he is to his promise. And maybe it's just me, but their conversation has borrowed some thematic elements from the famous "I am the one who knocks!" scene from Breaking Bad; which is not a bad thing, and it sounds appropriate for the characters.

I seriously think that Origins has the best story and characterization of these games so far.

 

[badgrammar]

Put my big boy panties on today and got the Dark Knight suit. It's so beautiful

Don't call it that. We should not be satisfied till they actually give us the TDK suit.

 

[badgrammar]

Oh, there's always the ****ing Lazarus pits. Throw Joker's corpse in there and boom, you're ready to go. I don't want that to happen, but it's as easy a solution as you can get

Use that for Bane so he can have his redemption

 

[Nathan]

Eh, the TDK suit is just a mess. Origins' suit actually looks better.

 

[badgrammar]

The one underneath Crime Alley was rendered useless thanks to Ra's using it. Not to mention Clayface falling on it and blowing up.

The other pits are around many remote parts of the world, and Ra's would be the LAST person to want to revive the psychopath who killed his daughter.

Finally, it's kinda hard to revive someone whose corpse was exhumed, if Arkham Unhinged is to be believed.

It would be cool if we were able to globe trot using the Batplane.

 

[badgrammar]

Eh, the TDK suit is just a mess. Origins' suit actually looks better.

Take that BACK!!!

 

[Nathan]

I don't take back the truth.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I was just going through Bane's lair and there's a spot where a bunch of pictures of Killer Croc are pinned to a wall, but it's his design from Arkham City.....lol

 

[Tron Bonne]

Even though in comics dead can often be "dead", it doesn't mean it's a good narrative conception. I'm a firm believer that if a character is killed off, then he/she should stay dead; if not, don't kill them - make it ambiguous or avoid the scenario altogether. Otherwise, it's pointless and it cheapens the effect of the "death" both to the reader/viewer/player and in-universe.

This kind of stuff is cool to say, until we realize we're talking about stories in which a whiny orphan decides to run around in Bat themed pajamas fighting clowns and other similarly stupid things. I mean, really, who gives a ****? I don't want them to bring back Joker because he died, I don't want them to because I am just so ****ing tired of them using him: dead, alive or in-between.

 

[jmc]

^ It's the truth though. Comics for the longest period of time have painted themselves into a corner with regards to character deaths. When a major character dies he's brought back not long after, it cheapens the death and does nothing more than waste everyone's time, and unfortunately we're starting to see it creep up into superhero films. Stories like the ones in the Arkham series are a breath of fresh air because they are free from continuity restrictions. Frankly, I would love to see comic books follow this path, do away with DC universe and just release stories as graphic novels.

 

[Tron Bonne]

It's not the "truth". I mean, it's fine to feel that away about comic deaths, but really, it's pretty silly to try and paint resurrection as the line when you're reading about all this other stuff that is just as utterly stupid. Besides, they've already clucked it with bringing in Ras anyway

 

[jacobed]

I don't take back the truth.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm no

 

[BrollySupersj]

Eh, the TDK suit is just a mess. Origins' suit actually looks better.

It's just the default suit in black and yellow. How does that turn it into a mess? Just a recolor.

 

[Nathan]

It's just the default suit in black and yellow. How does that turn it into a mess? Just a recolor.

I'm talking about the actual TDK Nolan suit.

 

[jmc]

It's not the ''truth''. I mean, it's fine to feel that away about comic deaths, but really, it's pretty silly to try and paint resurrection as the line when you're reading about all this other stuff that is just as utterly stupid. Besides, they've already clucked it with bringing in Ras anyway

Dude, it's not about the concept in which the story is based around, it's about basic story telling principles. I could care less if it's comic books, movies, tv, theatre, fantasy novels, you keep reverting to bring someone back from the dead and the death becomes meaningless. So yeah, from a basic story telling perspective it is the truth.

 

[BrollySupersj]

I'm talking about the actual TDK Nolan suit.

Whoops lol, my bad.

 

[badgrammar]

I don't take back the truth.

All jokes aside. I couldn't care less if it's an ugly suit. I want the TDK suit period. I think it's stupid to name a skin "The Dark Knight" when it's not it. The game is heavily influence by the TDK trilogy. They should give is us that suit.

Not only that, but the suit you prefer is influence by the TDK suit.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Dude, it's not about the concept in which the story is based around, it's about basic story telling principles. I could care less if it's comic books, movies, tv, theatre, fantasy novels, you keep reverting to bring someone back from the dead and the death becomes meaningless. So yeah, from a basic story telling perspective it is the truth.

Different types of stories lend to different types of storytelling. There really isn't some broad "truth" that applies to every type of story or genre. That's a rather narrow point of view to take from an artistic standpoint.

 

[jonathancrane]

Also, Arkham Unhinged confirmed that Gordon had Joker's body cremated, which makes Laz-Pit use kinda impossible, unless the ashes are tossed inside...

 

[Tron Bonne]

Also, Arkham Unhinged confirmed that Gordon had Joker's body cremated, which makes Laz-Pit use kinda impossible, unless the ashes are tossed inside...

Wasn't really Joker's body.

Explained away in less than five words.

 

[jmc]

Different types of stories lend to different types of storytelling. There really isn't some broad ''truth'' that applies to every type of story or genre. That's a rather narrow point of view to take from an artistic standpoint.

You're making excuses due to the medium, saying that just because it's comics means we shouldn't care that this stuff happens all the time, bad story telling is bad story telling no matter what medium it is. We shouldn't have to just accept it, we should demand better.

 

[Rincewind]

This kind of stuff is cool to say, until we realize we're talking about stories in which a whiny orphan decides to run around in Bat themed pajamas fighting clowns and other similarly stupid things. I mean, really, who gives a ****? I don't want them to bring back Joker because he died, I don't want them to because I am just so ****ing tired of them using him: dead, alive or in-between.

Well, I give a ****. It doesn't matter that it's a story about a whiny orphan in bat pajamas fighting a clown. In this case the particulars of the story are not important. It's a matter of taking the art of storytelling seriously in and of itself. Characters "dying" instead of dying is only one of the problems (and not even the biggest one) modern comics have in regards to their capability to do good storytelling.

 

[jmc]

Well, I give a ****. It doesn't matter that it's a story about a whiny orphan in bat pajamas fighting a clown. In this case the particulars of the story are not important. It's a matter of taking the art of storytelling seriously in and of itself. Characters "dying" instead of dying is only one of the problems (and not even the biggest one) modern comics have in regards to their capability to do good storytelling.

Exactly, it goes hand in hand with the boxed in nature of comics in the first place. The time has come that the serial nature of comics and continuity that characters are beholden to is done away with. Games like the Arkham series should be the example of what to do for characters in the future.