Batman Begins Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

[The Batman]

Iron Man is just better in every way. I can't even conceive of a way Begins is better.

I almost feel bad for you, because I can think of several.

The overall supporting cast, even with Katie Holmes, is better in Begins, the villains are better, the last act, as criticized as it is, is better Iron Man's more generic fightfest, and the way they present Batman's origin is better than how they present Iron Man's.

 

[Filmfreak]

Also character development, dialogues, score, cinematography.

 

[titansupes]

Obviously BB.

 

[jolldan]

I have always wanted to say this to a doc simply because of this movie lol

 

[Gothamsknight]

I almost feel bad for you, because I can think of several.

The overall supporting cast, even with Katie Holmes, is better in Begins, the villains are better, the last act, as criticized as it is, is better Iron Man's more generic fightfest, and the way they present Batman's origin is better than how they present Iron Man's.

Agreed. Batman Begins is a vastly superior film to Iron Man in pretty much every way. Easily the greatest origin story ever, if you ask me.

 

[TheGuy]

I prefer First Class because of the insanely good acting, visuals and a story that really condenses and seamlessly unites the multiple subplots established early in the film. Aside from Logan, it perfectly captures the minority aspect of the X-Men franchise that no other has. When the US and SU were launching their missiles towards the mutants you can really feel that they were a threat to humans because of their innate powers Xavier and Shaw's actions. Begins remains one of the most influential CBMs and rightly deserves its place among its place but the first and second half still feel like two different films. I'm saying these as a hardcore Batman fan. TDK and TDKR are 10s for me BTW.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I almost feel bad for you, because I can think of several.

Oh? That sounds interesting.

The overall supporting cast, even with Katie Holmes, is better in Begins

Too bad most of them are wasted. Legendary actors being given crumbs of Goyer's insulting dialogue.

the villains are better

They are about the same. Solid. I don't care which spectrum of solid they are.

the last act, as criticized as it is, is better Iron Man's more generic fightfest

Heh. You are right, in a perverse way. BB is less generic because its hackjob editing refuses to let one enjoy the action unfolding is notable.

I almost feel bad for you when I think of you having to endure that.

the way they present Batman's origin is better than how they present Iron Man's

A meaningless statement without further elaboration. How and why?

Also character development

Yes. I especially loved when Bruce stopped growing at the halfway mark. Expert screenplay, that one.

dialogues

In terms of stating the themes of the movie in contrived monologues? True.

 

[The Batman]

Too bad most of them are wasted. Legendary actors being given crumbs of Goyer's insulting dialogue.

The supporting cast of Iron Man is the definition of wasted. That entire trilogy is RDJ devouring the scenery and not leaving much for anyone else. Luckily, he happens to be great.

They are about the same.

Nah, BB is better in that regard.

I almost feel bad for you when I think of you having to endure that.

I'm not "Enduring" anything. It may be torture for you, its not for me.

 

[The Joker]

I don't think Iron Man's MCU arc was all that amazing tbh. After Iron Man 3 he basically just kept repeating the same redemption arc. He was prepared to sacrifice his life in the first Avengers, he just happened to survive. Then he finally goes through with it in Endgame. A bunch of things and mistakes happen in between, but he kind of hit his growth ceiling early in the franchise.

I think Bruce's arc in the trilogy culminating in him choosing to live is way more bold and inspiring, and I respect the fact that it was done in 3 films rather than dragged out way past the point of exhaustion.

The first Iron Man is definitely great, but I think Begins is more emotionally powerful and that might just come down to the nature of Batman as a character. Like there is just no moment in the first Iron Man that can rival the goosebumps-worthy moments like the bats swarming Bruce in the cave or "...and you'll never have to". It's just a matter of taste, but personally those moments are why I love the genre and Begins delivers those in spades. It's definitely got flaws, but I think it's got a bigger heart.

I also think Raimi's first Spider-Man gets slept on a lot in this conversation. It's definitely arguable that neither Begins or Iron Man would even exist without it being such a huge success.

Bravo. Well said.

I almost feel bad for you, because I can think of several.

The overall supporting cast, even with Katie Holmes, is better in Begins, the villains are better, the last act, as criticized as it is, is better Iron Man's more generic fightfest, and the way they present Batman's origin is better than how they present Iron Man's.

The ironic thing is Favreau was inspired by Begins. He wanted his IM movie to be of Nolan's quality;

Did you have a vision of the movie in your head?
‘Christopher Nolan’s “Batman Begins” set the bar very high for the superhero movie, as it showed that you could get a great cast for these movies and take a real filmmaker’s perspective. There were some other superhero movies, the titles of which I don’t want to mention, that were making a lot of money and which I thought were trash. I didn’t want to end up making one of those types of movies, I wanted to make a movie like Christopher’s.’

Jon Favreau: Interview - Time Out Film

Props to Favreau for recognizing top quality, even though his IM movie didn't reach the heights of BB.

 

[Slade W]

I really liked how at the start of the movie they have Bruce leaving the theatre because of his fear of bats, but at the end, they have him using bats to escape the police in Arkham, showing how he had truly learned to master his fear.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I really liked how at the start of the movie they have Bruce leaving the theatre because of his fear of bats, but at the end, they have him using bats to escape the police in Arkham, showing how he had truly learned to master his fear.

Absolutely.


Honestly, one of my fave scenes in the film is having the film being with Bruce traveling the world. it was such a different thing to see in the films and it really made us so invested in bruces journey. Batman Begins is such a brilliant film because it takes its time developing bruces journey, and everything just flows so damn well. I can watch that film on repeat over and over again.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

The supporting cast of Iron Man is the definition of wasted. That entire trilogy is RDJ devouring the scenery and not leaving much for anyone else. Luckily, he happens to be great.

At least someone is great. Bale on the other hand is the opposite. He drags everybody down with his lifeless performance.

Nah, BB is better in that regard.

Do you have anything of substance to say other than "no u"?

I'm not "Enduring" anything. It may be torture for you, its not for me.

A glutton for punishment? A bit of Bad Directing SM doesn't hurt anyone. Very well.

 

[The Batman]

At least someone is great. Bale on the other hand is the opposite. He drags everybody down with his lifeless performance.

Oh, I see you're trying to deflect from IM's supporting cast being wasted by trying to trash Bale. Interesting.

Do you have anything of substance to say other than "no u"?

You have to understand....I'm only as good as the person I'm responding to. If I'm responding to a try hard contrarian offering meaningless hot takes, then I'll probably end up phoning it in and offer no substance remarks like "no u".

A glutton for punishment? A bit of Bad Directing SM doesn't hurt anyone. Very well.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You expect me to put in effort when I see stuff like this? LOL.

 

[The Joker]

Take some friendly advice, Bats, and just ignore that poster. You're getting nothing from that 'discussion' but puerile sarcasm and empty "it sucks" type comments. You're not going to get anything worth responding to.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

You have to understand....I'm only as good as the person I'm responding to. If I'm responding to a try hard contrarian offering meaningless hot takes, then I'll probably end up phoning it in and offer no substance remarks like "no u".

Lmao. Then you should've phoned in all the points. Rather than this one specifically. But I guess you have no counterpoints. Since I am so generous tho, I will let you think you left on a high.

 

[The Batman]

ANYWAY....

I also think Raimi's first Spider-Man gets slept on a lot in this conversation. It's definitely arguable that neither Begins or Iron Man would even exist without it being such a huge success.

I don't think we get BB or IM at all without the success of the first Spider-Man. Its still one of the better origin films, definitely better than the likes of The First Avenger.

 

[Captain Tired]

I think Superman the Movie has its pipped to the post, tbh, but Begins is certainly not far behind.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Still is, will always be, Superman the Movie, for me.

 

[AntonGobbs89]

Still is, will always be, Superman the Movie, for me.

I don’t even think Begins would be the movie that it is without Superman: The Movie. Nolan was very upfront about being inspired by that film while making Begins.

 

[BatLobster]

Someone clearly doesn't think so.

Batman Rewatch: How did we ever take 'Batman Begins' seriously?

But also,

 

[JackWhite]

Begins was such a revelation when it came out. It's the first Batman movie where I really cared about Bruce Wayne first.

 

[Rick190293]

Someone clearly doesn't think so.

Batman Rewatch: How did we ever take 'Batman Begins' seriously?

But also,

He's definitely not fine.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Someone clearly doesn't think so.

Batman Rewatch: How did we ever take 'Batman Begins' seriously?

But also,

I honestly couldn't even finish the article. what a load of BS.

 

[Awest66]

I honestly couldn't even finish the article. what a load of BS.

What's also BS is this stupid notion I've seen go round lately that Bale's Batman has "murdered more people than Keaton or Affleck".

 

[Herofan]

Someone clearly doesn't think so.

Batman Rewatch: How did we ever take 'Batman Begins' seriously?

He seems to not like to take anything seriously, to enjoy trying to poke holes through most stuff. Neeson's Ra's did make the too much corruption, must be destroyed at least convincing enough and both Thomas and Bruce being noble, as well as Bruce a great fighter, is pretty much core to the characters, don't see how that would be offputting or unbelievable. And sure the focus on the great father is clear and heavy but so is a lot of other entertainment then and still now.

B89 and BF mentioned the killing of the parents but really weren't origin stories, MotP was about the origin but animated/little released and even in it it is kind of a subplot, BB as origin story was quite novel and effective as origin story.