BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - Part 14

[WilliamK99]

I can't believe I live in a time where a Batman or Superman movie makes less than a R-rated Deadpool. I can't wrap my head around it.

There is no way to spin this, none, any BvS defender left has to realize that a good BvS movie should have and would have outgrossed an R rated Deadpool movie... The fact that is got beaten by Deadpool should be proof enough this movie is a failure if you look at the big picture...

 

[Poni_Boy]

I hope WB wraps their heads around it, and it gives them the wake up call they need about their franchise.

No, they'll see it and go "I know what to do! All our movies need uber sex and violence and R ratings! That's it!"

Side note: Hoo-freaking-ray for Ryan Reynolds. That's some GL redemption right there

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Didn't BVS also open on alot more screens at once?

 

[Poni_Boy]

I did talk about the numbers. There they are. Ignore them and twist them all you want, since you so desperately want to present this movie as a failure. But the actual numbers and the actions of WB prove otherwise.

It is a failure. It needs +$800 Million to break even. Break even.

Break. Even.

Estimated gross was over $1.1 billion for a decent profit. Which it won't get. Ever. Ever ever.

+ B Cinemascore

+ 29% Rotten on RT

Failure in every sense of the word. This is Fantastic Four level bad. Or worse, considering what BvS was supposed to do. Savvy?

 

[WilliamK99]

Didn't BVS also open on alot more screens at once?

Yes, one of the widest releases ever... The movie was always going to have a great opening weekend due to the critic embargo and the slick move WB did by allowing super fans and "plants" to release glowing reviews of the movie but forcing critics to wait until majority of pre sale tickets had been purchased...

 

[flickchick85]

Thanks for that.

Some people just hate this version of Superman and Batman and just want so bad for it to fail, and grasp at straws trying to twist its massive success to look like failures. It had the largest opening weekend of any superhero movie ever, far exceeding even the most optimistic predictions, and has already made more than most other superhero movies in their total runs.

Oh but try to grab some rumor from the internet talking about how it needs to make more than the GDP of Japan to be successful. Let's just ignore that that's just an internet rumor that WB has discredited. At the end of the day a huge TON of people went to see this movie, more than most other superhero movies, and WB is fast-tracking their future DC movies and even adding more to the schedule. Things are just fine for the DCEU.

Nonsense. The numbers are what's discussed in this thread, and all the numbers except the very skewed one you chose to present, suggest this film is not nearly the success it should have been and was expected to be. The numbers suggest poor word-of-mouth via a lack of repeat business. The only straw man argument here is yours.

And consider this your one warning: Leave the antagonizing talk about whatever you think other posters want to see out of this. You're not here to talk about others' opinions, you're here to discuss the box office.

 

[jmc]

I can't believe I live in a time where a Batman or Superman movie makes less than a R-rated Deadpool. I can't wrap my head around it.

The world is changing. The audience is changing. Deadpool became just as big as Superman within 12 months.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The world is changing. The audience is changing. Deadpool became just as big as Superman within 12 months.

And you know what? Good for Miller and Reynolds and Fox and everyone else involved. On that budget. With those restrictions. With no faith from the studio. Hit a grand slam home run out of the ballpark. Good for them. They deserve it.

 

[Perfect Cell]

And you know what? Good for Miller and Reynolds and Fox and everyone else involved. On that budget. With those restrictions. With no faith from the studio. Hit a grand slam home run out of the ballpark. Good for them. They deserve it.

I remember that rumour around the time of Deadpool's release, where it said the studio had cut about $8 million off the budget almost at the very end of production. Was that correct? Because that would be sprinkles and nuts.

 

[TheSuperBrando]

There is no way to spin this, none, any BvS defender left has to realize that a good BvS movie should have and would have outgrossed an R rated Deadpool movie... The fact that is got beaten by Deadpool should be proof enough this movie is a failure if you look at the big picture...

Or instead of taking your personal assumption as fact, we could consider other possibilities. Such as. . . maybe this movie always had an uphill battle to fight. Superman is the most recognizable character in the world, and people bring more preconceptions about that character than any other. Chris Reeve Superman fans are going to hate anything that isn't cheesy rainbows. Additionally, the Marvel movies, as great as they are, have set an expectation in our culture that superhero movies should be light action comedies, so anything outside of that, especially a movie with Superman in it, will offer plenty of witty clickbait article titles and fodder for bright unicorn fart Superman fans to troll the forums.

So maybe, just maybe, an attempt to please the cheesy boyscout fanboys would fail because Superman Returns proved a lot of people nowadays don't want that crap, and an attempt to do something more serious and modern would have an uphill battle because of the loud screaming sunshine fans and our current superhero movie climate.

But if it doesn't have the biggest box office of all time it's a failure? If another movie does better than it then it's a failure? So stupid.

 

[CrystalShaman]

I remember that rumour around the time of Deadpool's release, where it said the studio had cut about $8 million off the budget almost at the very end of production. Was that correct? Because that would be sprinkles and nuts.

Yep. http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-makers-of-deadpool-had-to-slash-7-million-from-the-1758147495

 

[Poni_Boy]

I remember that rumour around the time of Deadpool's release, where it said the studio had cut about $8 million off the budget almost at the very end of production. Was that correct? Because that would be sprinkles and nuts.

Yep. But they didn't just take it away they put it towards marketing. Still, sucks to have your production budget cut like that. In the end, worth it for the marketing campaign

 

[Poni_Boy]

Or instead of taking your personal assumption as fact, we could consider other possibilities. Such as. . . maybe this movie always had an uphill battle to fight.

False. Expectations were through the roof leading up to release. Everyone industry wise was projecting over $1.3 billion easy.

+ One of/if not the largest presale ticket rush in history

+ Record breaking social media trending

+ Record breaking youtube video watches

Try again

 

[TheSuperBrando]

It is a failure. It needs +$800 Million to break even. Break even.

Break. Even.

Estimated gross was over $1.1 billion for a decent profit. Which it won't get. Ever. Ever ever.

+ B Cinemascore

+ 29% Rotten on RT

Failure in every sense of the word. This is Fantastic Four level bad. Or worse, considering what BvS was supposed to do. Savvy?

To say ANY movie is a failure if it doesn't make over a billion dollars, which only a handful of movies EVER have made, is just ridiculous. BvS isn't a failure. It's made a ton of money and a ton of people have gone to see it. And that $800 million number is just an internet rumor trying to be presented as fact, one which WB has discredited. And

 

[WilliamK99]

False. Expectations were through the roof leading up to release. Everyone industry wise was projecting over $1.3 billion easy.

+ One of/if not the largest presale ticket rush in history

+ Record breaking social media trending

+ Record breaking youtube video watches

Try again

I still think WB execs knew very early this movie was a disaster, which is why PR for this film needs a raise, just getting them to 900 or so million is an impressive feat...

 

[Poni_Boy]

To say ANY movie is a failure if it doesn't make over a billion dollars, which only a handful of movies EVER have made, is just ridiculous. BvS isn't a failure. It's made a ton of money and a ton of people have gone to see it. And that $800 million number is just an internet rumor trying to be presented as fact, one which WB has discredited. And

Source? Link? I have a few:

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/movies/2016/03/24/82178582/

http://deadline.com/2016/04/batman-v-superman-box-office-second-weekend-gods-not-dead-2-1201729796/

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wb-batman-v-superman-faces-high-expectations-1201729887/

We use data here. Facts. It's a box office thread. Try to catch up we've been doing this every day going on three weeks now

 

[TheSuperBrando]

False. Expectations were through the roof leading up to release. Everyone industry wise was projecting over $1.3 billion easy.

+ One of/if not the largest presale ticket rush in history

+ Record breaking social media trending

+ Record breaking youtube video watches

Try again

Except you're wrong again. The most optimistic projection for opening weekend for BvS was $350 million. And that's taking into account the worldwide release. Then the movie busted past that with $424 million. There's an undeniable example of how BvS surpassed expectations. I don't know what "everyone in the industry" were saying about the total run, but saying that a movie is a failure if it doesn't make over a billion dollars is ridiculous.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Except you're wrong again. The most optimistic projection for opening weekend for BvS was $350 million. And that's taking into account the worldwide release. Then the movie busted past that with $424 million. There's an undeniable example of how BvS surpassed expectations. I don't know what "everyone in the industry" were saying about the total run, but saying that a movie is a failure if it doesn't make over a billion dollars is ridiculous.

False. WB's initial DOM OW expectation was $189. Then $180. Then $165-170. Then they LIED about it breaking the HP7 record with $170 mil opener in a press release, when the actuals came it it made $166.

Try again

 

[WilliamK99]

Except you're wrong again. The most optimistic projection for opening weekend for BvS was $350 million. And that's taking into account the worldwide release. Then the movie busted past that with $424 million. There's an undeniable example of how BvS surpassed expectations. I don't know what "everyone in the industry" were saying about the total run, but saying that a movie is a failure if it doesn't make over a billion dollars is ridiculous.

It's a failure because it dropped 70% first weekend, and 60% estimated for second, it's a failure for 29% RT rating, it's a failure for a B Cinescore, same score as Electra and Catwoman amongst others... It's a failure because future DCEU movies will suffer because of this horribel travesty...

And yes it is a failure because previous Batman solo movies made over a Billion, and many proclaimed in this very forum that BvS would destroy the box office...

 

[TheSuperBrando]

Source? Link? I have a few:

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/movies/2016/03/24/82178582/

http://deadline.com/2016/04/batman-v-superman-box-office-second-weekend-gods-not-dead-2-1201729796/

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wb-batman-v-superman-faces-high-expectations-1201729887/

We use data here. Facts. It's a box office thread. Try to catch up we've been doing this every day going on three weeks now

Your articles about this "data" and "facts" said

Studio insiders consider the $800 million figure inflated.

And also said even if the $800 million were true it's still being twisted out of context because it doesn't take into account bluray and licensing. That's your own article man. Your own evidence betrays your desperate twisting of facts because of your personal hate toward this movie.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Your articles about this "data" and "facts" said

Of COURSE WB people will say it's inflated NOW. They NEVER refuted that before. Did you miss the two pages on this thread from this afternoon where it was discussed? Educate yourself man. You're coming in here with silly claims and crapping on everyone for no reason. The movie was a failure. It SUCKS. We're ALL DC fans. We WANTED it to be a big win. It wasn't. It isn't.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's a failure because it dropped 70% first weekend, and 60% estimated for second, it's a failure for 29% RT rating, it's a failure for a B Cinescore, same score as Electra and Catwoman amongst others... It's a failure because future DCEU movies will suffer because of this horribel travesty...

And yes it is a failure because previous Batman solo movies made over a Billion, and many proclaimed in this very forum that BvS would destroy the box office...

Not to mention that MOS will garner a bigger profit for WB than BvS. Let that sink in for a sec. It's unbelievable

 

[TheSuperBrando]

Of COURSE WB people will say it's inflated NOW. They NEVER refuted that before. Did you miss the two pages on this thread from this afternoon where it was discussed? Educate yourself man. You're coming in here with silly claims and crapping on everyone for no reason. The movie was a failure. It SUCKS. We're ALL DC fans. We WANTED it to be a big win. It wasn't. It isn't.

Feel free to stick your head in the sand and dismiss facts that contradict your chosen view, but that quote came from Variety in the article you linked, before Batman v Superman was released, not from WB after the release. And rumors about which movie is a larger profit after costs are taken out are irrelevant to whether or not the movie itself, a creative endeavor, is to be considered a success or failure. The people have spoken, the numbers don't lie, BvS is making more than most other superhero movies. It's desperate trolling to call the movie a failure.

 

[WBwins]

Well Mos was a better movie

 

[Poni_Boy]

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