BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[Orba]

But they can't exactly spend less on a JL movie either.

True, but at the same time they can spend their money better with JL. With BvS WB let Snyder film enough footage for a cut of the film that is over twice as long as the film was ever going to be. That meant that Snyder spent weeks, maybe months, on footage that ended up on the editing room floor. The point of things like storyboards is to plan out things ahead of time so that they don't spend loads of time and money like that.

 

[Spiderine]

People really need to understand and I think most of us do by the way. If you don't build a solid successful foundation from the beginning for this so called "universe expanding" then how can one possibly be optimistic about the immediate future moving forward. You have established several characters that audiences appear to care very little about. Some of the casting thus far has been questionable.

We as fans will always see these films because thats who we are. They also need strong support from general audiences. Im a big fan of Bats/Supes and I only saw this film once. Had no interest to go see it twice. And it did nothing to excite me for the JL film. Total opposite of how I felt for Avengers in 2012. This is the predicament WB is faced with.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

People really need to understand and I think most of us do by the way. If you don't build a solid successful foundation from the beginning for this so called "universe expanding" then how can one possibly be optimistic about the immediate future moving forward. You have established several characters that audiences appear to care very little about. Some of the casting thus far has been questionable.

We as fans will always see these films because thats who we are. They also need strong support from general audiences. Im a big fan of Bats/Supes and I only saw this film once. Had no interest to go see it twice. And it did nothing to excite me for the JL film. Total opposite of how I felt for Avengers in 2012. This is the predicament WB is faced with.

I don't want to say it is over since JL is filming.
But...

It's over.

I'll see WW and Squad, but I cannot get hyped about Justice League right now.

WB got into the superhero universe game way too late, and they are giving it only mediocre effort.

 

[Reel-Man]

Sorry but i have an off-topic question. ConnorKon-El, which scene is that avatar from?

 

[Predator jp]

Sorry but i have an off-topic question. ConnorKon-El, which scene is that avatar from?

it's from Man of Steel

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[Chesterfield]

I don't want to say it is over since JL is filming.
But...

It's over.

I'll see WW and Squad, but I cannot get hyped about Justice League right now.

WB got into the superhero universe game way too late, and they are giving it only mediocre effort.

Exactly. It just comes off as a shallow cash grab, when they just cobble together a movie that's so badly made and completely ruins and wastes iconic characters that had a novelty factor going for it that would have elevated this movie to new heights. This was such an unprofessional effort that was supposed to leverage a cinematic universe and as of now, the hype, REAL hype for subsequent movies has taken a massive hit at least for me anyway. The only good thing to come out of WB/DC is the batfleck solo film.

 

[Reel-Man]

it's from Man of Steel

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Oh! No wonder i was confused and couldn't remember it being in BvS. Thanks! t:

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Exactly. It just comes off as a shallow cash grab, when they just cobble together a movie that's so badly made and completely ruins and wastes iconic characters that had a novelty factor going for it that would have elevated this movie to new heights. This was such an unprofessional effort that was supposed to leverage a cinematic universe and as of now, the hype, REAL hype for subsequent movies has taken a massive hit at least for me anyway. The only good thing to come out of WB/DC is the batfleck solo film.

And I say all this being a fan of MOS and BvS. I give both those films 7/10's
But the films we are getting should be of better quality. I want to be able to rave about these films and I can't.
Yes, visually these characters have never looked better. But the direction Snyder is taking some of these characters to isn't sitting well with me. Because of the end events of BvS, I don't understand how Cavill could have A LOT of screen time in JL. Half the film will be trying to bring his character back.
It's just, ugh.

I don't want these films to be fluffy and light like Marvel. But it seems like that tone is what people want.
JL needs to be lighter. If it is as serious as MOS was but with the character moments that Squad looks to have, I think we will be ok. Because while I like BvS, my god is it dark. It's so overly dark like Batman Returns was.

 

[hafizbat]

Not to go too off topic, but BvS really is a philosophical destruction of Batman and/or Superman

Sounds about right

 

[MadVillainy]

And I say all this being a fan of MOS and BvS. I give both those films 7/10's
But the films we are getting should be of better quality. I want to be able to rave about these films and I can't.
Yes, visually these characters have never looked better. But the direction Snyder is taking some of these characters to isn't sitting well with me. Because of the end events of BvS, I don't understand how Cavill could have A LOT of screen time in JL. Half the film will be trying to bring his character back.
It's just, ugh.

I don't want these films to be fluffy and light like Marvel. But it seems like that tone is what people want.
JL needs to be lighter. If it is as serious as MOS was but with the character moments that Squad looks to have, I think we will be ok. Because while I like BvS, my god is it dark. It's so overly dark like Batman Returns was.

Don't think that's true.
People are really excited for SS which seems to have a dark tone. People don't just want a really grim movie. There's a difference between dark and grim. Just because people don't want grim means they want "light and fluffy"

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Don't think that's true.
People are really excited for SS which seems to have a dark tone. People don't just want a really grim movie. There's a difference between dark and grim. Just because people don't want grim means they want "light and fluffy"

The film does seem that, but what has WB been doing? Marketing towards the film's humor because they know the humor is what sold the last trailer in Jan so well.

 

[DieSmiling]

I don't get the "lack of effort" or "shameless cash grab" comments. It's pretty clear to me WB went all out and swung for the fences with BvS. They wanted it to be a massive, well received hit. They just didn't succeed. But there's nothing about BvS that screams cheap or uninspired like say, Fox's treatment of F4.

The returns are unquestionably disappointing but I'm not as down on the prospects for Justice League as some are. It's difficult to build off a movie with bad buzz, but it can definitely be done -- I do think it's a mistake not to push back JL and continue to build up the solo films, but that's been part of WB's flawed strategy from the beginning.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I don't get the "lack of effort" or "shameless cash grab" comments. It's pretty clear to me WB went all out and swung for the fences with BvS. They wanted it to be a massive, well received hit. They just didn't succeed. But there's nothing about BvS that screams cheap or uninspired like say, Fox's treatment of F4.

The returns are unquestionably disappointing but I'm not as down on the prospects for Justice League as some are. It's difficult to build off a movie with bad buzz, but it can definitely be done -- I do think it's a mistake not to push back JL and continue to build up the solo films, but that's been part of WB's flawed strategy from the beginning.

Of course. But a final gross of $870-900 is not shabby at all. It just should have and could have done more.

 

[kedrell]

It was up about 75% last weekend so that doesn't sound out of the question to me. If last Sunday's decrease is about the same, it's slated for under 9M. I think JB is on an upward trend and I suspect BvS numbers for Sunday will be a little bit weaker than last week's. So far down 10% from last week on Friday and 5+% from last Saturday.

Yeah but last week AoU's comparable Saturday increase was also in the 70% range so there was some parity there. This weekend there ain't none of that and that just looks a might bit suspicious to me. When BvS develops insta-legs(with no discernible reason) for a brief moment when it'll serve WB's interests I take that with a big grain of salt. Like the WB execs who hand out these estimates really wanted to keep the additional story of Zootopia actually passing BvS is the weekend grosses out of the headlines for a bit longer. And maybe BvS actually manages to remain above Zootopia this weekend. As close as they are, it surely won't remain that way next weekend.

 

[DieSmiling]

Of course. But a final gross of $870-900 is not shabby at all. It just should have and could have done more.

Agreed -- I think those calling the film a "failure" are clearly agenda driven. But I also think we can all agree given the opening that had people liked the movie more it would have hit $1b which is clearly the benchmark WB was hoping to hit.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Lol still with the "agenda" crap? Some people are just ridiculous.

The goal of a blockbuster film is to turn a substantial profit on its investment (hence the TERM blockbuster). If a film doesn't turn a substantial profit it failed in its goal. End of. Cry "but but but but I loooooooved it" until your head explodes doesn't change the reality of the situation. BvS is a failure on literally every level.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I believe I said it would limp along to $900m. Still seems plausible to me. Is this now impossible?

If it does it will be on the strength of OS sales. But I don't think it's got another $70 million in the tank. Maybe $50 million if everything aligns, but given how consistently BvS has disappointed at the BO I wouldn't count on anything past $30 million or so.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I might be in denial but I still think BvS will cross 1 billion.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I might be in denial but I still think BvS will cross 1 billion.

You are.

 

[Spiderine]

I might be in denial but I still think BvS will cross 1 billion.

Maybe with several re-releases. Maybe........

 

[Spiderine]

Personally I thought this film would make a billion easy. At the very least one lousy dollar over. I can't imagine one person in that WB boardroom not thinking that wasn't gonna happen and Im willing to bet they had higher expectations than I did.

This is the same with Sony and their ASM2 expectations. That film was supposed to launch a Spideyverse by the way.

 

[Jekecy]

Of course. But a final gross of $870-900 is not shabby at all. It just should have and could have done more.

I think it speaks more to the ludicrous spending that even a high number can draw scoffs and dismissals.

It's one thing to spend so much in the first place, it's another when it doesn't even look like the film used it wisely. Transformers are 1/3rd's cheaper yet look far more massive in scale and action.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

You are.

Maybe with several re-releases. Maybe........

I ghouls have NEVER guessed this a year ago...

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well, Bay's singular gift is scale. Watch the YouTube video "what is bayhem?" for further understanding.

 

[Orba]

Since this is the Box Office thread.

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BATMAN V SUPERMAN just can't find its footing--falling 61% in its 4th weekend w/ $9M, $311M total.