BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[SomeOldGuy]

TJB is possibly going as high as $100m this weekend. It's another hit for Disney who you'd think would be getting kinda bored with winning at this point.

Jinx! yeah c'mon Disney give the other studios a chance!

 

[kedrell]

That is both sad and hilarious. Imagine if Deadpool had opened in China; its WW BO may have been more than BvS, too.

Yeah, unquestionably. Though one has to wonder how the humor would have worked out in that case as humor is not easy to translate unlike action which is why non-English speaking audiences crave American action films as they translate very easily by comparison and comedies don't fare as well OS.

 

[InCali]

If that holds true then Zootopia is actually going to beat BvS DOM and that only opened with $75m vs BvS's $166m....almost a hundred million less! If ANYONE was still around who doubted the power or critical appraisal or WOM this should shut their yap...but good!

I don't think there's any doubt that Zootopia will beat out BvS WW and it's going to be VERY close DOM. I see Zootopia passing BvS dailies very soon.

 

[Decepticonus]

$800m worldwide a disappointment? That sounds like the epitome of first world problems.

 

[kedrell]

Jinx! yeah c'mon Disney give the other studios a chance!

Well you need other studios to actually BE COMPETITIVE in order for some enjoyment to be had in pitting them against each other. One sided victories where you just have complete dominance by 1 studio isn't as fun to watch.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

That is both sad and hilarious. Imagine if Deadpool had opened in China; its WW BO may have been more than BvS, too.

Deadpool didn't have 3D either. If it had both China and 3D it likely would be north of $900 million WW.

 

[InCali]

Yeah, unquestionably. Though one has to wonder how the humor would have worked out in that case as humor is not easy to translate unlike action which is why non-English speaking audiences crave American action films as they translate very easily by comparison and comedies don't fare as well OS.

Ugh....like Crapformers....ugh.....

 

[kedrell]

^That would be the preeminent example of this phenomenon, yes.

 

[InCali]

$800m worldwide a disappointment? That sounds like the epitome of first world problems.

When people were thinking 1B easily, some were talking about 1.5B and you pour the kind of money into a movie that WB did, yeah.....it's a disappointment.

Honestly, are you telling me you didn't think a minimum 1B a month before it opened? I know WB was thinking that when they funded the project because they wouldn't have put the kind of money they did into it if they weren't.

 

[Decepticonus]

When people were thinking 1B easily, some were talking about 1.5B and you pour the kind of money into a movie that WB did, yeah.....it's a disappointment.

Honestly, are you telling me you didn't think a minimum 1B a month before it opened? I know WB was thinking that when they funded the project because they wouldn't have put the kind of money they did into it if they weren't.

I predicted $1b yes, but this entire arguing of "oh, what a epic failure" it is, "woe is us we are now such losers and failures at life" is appalling. It reminds me of the people who credited Force Awakens as a failure, all because it didn't over-take Avatar, because you know $2 billion is the equivalent of your child growing up to be a crack head apparently. In the end, it's just a movie. It made money, it's not like WB has to go live on the streets now.

 

[warcam]

Well you need other studios to actually BE COMPETITIVE in order for some enjoyment to be had in pitting them against each other. One sided victories where you just have complete dominance by 1 studio isn't as fun to watch.

Of course Universal had a pretty good year last year, too.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

$800m worldwide a disappointment? That sounds like the epitome of first world problems.

By any reasonable measure $800 million ought to be a great result, but "reasonable" appears to have gone out the window regarding BvS' budget. The simple fact that there's 30 minutes of finished footage that can easily be added to the director's cut, not to mention talk of 4-hour and even 6-hour cuts suggests that there was an awful lot of money spent that never made it to screen.

I read a piece on io9 about a week ago on JB and Favreau was talking about all the storyboarding they did up up front and how Disney had committed to a robust pre-production process because of the expense of actually shooting and animating the scenes. The goal was to get the movie down pat first and leave nothing on the cutting room floor. Bottom line (no pun intended), WB has to do a better job of managing its investment.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

What are the latest numbers? Any chance at all it crosses 1 bil?

 

[kguillou]

I predicted $1b yes, but this entire arguing of "oh, what a epic failure" it is, "woe is us we are now such losers and failures at life" is appalling. It reminds me of the people who credited Force Awakens as a failure, all because it didn't over-take Avatar, because you know $2 billion is the equivalent of your child growing up to be a crack head apparently. In the end, it's just a movie. It made money, it's not like WB has to go live on the streets now.

It's all relative though, dude. If the production budget for this film had not been more than $200 million then yes, an $800 million box office is a tremendous success. But the budget for this movie was so damn high that it's box office NEEDED to be ridiculously high for the studio to get its investment back. That's all.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

What are the latest numbers? Any chance at all it crosses 1 bil?

Numbers here: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=superman2015.htm

No chance of $1 billion.

 

[Logan0327]

sad part is BVS had 3 weekends to itself before jungle book it should of hit 800 million WW a good 5-7 days before it did and not lose a weekend to the boss lol

 

[noakai]

My concern is that because of BvS, SS now starts off it's lifespan in theaters in a hole which isn't fair to the movie. But fair or not, it is how it is. Such are the rules of the expanded universe franchise model. It IS a sequel to BvS at the same time being(I'm sure hopefully as far as the filmmakers are concerned) a kickoff to it's own sub-franchise. It now starts off with a negative mark against it before it's even had a chance to show all it can be. Unfortunate, but thems da breaks.

Yep, there is a lot of pressure on that movie, and on Wonder Woman too. I'm glad WW's release date got shifted so it's not going against Transformers anymore. But if those movies don't do well even though they're by different directors, it will start to look like the entire universe has a problem. But I've see a lot of good buzz for both of those, so I'm not too worried.

 

[InCali]

I predicted $1b yes, but this entire arguing of "oh, what a epic failure" it is, "woe is us we are now such losers and failures at life" is appalling. It reminds me of the people who credited Force Awakens as a failure, all because it didn't over-take Avatar, because you know $2 billion is the equivalent of your child growing up to be a crack head apparently. In the end, it's just a movie. It made money, it's not like WB has to go live on the streets now.

Whoa, whoa, whoa....don't change the rules in midstream. First you start out with disappointment and then you go to epic failure. I said it was a disappointment and never said it was an epic failure. John Carter was an epic failure (Disney as I recall and I rather like JC) and FFINO was an epic failure. BvS was a disappointment.

As far as it making money, maybe it will and maybe it won't be enough to satisfy the major shareholders at WB. I don't know. One thing I do know is that this movie was a PR fiasco and that doesn't bode well for JL (which sucks because I've really been looking forward to that movie). If BvS had made just a few bucks, but really set the stage for the taking off of the DCEU in the minds of the public, then fine, I can live with that. IMO, it did neither (and you're hearing from someone who rather liked the movie....of course I had a quite, quite large vodka and OJ which may have helped the entertainment value....an aide I highly recommend t: ).

 

[InCali]

Of course Universal had a pretty good year last year, too.

They sure did. No doubt about that. Outstanding.

 

[InCali]

What are the latest numbers? Any chance at all it crosses 1 bil?

1B???? Dude/tte, you're going to have to invite me over for breakfast sometime because I want what you had. My mimosa's looking pretty plain and stale right now....

It's not going to hit 900M and may not hit 850 (though there's a good chance it will).

 

[Decepticonus]

Well it can't be a disappointment in WB's eyes. JL is already shooting and Snyder is still on board. Yet, after Returns which made $267m on a $65m budget compared to the first film with a gross of $411m on a $48m budget they were quick to push Burton off.

 

[Clark-Kent]

That shouldn't be a surprise. Boxoffice.com is projecting a $95 million OW for JB. I wouldn't be surprised if it tops 100.

JB is also getting very good reviews. WOM is good. No doubt that's going to have some impact on BvS drop.

 

[InCali]

Well it can't be a disappointment in WB's eyes. JL is already shooting and Snyder is still on board. Yet, after Returns which made $267m on a $65m budget compared to the first film with a gross of $411m on a $48m budget they were quick to push Burton off.

I would beg to differ with you on that assessment; though I recognize that I could be wrong. BvS disappointed on 2 levels. First at the BO and secondly setting the stage for JL. Now, that being said, WB may be very, VERY happy with the JL script and feel that it's in Zack's wheelhouse. I'm not privy to such info, but from where I sit, BvS, while not an unmitigated disaster, did NOT accomplish what I felt were the 2 things it needed to accomplish. When you sink 100s and 100s and 100s of millions of dollars into a movie, investors expect a solid payoff; the kind I don't think BvS will provide.

There's a ton of pressure on WW to right the ship. I don't think SS can do that; though it can help some if it's really good.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I think doing over 800 million is the right figure where, they continue with JL. They reign Snyder in, and they try to make a more fun and joyful movie. I hope that won't mean they just let Jesse Eisenberg run around as comical Lex

 

[STARMAN]

Unless we're inside WB and have a look at the books we won't know WB's exact profit margin. But they definitely left a lot of money on the table. As a business you can't be happy with the additional money you failed to pocket and the time and money spent in such a huge investment that was supposed to help build the brand and not tarnish it.