BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[The Joker]

Well it can't be a disappointment in WB's eyes. JL is already shooting and Snyder is still on board. Yet, after Returns which made $267m on a $65m budget compared to the first film with a gross of $411m on a $48m budget they were quick to push Burton off.

Of course it can be disappointment in WB's eyes. Snyder and JL were all set to go before WB even saw the outcome to BvS. Which was really stupid of them. If they had been smart they'd have waited to see how their movie did before moving forward with JL. But they're in such a hurry to catch up to Marvel that they are not looking before they're leaping.

With regards to Tim Burton and Batman Returns, he wasn't removed because of the box office. He was removed because of the parental backlash against Returns. It brought a storm of negative publicity. McDonalds cancelled their Happy Meal tie in promotion. Faith Daniels of NBC did a piece called 'Parents against Batman Returns'; http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112453298_s01.do

That's why Burton was removed, and the whole franchise did a 180 from dark to campy. Not to mention Burton was not all set to direct another Batman movie mere weeks after Returns was released.

 

[InCali]

I think doing over 800 million is the right figure where, they continue with JL. They reign Snyder in, and they try to make a more fun and joyful movie. I hope that won't mean they just let Jesse Eisenberg run around as comical Lex

Unless we're inside WB and have a look at the books we won't know WB's exact profit margin. But they definitely left a lot of money on the table. As a business you can't be happy with the additional money you failed to pocket and the time and money spent in such a huge investment that was supposed to help build the brand and not tarnish it.

yes and yes.

I already gave my opinion of Jesse's Lex. I thought it was one of the weaker parts of the movie. For all the talk of Marvel having villains that are lacking (with some reason), compare Hiddleston's Loki to Jesse's Lex and if anyone thinks the latter holds a candle to the former, I will just disagree with you beforehand.

 

[Clark-Kent]

yes and yes.

I already gave my opinion of Jesse's Lex. I thought it was one of the weaker parts of the movie. For all the talk of Marvel having villains that are lacking (with some reason), compare Hiddleston's Loki to Jesse's Lex and if anyone thinks the latter holds a candle to the former, I will just disagree with you beforehand.

Quite true.

 

[noakai]

Well it can't be a disappointment in WB's eyes. JL is already shooting and Snyder is still on board. Yet, after Returns which made $267m on a $65m budget compared to the first film with a gross of $411m on a $48m budget they were quick to push Burton off.

JL was due to start filming literally like two weeks after the box office numbers started coming in. There was no way they could have shifted Snyder off unless they wanted delay the entire production when it was completely ready to go, dumping a ton of money in the process, and get someone in to probably rewrite it too, delaying it further. Then, they'd have to reschedule all the actors, some of whom already have projects lined up that they'd have to drop out of if they could even get them all again at the same time bc contracts are a thing, and possibly shift the release date to accommodate those new filming schedules. And there's no guarantee that replacing a director that close to filming won't make a bigger mess anyway, since movies that are rewritten or who have new directors brought on usually don't end too well.

Or maybe they're happy with his direction and doubling down, who knows. We probably won't until the press for JL actually starts and we see the movie.

 

[STARMAN]

SS and WW will have to succeed at the box office based on their own merits. They're not getting a financial boost from BvS.

 

[InCali]

JL was due to start filming literally like two weeks after the box office numbers started coming in. There was no way they could have shifted Snyder off unless they wanted delay the entire production when it was completely ready to go, dumping a ton of money in the process, and get someone in to probably rewrite it too, delaying it further. Then, they'd have to reschedule all the actors, some of whom already have projects lined up that they'd have to drop out of if they could even get them all again at the same time bc contracts are a thing, and possibly shift the release date to accommodate those new filming schedules. And there's no guarantee that replacing a director that close to filming won't make a bigger mess anyway, since movies that are rewritten or who have new directors brought on usually don't end too well.

Or maybe they're happy with his direction and doubling down, who knows. We probably won't until the press for JL actually starts and we see the movie.

Yeah, but you'd think WB would have known in advance what was going on with BvS and could have made some tweaks before the wave broke. Again, WB may be really happy with JL and the way things are falling, but, to me, it smells of bad planning and rushing the process by WB.

 

[InCali]

SS and WW will have to succeed at the box office based on their own merits. They're not getting a financial boost from BvS.

Right. They aren't going to get the IM3, TWS, and even Thor2 post Avengers bump. Different deal altogether.

 

[BatofGotham]

What film are you guys referring to when you say F7? All I can think of is Fast and Furious 7 but didn't that film do really well in the box office? Sorry I'm not a film junkie yet.

 

[superion]

Jinx! yeah c'mon Disney give the other studios a chance!

Disney may set some sort of record this year. Zootopia will likely make a billion WW and Jungle Book might do so as well. This is before they roll out their big films for the year Civil War, Finding Dory and Rogue One. They also have some wild cards in Dr. Strange, Moana and Alice through the Looking Glass that might be big hits.

Suicide Squad may not get a bump from BvS but if it is good it should do fine at the box office especially since it will be the last big movie of the summer and will have no competition.

 

[wobbly]

What film are you guys referring to when you say F7? All I can think of is Fast and Furious 7 but didn't that film do really well in the box office? Sorry I'm not a film junkie yet.

Fast Furious 7 it is. And F7 did far better overseas than BVS has. Will probably end better domestic too.

 

[InCali]

What film are you guys referring to when you say F7? All I can think of is Fast and Furious 7 but didn't that film do really well in the box office? Sorry I'm not a film junkie yet.

Yeah. That's Furious 7. It absolutely crushed it overseas and will do decidedly better than BvS DOM.

Welcome to the Animal Farm.

InCali (AKA slower on the draw than wobbly.....)

 

[Orba]

Yeah in China alone it made nearly $300M more than BvS is looking to end up with.

 

[Decepticonus]

JL was due to start filming literally like two weeks after the box office numbers started coming in. There was no way they could have shifted Snyder off unless they wanted delay the entire production when it was completely ready to go, dumping a ton of money in the process, and get someone in to probably rewrite it too, delaying it further. Then, they'd have to reschedule all the actors, some of whom already have projects lined up that they'd have to drop out of if they could even get them all again at the same time bc contracts are a thing, and possibly shift the release date to accommodate those new filming schedules. And there's no guarantee that replacing a director that close to filming won't make a bigger mess anyway, since movies that are rewritten or who have new directors brought on usually don't end too well.

Or maybe they're happy with his direction and doubling down, who knows. We probably won't until the press for JL actually starts and we see the movie.

I understand and agree with everything you said HOWEVER, it seems everyone else all the critics and haters who just hated this film and Snyder thought you could over-haul the script and get George Miller overnight to change all of this.

In the end, regardless it wasn't such a disappointment to WB in regards to change their minds.

 

[Orba]

Interesting that we are now probably looking at a sub 2x multiplier, if BvS had the same multiplier as MoS it would be looking at over $400M Dom.

 

[Decepticonus]

Of course it can be disappointment in WB's eyes. Snyder and JL were all set to go before WB even saw the outcome to BvS. Which was really stupid of them. If they had been smart they'd have waited to see how their movie did before moving forward with JL. But they're in such a hurry to catch up to Marvel that they are not looking before they're leaping.

With regards to Tim Burton and Batman Returns, he wasn't removed because of the box office. He was removed because of the parental backlash against Returns. It brought a storm of negative publicity. McDonalds cancelled their Happy Meal tie in promotion. Faith Daniels of NBC did a piece called 'Parents against Batman Returns'; http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112453298_s01.do

That's why Burton was removed, and the whole franchise did a 180 from dark to campy. Not to mention Burton was not all set to direct another Batman movie mere weeks after Returns was released.

Yes, yes I know about the backlash but again numbers don't lie. They threw more money at the sequel and it grossed less than the first film by roughly 65%. Sure, the parental backlash probably played role as well in the bad numbers, but to blame it on just that is stupid. Returns could have backlash but then WB looks at their account and see huge numbers, they could careless what the parents say.

 

[Kanon]

I use F7 for comparisons due to similarities in date and OW numbers, but at this point is clear that multipliers (reception) are very different, and at this point probably Spider-Man 3 or later weeks of IM3 (as people sugested) should be used (for what is worth, the BO life of this movie seems to be over)

Looks like it might finish right under 320M, even if it stays until the first days of June in theaters.

 

[InCali]

I understand and agree with everything you said HOWEVER, it seems everyone else all the critics and haters who just hated this film and Snyder thought you could over-haul the script and get George Miller overnight to change all of this.

In the end, regardless it wasn't such a disappointment to WB in regards to change their minds.

Huh???

Please rephrase. Maybe it's just me, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

What I think I can pull from your post is that I disagree that WB isn't disappointed with BvS. As someone pointed out, 100s of millions of dollars were left on the table AND, in the mind of the public, it did nothing to set the stage for JL. Why wouldn't WB be disappointed?

Maybe, in spite of this fiasco, they're cool with JL and maybe it'll do great, but that doesn't make BvS less of a disappointment.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, yes I know about the backlash but again numbers don't lie. They threw more money at the sequel and it grossed less than the first film by roughly 65%. Sure, the parental backlash probably played role as well in the bad numbers, but to blame it on just that is stupid. Returns could have backlash but then WB looks at their account and see huge numbers, they could careless what the parents say.

For a start sequels nearly always have bigger budgets than the original. That's a given. Second, sequels making less than the originals is old hat. Happens all the time, both in and out of the superhero genre.

WB most definitely care about what parents say when it affects publicity of the movie, gets negative TV exposure, affects tie in promotions etc;

https://books.google.ie/books?id=r9...onepage&q=tim burton too dark and odd&f=false

Or did you think it was coincidence that Returns got a backlash for being too dark, and the next Batman movie was the total opposite in tone to Returns? That isn't them caring what the parents were saying?

It's different with BvS, Snyder, and JL. Snyder was all set to direct JL before WB even saw any box office returns. It's too late to get him off it now.

 

[Eden]

Just putting it out there.. but MAYBE.. (and im not saying this because I wish for it to be true) that WB allow Snyder to put the wheels in motion and then pull an Ant-Man and remove him early on in the piece?

Letting production and everything else get rolling and pull a switcharoo and slide someone else in there?

 

[Bruce Malone]

SS and WW will have to succeed at the box office based on their own merits. They're not getting a financial boost from BvS.

SS seems distinct enough that it can survive (or fail) on its own merits. As for WW that film may not only not get a boost from BvS but it may suffer from some of the negative impressions from BvS?

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Will it beat Spider-man 3 worldwide sales?

 

[C. Lee]

A reminder to everyone...if you can't post civilly....then don't bother to post.

 

[Kanon]

Sequels making less than the original is ok when the original kills at the box office. Novelty factor, or something else, makes everything right for making buckloads of money and you can really expect the sequel make as much without those variables. This is not what happened, MoS numbers were ordinary, there was no high bar for BvS to reach and fail

 

[brandeezy89]

Just putting it out there.. but MAYBE.. (and im not saying this because I wish for it to be true) that WB allow Snyder to put the wheels in motion and then pull an Ant-Man and remove him early on in the piece?

Letting production and everything else get rolling and pull a switcharoo and slide someone else in there?

Doubt it, here's an article explaining why

What that boils down to is that fans who’d like to see the disappointment of BVS drive major changes to the planned DC Extended Universe should likely prepare themselves for further disappointment. “Big picture” upheavals currently being tossed around on social media, like Zack Snyder being dismissed from Justice League or Mad Max’s George Miller being drafted to take his place (because he almost made a Justice League movie once) are not in the cards. Yes, Marvel was able to segue from Edgar Wright directing Ant-Man to Peyton Reed picking up after the longtime Ant-Man writer/director/advocate left, but that was a lower-budget film and most audiences aren’t readily familiar with Edgar Wright. “Firing” a name director like Snyder from a huge project like Justice League would be an ugly trade story for months.

 

[Poni_Boy]

There's a term for a film that's poorly received critically, poorly received by audiences, has no legs and barely breaks even: dud. BvS is a dud. It sucks but it's true. No need to call people haters for stating the obvious and trying to understand why that is so.