BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - - Part 16

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I think it's worse than B&R in several ways, and much, much better in several others.

It has some great sequences and performances. B&R does not have those.

However, B&R was at least semi-coherent and wasn't an absolute snooze-fest.
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My sentiments exactly. As annoying and infuriating as B&R was, it was NOT pretentiously insisting it was the definitive version of the characters, the only one that made sense, or erroneously comparing how close it is to a fan-favourite seminal work. And then proving itself itself completely wrong on all counts.
Where B&R went wrong was in assuming people wanted Batman '66 on the big screen.

We need a talented screenwriter who understands the basis for the popularity of these characters.
We need a talented director who is a fan of these characters, preferably one that can not only look at pictures in a comic book, but comprehend the words, so he doesn't embarrass himself and WB every time he opens mouth to explain the history of the character and his own delusion of what happened in seminal works
And Zack can be the set dresser and direct the action sequences, under tight supervision of course.
 
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This is fanfic at it's finest. Or worst.
I found his original Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4h1r5p/

I don't want to ruin it, but as funny as some of his comments are, if this is an internet joke, it's the best one I've ever seen.
The punchline is his comment near the bottom. Look for the discussion with IamJack and make sure you start at the beginning...

The irony is, with BvS reception, WB are going to have to pay people to put the JL on their products. Or at least, lose a hell of a lot the money they got this time round.
 
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I'm still struggling with the idea that MoS had weighty themes.
Where were they? It skirted with potentially weighty themes, but then handled them so poorly they became jokes.
I would contend that when attempting to be serious and relevant, or "weighty", that losing sense thematically in a sea of pomposity, filling the sparse dialogue with far too many lines of turgid prose, making a laughable attempt to re-create a psuedo-scientific explanation of Kryptonian powers ("atmospherics"! Really?), that are not only contradicted, but utterly refuted in the very same movie, takes the potentially serious and turns it into the very definition of vapid self-parody.
Albeit unintentionally.

MOS dealt with the theme an immigrant who's trying to fit into a mistrustful society. That's much more reflective than a cliched heart-of-gold criminal failing to hold down a job.
 
I don't get it, man has been at the receiving end for years now. How he is unable to deal with slightest perceived criticism ?

Edit: It seems that fans who hated the move have moved from criticizing his work to personal criticism now.

We probably wouldn't be criticizing him personally if he would just stop sticking his foot in his mouth in every damned interview. He trashes on others during these interviews, he demonstrates how little he understands his own source material, and he demonstrates his belief that he's Stanley Kubrick.

I've never seen a guy this pretentious since I watched a Kanye West interview.
 
MOS dealt with the theme an immigrant who's trying to fit into a mistrustful society. That's much more reflective than a cliched heart-of-gold criminal failing to hold down a job.

In theory maybe, but MoS was so thinly written that it didn't matter.
I'm still struggling with the idea that MoS had weighty themes.
Where were they? It skirted with potentially weighty themes, but then handled them so poorly they became jokes.
I would contend that when attempting to be serious and relevant, or "weighty", that losing sense thematically in a sea of pomposity, filling the sparse dialogue with far too many lines of turgid prose, making a laughable attempt to re-create a psuedo-scientific explanation of Kryptonian powers ("atmospherics"! Really?), that are not only contradicted, but utterly refuted in the very same movie, takes the potentially serious and turns it into the very definition of vapid self-parody.
Albeit unintentionally.

Perfectly said.
 
MOS dealt with the theme an immigrant who's trying to fit into a mistrustful society. That's much more reflective than a cliched heart-of-gold criminal failing to hold down a job.

Seems like this back and forth comes down to this simple saying; "opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one".

I doubt either of you are going to change the others mind so how about we drop the pointless argument?
 
MOS dealt with the theme an immigrant who's trying to fit into a mistrustful society. That's much more reflective than a cliched heart-of-gold criminal failing to hold down a job.

How is it much more reflective? Please explain not just how you think that theme is more impactful and adult than an exploration of a man unjustly and harshly penalised for trying to do the right thing, who is trying to earn back the respect of his former friends and family, so that he can have a place in the life of his young daughter, but also illustrate how MoS explores and expounds this theme.
I'd love to have a deep discussion about this.
 
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I don't get it, man has been at the receiving end for years now. How he is unable to deal with slightest perceived criticism ?

Edit: It seems that fans who hated the move have moved from criticizing his work to personal criticism now.

Yeah, you might want to go and actually read my post that quote comes from.
It wasn't referencing Zack.
He seems uniquely immune to criticism of any kind.
If he'd had Doomsday killed by a magic laser rainbow and unicorns with Kryptonite horns shooting out of Batman's butt, he'd defend it by claiming it's right there in TDKR.
Although he has been more defensive lately, which has been entertaining.

If you're referring to M1ll3r posting a pic of Zack under the quote, well that was f#$ckin' hilarious, even if arguably not 100% accurate.

You sir, need to develop a sense of humour.
I pray you don't find my response to someone wondering what Zack thinks actual boy scouts are like (in reference to Zack stating his Superman is a realistic portrayal of what it would be like for a true boy scout super-hero in this cynical modern age), but here's a hint:
Tight and willing, after the initial struggle to get them in the van and once the drugs kick in?

Let the outrage begin, Bruce
 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-verdict-batman-v-889234

"Still, outside of Christopher Nolan's two Dark Knight movies, and Tim Burton's Batman films when you adjust for inflation, this is the highest-grossing property in DC's bullpen thus far. It tops Man of Steel by more than $200 million," says analyst Jeff Bock. "So yes, BvS successfully relaunched DC's cinematic universe, but they are nowhere near Disney/Marvel in terms of critical reception and box office prowess. One can only hope that bigger and better is still on the way."
 
Seems like this back and forth comes down to this simple saying; "opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one".

I doubt either of you are going to change the others mind so how about we drop the pointless argument?

You forgot the last part. "And they usually stink"
 
If you're referring to M1ll3r posting a pic of Zack under the quote, well that was f#$ckin' hilarious, even if arguably not 100% accurate.

You sir, need to develop a sense of humour.

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I'm still struggling with the idea that MoS had weighty themes.
Where were they? It skirted with potentially weighty themes, but then handled them so poorly they became jokes.
I would contend that when attempting to be serious and relevant, or "weighty", that losing sense thematically in a sea of pomposity, filling the sparse dialogue with far too many lines of turgid prose.

It has been my fortune (or misfortune, depending on your point of view) to teach film and cultural theory at various points in my career.

The absolute worst part of it was when students tried to apply themes, philosophies and ideologies to a movie that plainly did not set out to use them, or if it did, it did it very badly.

You don't know pain until someone tries to convince you that The Matrix Reloaded is in fact a searing indictment of Jean Baudrillard's notions of Simulacra and Simulation - and not just a poorly constructed and badly written sequel to a vastly superior movie.

And guess what? In every case I've come across like that the person making the argument has been a BIG FAN of the film in question, and hasn't applied any critical thinking to it whatsoever.

It's as if the mere ability to talk about a movie's themes in the same breath as a deep philosophical or cultural theory means that the movie is good. This is, of course, horse ****.
 
So essentially outside of TDK, TDKR, Batman and Batman Returns after inflation, BVS has made more at the box office than the following?

Man of Steel
Superman Returns
Catwoman
Green Lantern
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin

:huh:

It's not about the takings, it's about the profit. And even so, WB were expecting to be top three, I guarantee you.
 
Since when was an immigrant struggling to fit into a mistrusting society not itself a cliche?
 
Adjusted for inflation (Domestic), it actually ranks below:

The Dark Knight
Batman (1989)
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman: The Movie
Batman Forever
Batman Returns
Superman II

My, how sights have been lowered since February.

There's a massive amount of ret-conning going on around here.

If before March 25th you'd asked people if $870 million was a good haul for BvS, no-one would have agreed, and everyone would have further agreed that such a low amount would be a disaster and very unlikely to happen.
 
There's a massive amount of ret-conning going on around here.

If before March 25th you'd asked people if $870 million was a good haul for BvS, no-one would have agreed, and everyone would have further agreed that such a low amount would be a disaster and very unlikely to happen.

So true.
 
Adjusted for inflation (Domestic), it actually ranks below:

The Dark Knight
Batman (1989)
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman: The Movie
Batman Forever
Batman Returns
Superman II

My, how sights have been lowered since February.

Man, Batman has held it down at the BO.

The only Burton/Schumacher flick that wasn't a smash hit was B&R.
 
THR:
Box Office: The Verdict for 'Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice'
The tentpole is almost at the end of its run at the worldwide box office, where it's the No. 7 superhero movie of all time to date, not accounting for inflation; in North America, though, it won't catch up with 'Deadpool.'

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While the rumored-to-cost $450 million for shooting and marketing BvS fared better at the box office in terms of pure gross, it did the vast majority of its business in its opening weekend and crashed hard among a sea of bad critiques from both professional film critics and movie audiences alike.
 
I remember back when most were saying 950 mill was the floor for this and if it was below 900 mill then things must have went horribly wrong.
 
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