BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - - Part 16

[Joeyjojo72]

Toronto Canada. IMAX at Scotiabank Theatre. Largest IMAX screen in North America. 80 feet wide. One ticket is 24.99 before taxes. Popcorn usually a large with large drink and candy is 22$ Parking downtown is another 20.

That's Canadian dollars. About 20 bucks in USD.

 

[Creo]

I have never understood why people would go in wanting a movie to be bad or fail, competition in anything makes all products better. Could you imagine how much better the entire comic book movie genre would be if DC and marvel were releasing great movies twice a year and each studio was competing for actors, directors and writers. It would be better for every fan of either brand with both studios trying to one up each other.

It sucks that this movie didn't get the critical acclaim and box office I was wanting for but hopefully that means there will be a change and the next DC movies will be great and win audiences back.

I see this argument a lot, and in most cases I'd agree, but it's proven to not be true for a lot of movies. Transformers, Jurassic World, Fast and the Furious, and The Hunger Games all did well despite not having and movies in a similar vein. The MCU has been consistently putting out well received and largely profitable movies (outside of TIH) for virtually their entire run. Yes, they've had some competition, but it hasn't been anything major until DOFP. The MCU certainly didn't help Sony with Spider-Man, and it's not getting the DCEU much either. Now we have Civil War right around the corner, which is being reviewed extremely well already and has analysts predicting anywhere from $1-$2 billion, and it's the sequel to s a bunch of movies created during a time when the only real competition was Spider-Man.

It would be fantastic if D.C. can get their crap together and produce good movies. But will it help Marvel and the MCU? I don't really think so.

 

[Stark Bauer]

That's Canadian dollars. About 20 bucks in USD.

more like 10 lol

 

[FunkMiller]

I can't count how many times I said "this movie is a shoe-in for a billion". I didn't count on audiences and critics disliking it as much as they did. I thought Snyder would course correct from MoS, but alas.

Exactly the same here. Was convinced it would clear a billion, if not 1.3 / 1.4. How could it not? The two greatest comic book heroes on screen together?

Then I sat through two and a half hours of a joyless slog.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

$577k Tuesday. That puts it over the 320 mark domestically, $320.5 million.

I'm assuming this is where it's going to end. With Civil War opening this weekend and looking at how it's tracking (and all the reviews), it'd be pretty stupid business sense for any Cinema to keep this film going rather than just using the screen for Civil War too.

Exactly the same here. Was convinced it would clear a billion, if not 1.3 / 1.4. How could it not? The two greatest comic book heroes on screen together?

Then I sat through two and a half hours of a joyless slog.

Exactly the same here. It kinda bugs me when a lot of people keep defending the gross saying "People are just haters, 800 million is amazing for any film, WB are laughing all the way to the bank." There wasn't anybody that were expecting it to get this low (and certainly, I'd wager, nobody at WB).

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Just looked back to the start of the thread as I was curious what people were predicting.

Ah I remember those days well, when if a person didn't think this would be the greatest movie ever made they were called a troll/marvel fanboy and sent to the "Constructive Criticism" thread with all of the other interlopers.

 

[AndrewOz]

AND, I think the optimistic projection was within reach "IF" people/critics had felt it was a really good movie; as evidenced by the OW BO #s. Even low 80s on the meter and maybe a rating of 7.5+. I think "most" people really wanted to like it. Sure, there were some MCU folks who probably wanted it to fail, but, by and large, most people just want to go see a good movie.

I actually dared to dream after Goyer was booted that we'd get a strong, faithful portrayal of these characters and that the BO might challenge Avatar for #1 spot.
I don't believe anyone actually involved in MCCU would want it to fail. Failure is toxic and could dampen enthusiasm for all SH movies, not just DCEU or Snyders'.
Feige pretty much said this already.
Since CA:CW is seen by most as analogous, at least thematically, to BvS, that failure has clear potential to impact GA enthusiasm for the MCCU's next release.
Maybe some misanthropic one-eyed fanboys hope for failure, but they would have to be in the absolute minority.
As the OW shows, their was massive interest in this. How could there not be.
Just remember that people need a decent movie in between awesome shots as well.
I was afraid this would fail. Optimistic after Affleck and Terrio came aboard and Goyer was ousted, but it seems my fears were more realistic than my optimism.
I'm gutted at the result. Disappointed. Perplexed. Frustrated. A bit angry, but mostly just disappointed. Shia LeBeouf at Transformers (Rob Cantor should do a Zack Snyder song).
If JL performs like BvS without the OW, you'd have to think that's it for the DCEU.
Who'd invest their money there instead of the MCCU?
Maybe they'll finish what they had already started, but anything else?
I don't think so.
You'd have to be insanely optimistic or horribly naive to think BvS hasn't massively impacted JL's OW already, regardless of SS or WW success/reception.
They're different creative teams.
JL is the same one we had for BvS.
The conspiracy theorists who somehow believe the world is full of people who just refuse to do anything but hate this movie are deranged.
Who wants to hate a Batman/Superman movie? No-one. Maybe the level of fan outrage has them confused, but imagine if you saw a movie about your Mother, who you love (and is coincidentally named Martha), but the movie was not really about her at all, but got all of the superficial details correct, but portrayed doing things that were not only out of character, but denigrated her character. I think you'd be upset. Rightly so, if the defense people presented was no more cogent than "it's not your Mother, it's the director's revision and deconstruction, with an emphasis on an allegorical representation of and reaction to the cynicism of our modern world".
Bit of a stretch? Maybe. The reception would suggest not though.

 

[Jaxon]

The only thing that'll affect the JL box office is the WW movie and how good the JL movie is. Nothing else.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The highest grossing Marvel movie ever came out the same year a WB/DC movie cleared a billion. Only direct competition is harmful, which is why there was zero chance BvS and CA:CW were going to open the same weekend.

 

[TheScarecrow]

The only thing that'll affect the JL box office is the WW movie and how good the JL movie is. Nothing else.

So WW impacts it but BvS doesn't?



If anything WW will have less of an impact because it's an almost completely different creative team.

What the hell are they going to put in the trailer for JL?

"From the director and writer that ruined Batman and Superman's first on-screen team up, comes their second on screen team up"?

 

[InCali]

Toronto Canada. IMAX at Scotiabank Theatre. Largest IMAX screen in North America. 80 feet wide. One ticket is 24.99 before taxes. Popcorn usually a large with large drink and candy is 22$ Parking downtown is another 20.

It's got to be more than 80 feet wide. the Chinese theater in LA is about 95 or something. I know Toronto was the first theater to get the new IMAX digital projector and upgraded sound system. Isn't Toronto the IMAX Corp headquarters or something like that? I frelling LOVE Toronto. I was there for a convention, went to a baseball game, totally touristed out and went to dinner at that restaurant way up in some skyneedle type of building, and then went to Niagara Falls (The Canadian side is WAY better than the US side BTW). Toronto is frelling awesome.

Oh...BvS. I got my ticket at the Cinemark. They have killer early bird deals and I paid something like $11 for their XD (premium) showing. It's "fairly" comparable to IMAX as they use dual 4K Barco projectors, though I prefer the IMAX sound system to Auro 11:1. One of the Cinemark's has BOTH sound systems so I guess if something is mixed specifically for the Auro or something like that, I guess they'd use it.

Sorry for tech geeking out....I'm, well, a tech geek....

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Don't bother Scarecrow. He's had his fingers in his ears singing Mary Had a Little Lamb for weeks now. Reality/logic/recent history doesn't factor. Waste of time engaging with people like that.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Just looked back to the start of the thread as I was curious what people were predicting.

Ah I remember those days well, when if a person didn't think this would be the greatest movie ever made they were called a troll/marvel fanboy and sent to the "Constructive Criticism" thread with all of the other interlopers.

I always stated that JL was the film I'd expect the full billion figure out of. Just saying

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I still blame jokes for too high of expectations

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Nice call man. And at this point, if WB can make a billion from each JL movie, they'll probably take it. They'll be leAving a billion plus on the table, but maybe they figure it's cheaper and safer to go forward without any major retooling. Lowered expectations and all.

God help them if WW/Gadot are poorly recieved. Then what?

 

[MadVillainy]

Count me as one who thought this would crack a billion regardless of quality.

I'm actually very curious how JL will fare. I really can't call it.

Don't bother Scarecrow. He's had his fingers in his ears singing Mary Had a Little Lamb for weeks now. Reality/logic/recent history doesn't factor. Waste of time engaging with people like that.

It's actually becoming concerning how much this seems to be happening on this site.
I've never seen it like this

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Well to be fair, many were utterly shocked at the films reception. They were blindsided, and now they feel constantly besieged with negativity in a place that should be a place of safety and camaraderie and celebration with likeminded fans. They didn't get that, and they never will. It sucks.

And I also predicted it would hit a billion regardless. The Dom numbers were a bit lower than I expected, even after it was clear what the movie was. I still think it will end within striking distance of 900m. WB will do everything in its power to make this happen.

 

[STARMAN]

The drop-offs are what is devastating. Making 850 with strong weekly holds, positive WOM and good critical reception is far different than the way BvS accumulated 850.

 

[TheScarecrow]

The worst is treating those of us who are realistic about it as though we've been hoping for this.

I'm devastated by what BvS turned out to be in reality. Three years of my life wasted anticipating this and no hope for these great characters for the foreseeable future.

I think even the most ardent BvS "fan" will realise how poor a film it is in time.

It's suffering from Batman Forever syndrome (and it's a worse film than Batman Forever).

The drop-offs are what is devastating. Making 850 with strong weekly holds, positive WOM and good critical reception is far different than the way BvS accumulated 850.

Agreed. There's no promise for the future in BvS's box office. All it shows is how hard it will be for JL to make decent money. The opening will be less than BvS and if the movie doesn't knock it out of the park I don't see how it can make more than $700-$750m.

 

[MadVillainy]

I dont know about JL making less...

I really don't. I know there are examples of sequels to not well liked movies (Matrix Revolutions, Mockingjay Pt. 2) but part of me still thinks it could beat BvS opening. Don't know why.

But it's overrall total remains to be seen.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

My hope was that the film would make decent money - enough to keep the ball rolling - but under-perform enough to get the dufus director fired. Figured 850m was the sweet spot. Clearly I know nothing about the inner workings of WB. Oh well.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I dont know about JL making less...

I really don't. I know there are examples of sequels to not well liked movies (Matrix Revolutions, Mockingjay Pt. 2) but part of me still thinks it could beat BvS opening. Don't know why.

But it's overrall total remains to be seen.

All of those have much better reception than BvS.

If we take it from Cinemascore all of the "big" franchises featuring "bad" films were better received - Transformers, Pirates of the Carribean, Matrix, etc.

Audiences hated this movie, and its something everyone needs to grapple with and ask why. If JL is not drastically different, it will flop hard.

No point pretending otherwise.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I'm assuming this is where it's going to end. With Civil War opening this weekend and looking at how it's tracking (and all the reviews), it'd be pretty stupid business sense for any Cinema to keep this film going rather than just using the screen for Civil War too.

Well, we still have a week more to wait for CW over on this side of the pond, but it's likely to lose a lot more US screens this weekend even so. Mother's Day, Ratchet & Clank and Keanu are opening this weekend on a combined 8,000+ screens and those have to come from someplace. Anecdotally, my local Cinemark has no BvS showings listed beyond today so it appears to be dropping it.

Internationally, yeah, the opening of CW will probably bite hard into any remaining BvS showtimes and sales.

 

[The Joker]

Just looked back to the start of the thread as I was curious what people were predicting.

Ah I remember those days well, when if a person didn't think this would be the greatest movie ever made they were called a troll/marvel fanboy and sent to the "Constructive Criticism" thread with all of the other interlopers.

LOL @ the 2 billion predictions.

 

[FunkMiller]

The worst is treating those of us who are realistic about it as though we've been hoping for this.

I'm devastated by what BvS turned out to be in reality. Three years of my life wasted anticipating this and no hope for these great characters for the foreseeable future.

I think even the most ardent BvS "fan" will realise how poor a film it is in time.

It's suffering from Batman Forever syndrome (and it's a worse film than Batman Forever).

.

Phantom menace Syndrome, more accurately.

I too am absolutely gutted this movie turned out as badly as it did. I've been reading DC comics for 35 years. How could I not be?