BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - - Part 16

[Flint Marko]

Example: the Witch. I believe it has a C on cinemascore.

 

[kedrell]

Fight Club got a B-. Wolf of Wall St. got a C. Casino got a B-.

 

[kedrell]

Steel got a B. As did Elektra.

 

[BatofGotham]

I don't get why the User Reviews for Batman V Superman are generally positive on Metacritic (7.2) and IMDB (7.2).

Were the User Reviews done by DC fanboys?

 

[jmc]

User generate movie scores online are generally unreliable for big block buster movie because they can be skewed easily. Rabid fans will purposely over praise the movies just to prop up the score. I never pay any attention to online user ratings because they can be easily manipulated.

 

[Martha]

I'll never understand why people upvote a movie before they've even seen it. I used to think they were bots, but that doesn't make any sense because then competition could have bots downvote.

 

[kedrell]

I don't get why the User Reviews for Batman V Superman are generally positive on Metacritic (7.2) and IMDB (7.2).

Were the User Reviews done by DC fanboys?

I have never trusted Metacritic. It's too arbitrary. And user reviews are rarely ever helpful...on ANY site.

 

[kedrell]

I'll never understand why people upvote a movie before they've even seen it. I used to think they were bots, but that doesn't make any sense because then competition could have bots downvote.

No they're just a bunch of losers lacking in maturity who are sitting in their underwear in their parent's basement trying to use the internet to help their movie win...or succeed...or at the very least not come off as bad as it actually is. They are similar to the sports-fan-with-no-life. Pity them for their efforts avail them naught.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm not sure why a discussion over the Cinemascore, or any audience rating, is even still happening.

1. 27% on Rotten Tomatoes.
2. Horrific box office drop after front loaded OW.

It's blindingly obvious that neither critics nor GA liked this movie.

 

[GreenKToo]

BvS will be lucky to reach 335 mill dom. who woulda thought it.

(sigh) Short of announcing the rock, brad pitt, or jesus is in JL, how in the world can they get any excitement going for it? because we all know snyder isn't going anywhere and we know exactly what we're gonna get with it.

 

[dnno1]

I'm not sure why a discussion over the Cinemascore, or any audience rating, is even still happening.

1. 27% on Rotten Tomatoes.
2. Horrific box office drop after front loaded OW.

It's blindingly obvious that neither critics nor GA liked this movie.

Because, that Rotten Tomato score is proof that it is not a trUe measure of how good a movie is. The box iffice drop is less than the last Harry Potter film, and you should expect films to have huge drops after record opening weekends. That is not a metric for a bad film. Once again, BvS has made more than $850 million world wide and is the fifth highest grossing film domestically that the WB has ever released. That is far from a failure.

 

[warcam]

Because, that Rotten Tomato score is proof that it is not a trUe measure of how good a movie is. The box iffice drop is less than the last Harry Potter film, and you should expect films to have huge drops after record opening weekends. That is not a metric for a bad film. Once again, BvS has made more than $850 million world wide and is the fifth highest grossing film domestically that the WB has ever released. That is far from a failure.

Whatever gets you through the day.

 

[GreenKToo]

No, it's not a failure, not at all, but if anyone thinks WB wasn't expecting AT LEAST a billion is not being honest.
98.8% of people here were even saying that a billion would be on the low side of things.
IF it had of been as good for the GA as AV, JW etc etc was, then repeat viewings would have carried it will past a billion. It just wasn't there..

Can they fix things with JL? no idea, I would have thought things would have been fixed from MoS to BvS but what do I know.

 

[dnno1]

I like it when people bring up Cinemascore. The "grading on a curve" version of rating movies.

Batman vs. Superman got a "B". You know who else got a "B"? The first 2 Fantastic Four movies, Green Lantern, Catwoman and Elektra.

Cinemascore is an exit poll and a more accurate measure of how good or bad a film since it measures the actuall movie going public, not some biased film critic. Those films got a B grade because the opening weekend samples acually liked what they saw. Did you ever think about that? If they were trully bad they would have given it a grade below a C. Films like "Killing Them Softly", "The Devil Inside", "Wolf Creek", "Darkness", or "Solaris" are bad films.

 

[MadVillainy]

Killing Them Softly isn't a bad film.

So you're saying that Green Lantern, Catwoman and Elektra are good films? Cmon man. You know it's not that black and white and you're just trying to argue for argument's sake

 

[FunkMiller]

Cinemascore is an exit poll and a more accurate measure of how good or bad a film since it measures the actuall movie going public, not some biased film critic. Those films got a B grade because the opening weekend samples acually liked what they saw. Did you ever think about that? If they were trully bad they would have given it a grade below a C. Films like "Killing Them Softly", "The Devil Inside", "Wolf Creek", "Darkness", or "Solaris" are bad films.

Ah, so you agree that BvS is the same standard as Elektra, Catwoman and the first two Fantastic Four movies.

 

[FunkMiller]

Because, that Rotten Tomato score is proof that it is not a trUe measure of how good a movie is. The box iffice drop is less than the last Harry Potter film, and you should expect films to have huge drops after record opening weekends. That is not a metric for a bad film. Once again, BvS has made more than $850 million world wide and is the fifth highest grossing film domestically that the WB has ever released. That is far from a failure.

It ain't how much money you take, it's how much profit you make.

 

[GreenKToo]

All this would have needed was a halfway decent story, a different actor as Lex ( bryan cranston), get rid of the creepy Lex persona, juice up the dialogue between the main three a bit, and a billion would have been in the bag/bank.
How in the world do you NOT have a successful and loved film with these characters?

 

[AndrewOz]

Because, that Rotten Tomato score is proof that it is not a trUe measure of how good a movie is. The box iffice drop is less than the last Harry Potter film, and you should expect films to have huge drops after record opening weekends. That is not a metric for a bad film. Once again, BvS has made more than $850 million world wide and is the fifth highest grossing film domestically that the WB has ever released. That is far from a failure.

Failure is a relative thing. Critically, it's a massive failure.
Winning over the GA? Failed there too. It's box office run is almost completely dead in 5 weeks with no real competition.
Financially? It is if it hasn't broken even yet. It's one of the most expensive movies ever made. Before release, credible sources were predicting it to need $900-925 million to break even theatrically.
It made over half it's money (51%) on OW. Avatar's OW percentage, for comparison, is about 10%.
The 8th and final HP film dropped more the second weekend, but it didn't continue to drop as far and as hard as this. This movie has broken records in it's drop off.
As an example, between the first and 5th Fridays, there was 98.6% drop. That means for every 100 people who went opening night, 2 people went 4 weeks later. 4 weeks and it is almost dead at the box office. Week 3 it lost to a Melissa McCarthy movie. With an 18% RT score.
People would rather go to a terrible Melissa McCarthy movie than this, just after it opened.
Domestically, it won't beat Deadpool. Which cost 1/5th as much to make and probably a 10th to market.
It will see a modest profit once the money from DVD, merchandise and TV rights finally come in, but it is struggling at the BO.
Next week it will get direct competition...

Now on the face of it, 5th biggest WB and $850 million sound great, I know I'd love $850 million, but it is all relative.
The reception, critical and GA, plus it's record falls are not positive indicators for WB.
Add in the fact that apart from expecting Avengers money for this movie, it was supposed to pump the entire world up for the DCEU and the movies that are already made, under way or locked in.
It has mostly had the opposite effect.

WB immediately announcing their senior execs are taking a more hands on approach for the DCEU is not a sign of confidence.
That means they are in full on panic mode and cannot risk another clusterf#$k like BvS.
The Flash director is gone, citing "creative differences". Rumours are he's not going to be the last. JL PR is very quiet.
We've heard more about Ben's new Batman than the tentpole that's currently being shot.
WB will be all over Zack Snyder and reports are he's already unhappy about it.
Keep trying to put a positive spin on it, but this has been a disaster for WB.

 

[AndrewOz]

All this would have needed was a halfway decent story, a different actor as Lex ( bryan cranston), get rid of the creepy Lex persona, juice up the dialogue between the main three a bit, and a billion would have been in the bag/bank.
How in the world do you NOT have a successful and loved film with these characters?

Zack Snyder

 

[Mjölnir]

Cinemascore is an exit poll and a more accurate measure of how good or bad a film since it measures the actuall movie going public, not some biased film critic. Those films got a B grade because the opening weekend samples acually liked what they saw. Did you ever think about that? If they were trully bad they would have given it a grade below a C. Films like "Killing Them Softly", "The Devil Inside", "Wolf Creek", "Darkness", or "Solaris" are bad films.

The whole "biased critics" thing still makes me laugh. And you consider yourself unbiased I'm sure. t:

Not to mention that since CinemaScore polls people on the opening weekend, where it will be affected by that all the biggest fans of a franchise are out in full force.

 

[MadVillainy]

Guys we're not gonna get through to him.

I say we hang it up

 

[FunkMiller]

Guys we're not gonna get through to him.

I say we hang it up

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So Flash's director left and now it sounds like Aquaman's director is probably going to leave as well. One can only assume that is a direct reflection of the BO #'s from this film since everything I've read on the situation makes it seem like the studio no longer trusts any of their directors and are trying to force changes onto them. I bet WB is really kicking themselves for not scheduling shooting to start for JL a few more weeks after this opened.

Studio interference really worked well for SM3 and a few other Marvel movies that weren't in the MCU.

This movie has really caused the entire DCCU to come into question which really sucks. This movie should have done a billion easily and rocketed JL to the forefront of the countries collective mind.

As a Marvel fanboy I just feel really bad that DC fans have to go through the anxiety of not knowing if their collective universe is going to make it. That sucks.

 

[Tilapia]

We are getting a JL movie one way or another. But maybe it'll be a one parter instead of a two parter. All of the solo films are in jeopardy at this point, but that was going to be the case regardless. Everything is contingent upon JL scoring big.