BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

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So until yesterday, my anticipation was at "Avengers" level. Now it's down to "Fantastic 4"-reboot level. I guess I'll still head to the theater, but at this point, any hopes I had of being entertained are pretty much gone. :csad:
 
So until yesterday, my anticipation was at "Avengers" level. Now it's down to "Fantastic 4"-reboot level. I guess I'll still head to the theater, but at this point, any hopes I had of being entertained are pretty much gone. :csad:

Sorry to hear that. I want to comfort you, but it was really bad for me.

I really do hope you feel differently and think it's awesome though!
 
Oh it was a mediocre mess but I wouldn't say it wasn't enjoyable. One thing I noticed is that the critics have hugely overstated how dark, grim and dreary this film is. It felt no darker than The Dark Knight or TDKR.
 
So until yesterday, my anticipation was at "Avengers" level. Now it's down to "Fantastic 4"-reboot level. I guess I'll still head to the theater, but at this point, any hopes I had of being entertained are pretty much gone. :csad:

Don't get it twisted, it's still an entertaining flick.

Best way I've seen it put here is "A beautiful mess"
 
So until yesterday, my anticipation was at "Avengers" level. Now it's down to "Fantastic 4"-reboot level. I guess I'll still head to the theater, but at this point, any hopes I had of being entertained are pretty much gone. :csad:

Nah. At this point there's nowhere for you to go but up.
 
Just got out of IMAX in NYC. Pretty mixed on it at the moment. Felt like almost five movies at once with a real lack of focus on any of it. The cast is good for the most part. I'd rank Affleck as a solid number 3 on the film Batman list. Good but a little one note. The problems i have with Batman are entirely his characterization and the actions he takes. Superman really doesn't get much to do until 1 hr and 30 into the movie, and i hated Luthor. Good lord did i hate that interpretation. And is it wrong that i liked man of steel's action more, among other things. I feel like it tries to be intellectual and philosophical in its ideas but then drops them right after. I could go on more but I'm still trying to process everything.
 
Just saw it. Generous 6 out of 10.

The movie dragged quite a bit. Disappointed with the overall experience when you expect an epic brawl(s) and a setup for Justice League. It's quite deflating.

Pacing was horrid. Nothing truly eventful happens for 90 minutes. The transitions weren't too bad. I felt the full-on nightmare future should've been a stinger during the credits or after them. I didn't care all that much about Superman throughout the movie. I just didn't. The movie makes you not care.

Betrayal of characters from source material. I'm not a stickler for interpretation. Organic webbing? Sure. Half-vampire Blade? Sounds better. Batman and Superman totally going against moral codes that define them? Not ok. At all.

Cameos felt forced. And they looked like it was Smallville effects. Like tv. Wasn't this budget ridic? Sigh...

The fights were very brief and unfulfilling. Snyder couldn't even be himself and make this a good, superficial slugfest. Sigh.

The acting polished the ok to bad dialogue. Like, really well. It lifted the movie.

Alexander Luthor is awful. He's the worst thing in the movie. Can't understand what they were thinking. He truly was Willy Wonka. Way out of place. A guy actually laughed at his final scene, yelling at Batman, because he was so over the top.

Will not be seeing this again. I might...maybe...see the R-version out of curiosity. But I'm not buying it, that's for sure.

Go out on a bittersweet note. It was not hard to follow. I'm not sure what the super negative people are talking about. But also, I don't know what Snyder was talking about when he said that people might not get it and that it'll take more than one viewing. I'm guessing he was safety netting the inevitable backlash of what he was about to release, as well as selling tickets with cheap words. It does not have that much depth. Again, very easy to follow.
 
So until yesterday, my anticipation was at "Avengers" level. Now it's down to "Fantastic 4"-reboot level. I guess I'll still head to the theater, but at this point, any hopes I had of being entertained are pretty much gone. :csad:

Well everyone is having an opinion. It wasn't perfect and didn't flow perfectly, but it was a hugely entertaining experience for me. I thought it was better than both Thors, Capt 1, Ant-Man, IM 2 & 3, AoU, GL, X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-man 3, TASM and TASM2, in my opinion.
 
Sorry to hear that. I want to comfort you, but it was really bad for me.

I really do hope you feel differently and think it's awesome though!

Don't get it twisted, it's still an entertaining flick.

Best way I've seen it put here is "A beautiful mess"

Nah. At this point there's nowhere for you to go but up.

Alrighty, I'm going to go into that theater sometime this weekend, and my mind will be as open as possible. I know that if nothing else, Snyder can at least put some flashy superheroics on a movie screen, and that'll probably be good enough for me for now.
 
Just saw the movie. A few things:

1 - The critics are right. There are some flaws in the film. The most notable is the editing and pacing. You can tell that the 3 hr version is going to be the full story. The film definitely feels trimmed. However, while this is bad enough to be noticeable in places, it was not bad enough to detract from the film for me.

2 - The acting performances and the themes of the film are powerful and well executed. I had long conversations about the film with my father after we saw it together. Its not a generic summer blockbuster - there's a lot here that's meaningful.

3 - BvS is a better story than MOS, but MOS was perhaps better executed.

4 - This is not like "Watchmen." Don't listen to that critique. The film is dark, but not that dark. I'd say its about as dark as The Dark Knight. The film is definitely not nihilistic like Watchmen and there are plenty of beautiful and heroic moments. The ending is very redemptive and hopeful in nature.

5 - The cinematography is beautiful, the special effects are as good or better than what we saw in MOS. My worries about Doomsday after seeing him in the trailer were absolved by the film - he looks great here and in context he really works.

6 - There is indeed humor in the film. I wouldn't say it works as well as in the Marvel films, because something is off about the comedic timing. Another editing problem. However, there was one comedic beat in the finale that had my whole theatre laughing.

7 - Speaking of the audience, my theatre was packed. There were four moments of audience response at the appropriate times. I was surprised because the last time I've seen an audience that "into" the film was during the Fellowship of the Ring. Here's the parts where they responded (spoiler tags):

[BLACKOUT]When the bomb is about to go off in the senate hearing[/BLACKOUT], the audience murmured uncomfortably and one guy across the aisle said loudly to his buddy "something bad is going to happen."

[BLACKOUT]When Batman saved Martha and Martha made her wisecrack[/BLACKOUT], the audience laughed. And by the audience, I mean everyone. That moment landed very well.

[BLACKOUT]When Wonder Woman showed up[/BLACKOUT] the audience reacted in various ways. Some people oohed, someone in the back said "hell yeah" which made me laugh.

At the end of the film there was scattered clapping. It wasn't one of those whole theatre clapping moments, but it was more than one group of people. Last time I heard clapping in a theatre was at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, I think.

8 - The critics were wrong. Yeah, yeah, I know - in point #1 I said they were right. But the thing is, the pacing, while flawed, was not as bad as the pacing in Age of Ultron. The film, while dark, was appropriately dark and certainly not humorless or hopeless as I'd been led to believe. I have criticisms of my own about the film (regarding one or two things I won't spoil here), and the film isn't perfect, but it isn't 30% on RT bad. It really doesn't deserve that score.

9 - The moments that need to work really do work. Zack Snyder delivered. This isn't a Nolan film. Its not as clean in execution or as cerebral in atmosphere. But I found it deeply meaningful. There's lots of little things that the film doesn't beat you over the head with. Hopefully you'll catch them. And I found the film more emotionally arresting than any superhero film I've seen in a long time.

So, for what its worth, I loved it. I'm going to wait until my second viewing to decide on a rating, but I'm leaning toward 7/10 at the moment.
 
Well everyone is having an opinion. It wasn't perfect and didn't flow perfectly, but it was a hugely entertaining experience for me. I thought it was better than both Thors, Capt 1, Ant-Man, IM 2 & 3, AoU, GL, X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-man 3, TASM and TASM2, in my opinion.

Okay, that's really helpful. I thoroughly enjoyed most of the movies in your list, so that's pretty uplifting. Thank you!!!
 
I'd put it on par with X3, Spider-Man 3 and Age of Ultron. Better than the Amazing Spider-Man movies and Green Lantern, yeah.
 
Okay, that's really helpful. I thoroughly enjoyed most of the movies in your list, so that's pretty uplifting. Thank you!!!

I will add, it is a lot longer and requires more attention than all of those films.
 
Just saw it. Generous 6 out of 10.

The movie dragged quite a bit. Disappointed with the overall experience when you expect an epic brawl(s) and a setup for Justice League. It's quite deflating.

Pacing was horrid. Nothing truly eventful happens for 90 minutes. The transitions weren't too bad. I felt the full-on nightmare future should've been a stinger during the credits or after them. I didn't care all that much about Superman throughout the movie. I just didn't. The movie makes you not care.

Betrayal of characters from source material. I'm not a stickler for interpretation. Organic webbing? Sure. Half-vampire Blade? Sounds better. Batman and Superman totally going against moral codes that define them? Not ok. At all.

Cameos felt forced. And they looked like it was Smallville effects. Like tv. Wasn't this budget ridic? Sigh...

The fights were very brief and unfulfilling. Snyder couldn't even be himself and make this a good, superficial slugfest. Sigh.

The acting polished the ok to bad dialogue. Like, really well. It lifted the movie.

Alexander Luthor is awful. He's the worst thing in the movie. Can't understand what they were thinking. He truly was Willy Wonka. Way out of place. A guy actually laughed at his final scene, yelling at Batman, because he was so over the top.

Will not be seeing this again. I might...maybe...see the R-version out of curiosity. But I'm not buying it, that's for sure.

Go out on a bittersweet note. It was not hard to follow. I'm not sure what the super negative people are talking about. But also, I don't know what Snyder was talking about when he said that people might not get it and that it'll take more than one viewing. I'm guessing he was safety netting the inevitable backlash of what he was about to release, as well as selling tickets with cheap words. It does not have that much depth. Again, very easy to follow.

Basically everything you just said, but I gave it 4.5/10 and it was difficult to follow for me. The pacing and jump cuts. I think I was just so uninterested with what was going on in the first half that I didn't pay attention. Really poor and aggressively boring first half.
 
Don't expect Avengers style movie.

There are no cool scenes or "Hulk Smashing Loki" scene stealing scenes.

I can see why critics and some fans hate it. There was No Epic moment at all. Commercials pretty much ruined all the surprise action scenes.

But I did like it!!! I loved it!!! It's sooo differently good. KIDS will definitely get bored...do not bring them.

The story kept me engaged however. It's not perfect. I gave it 8/10.

It's basically a cross between Watchmen and MOS.

Nolan's Batman > Both Avengers > Winter Soldier > MOS = Watchmen = BVS = Spiderman 1&2 > The rest superheroe movies

If you want a fun ride and to be entertained then go watch Deadpool.

If you want Sci Fi Drama then this is great.
 
They start filming JL in TWO WEEKS (April 11). You're pretty naive if you think they'll be able to drop Snyder and get a new director rolling and ready to go that quickly and not have it be a disaster.

You're pretty Naive if you think a multi billion dollar company is going to give more money to a director who can't tell a cohesive story to save his life.

As a Superman fan you should be screaming at the top of your lungs to get someone competent to come in and direct these films.
 
Oh it was a mediocre mess but I wouldn't say it wasn't enjoyable. One thing I noticed is that the critics have hugely overstated how dark, grim and dreary this film is. It felt no darker than The Dark Knight or TDKR.

And some people think the critics aren't kinda biased. The movie isn't great but if you just take a look at a good bit of the reviews, many of them are rather trollish with petty complaints about the film. They're bandwagoning at this point. Might as well be group-think. Not only that, but there's a kinda big contrast between RT, Metacritic, and CriticsChoice.
 
Basically everything you just said, but I gave it 4.5/10 and it was difficult to follow for me. The pacing and jump cuts. I think I was just so uninterested with what was going on in the first half that I didn't pay attention. Really poor and aggressively boring first half.

I was tired--and still am (will nap soon)--but I actually considered going to my truck and napping during the really long parts of the first half. It was only in my head for about 30 seconds, but I was heavily considering it. But I was like, "Nah, let's get this over with." Half hour in I realized that things weren't going to truly get better, what with the tone and pace. But even then, I still had thoughts of action and motivation. Nope. The movie did not give that to us.

I put this in another thread about GA reactions, but there was a kid that looked so bored that he looked angry. Late teens, I'm guessing. As I turned back to the screen I chuckled under my breath and smiled big. I was like, "I feel you."

I could see my score going down. I might just be high on this CBM, being that I'm a huge DC fanboy. Heh. I honestly tried to dismiss that while rating it. Just by the merit of it being a movie is what I was going for. I could see me slipping it down to a 5. The more I think about it, the more it irks me that this is what WB found acceptable and threw hundreds of millions at.
 
I'd put it below MoS and that pretty ***king low. Lower than The Wolverine, TDKR, X3, ASM2 or SM3(which are all about the same as MoS...5/10 type crap). This is original 2 FF films or GL level bad but still not Fant4stic, Anghulk, TDK, XO:W 'bottom of the barrel' abysmal.
 
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The critics were right about a lot of things. But I think the things they were right about probably mattered more to them than they mattered to me. I noticed the flaws but the good outweighed the bad for me.
 
Really? There were a few such moments for me.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie.

But all the cool scenes were already shown on trailers.

Remember in Avengers where all of them assembled for the first time against the Chitari and the camera circled around them? That was epic.

None here. The shot of Supes, WW, and Bats were on trailer so no one was surprised.

I can't remember any when I jumped off my seat and said whoa!!!!
 
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