BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

[Andreth]

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen many jokes about the "martha" word like that's a magic word for stopping Batman from killing you, but if I remember correctly when Clark said "save Martha" bruce actually got angrier and was filled with hatred, he thinks superman is mocking him or playing mind games with him.
That's why he starts yelling "how did you know that name!"
it's only when he finds out that Superman is talking about HIS mother that he realizes he's just a man.

then Lois explains Lex's plan, superman recovers his voice and explains it too, and well, Batman starts to come to his senses.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen many jokes about the "martha" word like that's a magic word for stopping Batman from killing you, but if I remember correctly when Clark said "save Martha" bruce actually got angrier and was filled with hatred, he thinks superman is mocking him or playing mind games with him.
That's why he starts yelling "how did you know that name!"
it's only when he finds out that Superman is talking about HIS mother that he realizes he's just a man.

then Lois explains Lex's plan, superman recovers his voice and explains it too, and well, Batman starts to come to his senses.

Yeah you're right, but it's funnier if you patronize the whole scene. Though, I will say, it was a lame way to end the fight.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Seen the film twice now. Thankfully I didn't have to pay for it.

Final score is 3/10. The movie is a disappointing mess. I thought I'd at least enjoy the Batman elements, but they made him into an unlikable and unhinged psychopath. Superman was driven to the ground by Snyder. They ruined Lex Luthor as well, who was one of my favorites in the post-crisis comics.

Looking at the SHH Mainpage, 40% of this site rates BVS at 0-1/10... My score is slightly higher than that. Disappointment abounds.

 

[CGHulk]

I liked the movie, I'm going to address what I didn't like about the movie and if something isn't mentioned that means I either liked it or it didn't bother me one way or the other.

I didn't like Luthor's height and voice.

I didn't like that Supeman hit Batman back after Batman made the first strike, it only made the situation worse for Supeman and counter productive since he wanted to tell Batman that his mother was kidnapped and they had been set up the whole time.

I'm not to happy that Supeman's weakness is Lois Lane, and that her death/murder would make him go pure evil.

While Batman was pursuing the Lexcorp truck to get the Kryptonite off of it. Superman stopped Batman from pursuing the truck. From Superman's point of view Batman was in pursuit of criminals, so Superman was ok to let bad guys get away?

Other than that the movie was pretty good.

 

[Jekecy]

Yeah you're right, but it's funnier if you patronize the whole scene. Though, I will say, it was a lame way to end the fight.

Only if you think it's lame for Bruce Wayne to have PTSD. Or to have that triggered because someone called out his mother's name...the one who got shot in front of him as a boy.

SO LAME.

 

[Orb]

Just saw it. Liked it tho I can understand some of the flaws. However the second half or specifically the third act was so engrossing for me I forgot all my issues in the first half in the moment. I left the movie jacked and amped for more as every movie should. Gimme moar DCEU!

At first I thought Jesse gave a good performance but just not a good LEX. However a very small moment in the third act made it click with me. THo I would've prefer he toned it down at the end there lol.

Favorite scenes just on the top of my head

1. Superman/ Lex confrontation
2. Warehouse Scene
3. The Trinity / Doomsday

7/10

 

[Poni_Boy]

Only if you think it's lame for Bruce Wayne to have PTSD. Or to have that triggered because someone called out his mother's name...the one who got shot in front of him as a boy.

SO LAME.

As someone who has PTSD, yes I found it lame. Completely and comically lame. I had to stifle a laugh first time I saw it. Wasn't the only one at my screening of under 30 people. Ever seen a PTSD attack at the level they showed here? Your brain hits fight or flight immediately. Shuts down. No sense of reason. No ability to talk. If he had a PTSD attack so bad he was reliving his parents deaths he'd have killed Supes and Lois and the pigeons on the window ledge and the woman hanging laundry out her window and the audience.

 

[The Endless]

IM3's portrayal of PTSD was more realistic and believable.

 

[Poni_Boy]

IM3's portrayal of PTSD was more realistic and believable.

True. It was very well done. Marvel must have vet consultants on board because that coupled with Punisher's cemetery monologue in Daredevil hit me hard.

 

[Jekecy]

As someone who has PTSD, yes I found it lame. Completely and comically lame. I had to stifle a laugh first time I saw it. Wasn't the only one at my screening of under 30 people. Ever seen a PTSD attack at the level they showed here? Your brain hits fight or flight immediately. Shuts down. No sense of reason. No ability to talk. If he had a PTSD attack so bad he was reliving his parents deaths he'd have killed Supes and Lois and the pigeons on the window ledge and the woman hanging laundry out her window and the audience.

Has this come down to arguing what a fictional character would do in a moment of stress? I'm not overly concerned with personal experiences or expectations of a particular emotional response. The question is whether it is reasonable for Bruce, the character, to act the way he did (even amongst the billions of other possibilities) after a trigger.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Has this come down to arguing what a fictional character would do in a moment of stress? I'm not overly concerned with personal experiences or expectations of a particular emotional response. The question is whether it is reasonable for Bruce, the character, to act the way he did (even amongst the billions of other possibilities) after a trigger.

Yeah man. I'm continuing the discussion you started on the topic. Savvy?

 

[Andreth]

Well, he did go crazy mad when hearing that word.

So, for all those who are laughing at the "magic" word well, if you say that to Batman you're only gonna get killed faster.

 

[Jekecy]

Yeah man. I'm continuing the discussion you started on the topic. Savvy?

Sure. So you'll stand completely firm than in no way shape or form Bruce's reaction in that moment was reasonably possible?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well, he did go crazy mad when hearing that word.

So, for all those who are laughing at the "magic" word well, if you say that to Batman you're only gonna get killed faster.

The opposite, really. No one died. Maybe Joker should have tattooed 'Martha' on his forehead instead of 'Damaged'

 

[InspecktahDeck]

I think people are getting hung-up on the catch-all use of "PTSD". It's just something that freaked him out.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Sure. So you'll stand completely firm than in no way shape or form Bruce's reaction in that moment was reasonably possible?

No man I just can't believe it. Really and truly I can't. It honestly felt written by someone who doesn't have or didn't research complex PTSD attacks. Which is fine. That's not a requirement for script writing. But they can't fault people who are familiar with it from finding it laughable.

It's like the opposite of the movie Miami Vice. It's the most screen accurate portrayal of tactical law enforcement I've yet to see. So much so that it was borderline unintelligible to most people.

 

[MrsKent26]

I think people are getting hung-up on the catch-all use of "PTSD". It's just something that freaked him out.

Yep. That's how I read it.

I liked that part of the fight. Very clever and emotional, IMO.

 

[Andreth]

The opposite, really. No one died. Maybe Joker should have tattooed 'Martha' on his forehead instead of 'Damaged'

Snyder walking out of two interviews with you must have really hurted you.

There's no way to reason with you.

 

[Jekecy]

No man I just can't believe it. Really and truly I can't. It honestly felt written by someone who doesn't have or didn't research complex PTSD attacks. Which is fine. That's not a requirement for script writing. But they can't fault people who are familiar with it from finding it laughable.

It's like the opposite of the movie Miami Vice. It's the most screen accurate portrayal of tactical law enforcement I've yet to see. So much so that it was borderline unintelligible to most people.

Fair enough. The buck stops at personal suspension of disbelief.

Regardless, I've scoured enough opinions the past few days to know people aren't coming at it from your position, but are merely harping on "Martha" as the equivalent of "Jenga!" with its inclusion.

 

[jaqua99]

Only if you think it's lame for Bruce Wayne to have PTSD. Or to have that triggered because someone called out his mother's name...the one who got shot in front of him as a boy.

SO LAME.

In defense of an earlier post, PTSD is a neurotic disorder. Totally different from a psychopath

In all seriousness, I had few issues with the film. However, there were few loves as well. Off the top of my head, I loved the cinematography and the color scheming and balance. The fight scenes were cool and I loved the bigger displays of power. I am in the minority, but I enjoyed Lex Luther. I'm not very familiar with DC comics therefor not very familiar with Lex Luther so I have no real standard to judge by other than whatever movies I've seen the character in. Rest assured, he's left no lasting impression so I have no other interpretation of the character. He's new to me, and I personally loved the underlying psychosis of the character, and I liked how it manifested. Being a student of the field, I enjoy any main character who displays certain symptoms. Lex Luther was sick, and psychotic. Loved it. I actually enjoyed superman.

However, I had bigger issues. The plot seemed a little bit too thin to me, easily created, easily resolved, regarding batman's crusade against superman. Batman was an ego driven remorseless angry individual, perhaps a psychopath, who killed. Unsure about how I felt, it was just odd to me. Not a good unsure, not a bad unsure. I felt the slower parts were uninteresting and because of the implications of the title and trailers, too much was being anticipated regarding the conflict that the film leads up to. These slower parts just were to thin to bring me to the present moment in the film.
I liked wonder woman but I didn't like what they did with her. The way she was presented in the final battle. The music every damn time she appeared made it cringe worthy to me. It SOO blatantly screamed, look, it's wonder woman and she looks cool..but look. When the fight got going and the events of the final battle unfold, it felt a bit more fluid, but prior, I felt uncomfortable. The justice league cameos I thought felt very shoe horned in.

Except for the Flash in Bruce's dream. That was cool.

Overall, a few likes, a few more dislikes, and general feeling of simply "entertainment".

I'm not crapping on it, still give it a solid 6.8/10 if I'm specific

 

[The Endless]

I didn't think it was clever.

*Batman is literally about to murder Superman*

"OH WAIT OUR MOMS HAVE THE SAME NAME!?! WOW LET'S BE BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!"

*Batman and Superman are now best friends forever*

How does Batman change his opinion so quickly? Throughout the entire film he is utterly convinced Superman must be destroyed. Nothing sways his opinion. He sees Superman as the end of mankind.

But all that goes out of the window because their mothers have the same name?

HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THIS IS GOOD WRITING?!

I mean seriously i can see that working as some kind of common ground between the two characters. But not the SOLE reason for them becoming friends all of a sudden.

Having that be the reason for Bruce's complete 180 on Superman is so incredibly contrived. It's like a ****ing child wrote it.

 

[RadioSha]

4.5/10 first time viewing

7/10 second time viewing. The great stuff really do outweigh the bad. Second time around it felt more fun because I just went in wanting to see these characters again and not worry about poor characterizations, too many subplots, still a bit jarring pacing, and that abortion of a Lex Luthor.

I went in there wanting to have fun and you do. You get moved by scenes that you usually don't get moved by. You laughed at the jokes. And personally, I love everything about Batman.

Once you get past the first viewing, it becomes EXPONENTIALLY less dreary. I swear. I'm not kidding. I enjoyed myself a lot even when there were glaring problems, as I mentioned before.

 

[MrsKent26]

I didn't think it was clever.

*Batman is literally about to murder Superman*

"OH WAIT OUR MOMS HAVE THE SAME NAME!?! WOW LET'S BE BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!"

*Batman and Superman are now best friends forever*

How does Batman change his opinion so quickly? Throughout the entire film he is utterly convinced Superman must be destroyed. Nothing sways his opinion. He sees Superman as the end of mankind.

But all that goes out of the window because their mothers have the same name?

HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THIS IS GOOD WRITING?!

I mean seriously i can see that working as some kind of common ground between the two characters. But not the SOLE reason for them becoming friends all of a sudden.

Having that be the reason for Bruce's complete 180 on Superman is so incredibly contrived. It's like a ****ing child wrote it.

I was just talking about the use of the common name for their mothers as a way to stop the fight. That's the part I like. I agree that the turnabout by batman was too sudden.

 

[The Endless]

Ok that's cool.

Like i said, it's a good way to show they have common ground. But the SOLE reason for Bruce's total and utter 180 on his opinion of Superman? Absurd.

 

[BigCityBoy]

Just came back from a 2D IMAX late showing. Simply put: it wasn't bad but wasn't great either. It left a lot to be desired quite actually. It was just something off about this movie but maybe the "director's cut" on Blu-Ray later on this year might fix the issues and flesh out the story more. This was definitely a "Superman" movie but ironically I cared less about Superman and liked Batman a lot more in this movie. Really looking forward to a solo Affleck Batman movie in the future. Anyway I give this movie a 6 out of 10. And quite frankly I'm being alittle generous with the 6.