Best Origin Movie?

[CFE]

Christopher Reeve, Robert Downey, JEH, Ron Perlman and Patrick Stewert were all tailor made (both physically and psychologically/emotionally) for their respective comic book characters.

 

[kedrell]

^I disagree about Patrick Stewart. To me he'll always be Picard. Plus he made Xavier come off more benevolent than I would have preferred. Sure Xavier's a good guy and all, but I always seemed to detect a hidden dangerous side to him in the comics.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

^I disagree about Patrick Stewart. To me he'll always be Picard. Plus he made Xavier come off more benevolent than I would have preferred. Sure Xavier's a good guy and all, but I always seemed to detect a hidden dangerous side to him in the comics.

And you didn't get that from his revelation in X-3? I always thought there was a shady side to Patrick Stewarts Xavier.

 

[kedrell]

^Point being that I had to wait until the 3rd film to even get a glimpse of it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Fair enough. But I always thought there was something about him since the first one.

 

[Mutagen]

I'm curious to see how Wolverine's origin will effect this thread.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Christopher Reeve, Robert Downey, JEH, Ron Perlman and Patrick Stewert were all tailor made (both physically and psychologically/emotionally) for their respective comic book characters.

Agreed on all, and I would even have thrown McKellan in there if it wasnt for his poor performance in X3 (though Stewart wasnt much better to be fair). But all of the others, I TOTALLY agree on.

I'm curious to see how Wolverine's origin will effect this thread.

Thats a good point actually, maybe another poll needs to be done after that, or I may wait until GL hits.

 

[dude stannis]

Superman, with the odd exception I despise the origin segments of CBM films. I prefer the Batman '89/Blade style introductions. Thier first appeearances have far more impact than ones where we're forced to wait an hour.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Superman, with the odd exception I despise the origin segments of CBM films. I prefer the Batman '89/Blade style introductions. Thier first appeearances have far more impact than ones where we're forced to wait an hour.

I do think the origin formula is becoming a bit boring, thats why I didnt find Iron Man to be as spectacular as everyone made out, it brought nothing new to the table.

 

[Two-Face]

I liked all Origin stories, but Batman one was due since 1989.



Batman Begins.

 

[kedrell]

I liked all Origin stories, but Batman one was due since 1989.

I can totally understand that. I feel the same way about the Hulk. Still waiting for a great comic-book accurate(or fairly accurate) origin movie for him.

 

[Logan's Lady]

I chose Iron Man. I found it much more entertaining than Batman Begins (which would have been #2)

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I might watch Iron Man now actually

 

[Spoarz™]

For me, it's between Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins for best origin film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can totally understand that. I feel the same way about the Hulk. Still waiting for a great comic-book accurate(or fairly accurate) origin movie for him.

I felt Hulk (2003) is about as accurate as we are going to get for a good while. I felt that origin was fairly accurate as it took a lot from the comics, unlike TIH.

 

[kedrell]

I felt Hulk (2003) is about as accurate as we are going to get for a good while. I felt that origin was fairly accurate as it took a lot from the comics, unlike TIH.

TIH was pure TV show. OK, I'm willing to accept that. But H'03 was also much too close to the tv show. I'm looking for one that has virtually NO tv show in it. Just like every Batman until BB had some of the old Batman tv show in it. BB had none, and was all the better for it. Sure we probably will have to wait quite a while for Hulk to get his comic origin done faithfully(or at least 85-90% faithfully like Batman, Superman, Iron Man, Spider-Man have) because the flashbacks in TIH weren't faithful at all to the comics(nor were they trying to be) and Hulk'03 is at best 50-60% faithful. And I really, really, really want to see Rick Jones show up in a Hulk origin movie. Not having him is like Batman w/o Alfred, Superman w/o Jimmy Olsen, Iron Man w/o Rhodes, Spider-Man w/o Aunt May, etc. Ok, rant over.

 

[November Rain]

my favourites is daredevil's, his relationship with his father is the most genuine of stories and losses on film.

the whole young daredevil flashback is incredible

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

TIH was pure TV show. OK, I'm willing to accept that. But H'03 was also much too close to the tv show. I'm looking for one that has virtually NO tv show in it. Just like every Batman until BB had some of the old Batman tv show in it. BB had none, and was all the better for it. Sure we probably will have to wait quite a while for Hulk to get his comic origin done faithfully(or at least 85-90% faithfully like Batman, Superman, Iron Man, Spider-Man have) because the flashbacks in TIH weren't faithful at all to the comics(nor were they trying to be) and Hulk'03 is at best 50-60% faithful. And I really, really, really want to see Rick Jones show up in a Hulk origin movie. Not having him is like Batman w/o Alfred, Superman w/o Jimmy Olsen, Iron Man w/o Rhodes, Spider-Man w/o Aunt May, etc. Ok, rant over.

I'd say Hulk '03 was more 70-75% faithful than what you suggest, especially with all the stuff about his mother and father, etc, but i know what you mean. Unfortunately, the TV show has such a cult status I dont think any director would ever dismiss it from a Hulk movie outright.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Sure we probably will have to wait quite a while for Hulk to get his comic origin done faithfully(or at least 85-90% faithfully like Batman, Superman, Iron Man, Spider-Man have) because the flashbacks in TIH weren't faithful at all to the comics(nor were they trying to be) and Hulk'03 is at best 50-60% faithful. And I really, really, really want to see Rick Jones show up in a Hulk origin movie.

The Hulk's comic origin was basically lifted from "The Amazing Colossal Man," so you can always see it there. I doubt we'll ever see Rick involved in Hulk's origin (although WHEN they make a TIH sequel they could expand the origin story with a longer flashback) but I would certainly like to see him. Maybe he'll start up the Teen Brigade in the Avengers movie.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Daredevil, whilst not a brilliant film, had one of the best actual origin stories out of A LOT of CBMs.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Hulk's comic origin was basically lifted from "The Amazing Colossal Man," so you can always see it there. I doubt we'll ever see Rick involved in Hulk's origin (although WHEN they make a TIH sequel they could expand the origin story with a longer flashback) but I would certainly like to see him. Maybe he'll start up the Teen Brigade in the Avengers movie.

Many other elements from the comics were included in Ang Hulk's origin though, its just that a lot of people dont realise 90% of the father/abuse stuff did actually happen in the comics at some point.

 

[stargazer]

Christopher Reeve, Robert Downey, JEH, Ron Perlman and Patrick Stewert were all tailor made (both physically and psychologically/emotionally) for their respective comic book characters.

I'd include Brandon Routh in this list. Heck, he is like Clark Kent in real life. And I don't care if everybody disagrees with me.


And I voted for STM. It is the most epic, most beautiful and most magical of them all (origins), minor flaws and all. Even Nolan agrees with that.

 

[kedrell]

Many other elements from the comics were included in Ang Hulk's origin though, its just that a lot of people dont realise 90% of the father/abuse stuff did actually happen in the comics at some point.

Oh I was well aware of that and I'm a huge fan of PAD's run on the Hulk comic. I loved that angle he inserted into the Hulk mythos. The problem I had with the film was that they changed things around with out good reason from the comics regarding this issue. IMO, the comics did it better by having Bruce's dad being dead by the time the Hulk came to be. That way he's the only enemy that the Hulk's power is useless against since his memory is still torturing Bruce inside his head.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh I was well aware of that and I'm a huge fan of PAD's run on the Hulk comic. I loved that angle he inserted into the Hulk mythos. The problem I had with the film was that they changed things around with out good reason from the comics regarding this issue. IMO, the comics did it better by having Bruce's dad being dead by the time the Hulk came to be. That way he's the only enemy that the Hulk's power is useless against since his memory is still torturing Bruce inside his head.

Bruce still killed him though, Ang just took that concept from Bruce and gave to both Bruce and The Hulk, which I was fine with. In fact I think it mostly worked great.

 

[kedrell]

Bruce still killed him though, Ang just took that concept from Bruce and gave to both Bruce and The Hulk, which I was fine with. In fact I think it mostly worked great.

But that's like saying it doesn't matter what order you add the ingredients to bake a cake in, it's essentially all the same stuff anyway. I mean, in the comics Bruce didn't murder his father in a fit of righteous vengance for the death of his mother and destruction of his childhood, rather it was an accident that Brian tripped while arguing with Bruce by his mother's grave and struck his head on the grave stone and died. Then he was free to have his memory be the thing that tortured Bruce/Hulk for years after that. I don't see how Ang's reinvention of that is better in any way. I say, if your gonna change something from the comics then you should improve it or leave it alone. Ang did neither and that is one of the many reasons why his movie didn't work so well with audiences, IMO.