Birds of Prey BoP Box Office Thread

[TheGuy]

The only way that'll happen is if they allow Matt Reeves to completely reboot the character. From what we know of Reeves Batman, Margot's Harley as she currently is doesn't seem to fit that world at all.
And while they're technically capable of releasing 4 films per year... it's a stupid idea to do so when Marvel is also gonna be releasing 4 per year, so I like to believe they won't make such a decision.

Well, HQ can be integrated in some way if Joker is already around in Reeves's first film and her time with him was relatively short. Or maybe even a soft reboot through Flashpoint. Lol. BoP is kind of stuck in no man's land, in the middle of a rebooted Batman who most likely controls Batgirl and Poison Ivy and a continuing loosely connected narrative that is the DCEU. It's difficult, but the DC and Batman fan in me likes to believe they'll eventually sort out this Batman continuity mess.

 

[Legendver2]

Gunn's TSS is set in DCEU, I doubt Reeves even wants to know what is the story of Gunn's movie, while Margot has discussed the story of BoP with Gunn.

Yea, that's my point. If TSS and Batman aren't even related, I don't see how Batman doing good is going to set a good start for TSS coming after, unless it's just because they're both DC properties.

 

[Legendver2]

but the DC and Batman fan in me likes to believe they'll eventually sort out this Batman DC continuity mess.

Ftfy

 

[Invader Joker]

Well, HQ can be integrated in some way if Joker is already around in Reeves's first film and her time with him was relatively short. Or maybe even a soft reboot through Flashpoint. Lol. BoP is kind of stuck in no man's land, in the middle of a rebooted Batman who most likely controls Batgirl and Poison Ivy and a continuing loosely connected narrative that is the DCEU. It's difficult, but the DC and Batman fan in me likes to believe they'll eventually sort out this Batman continuity mess.

She'd still need to be rebooted. The tone and development of her character doesn't seem to fit Reeves sensibilities and world from what we've heard of it.

I could see a scenario in which Reeves used Margot as Harley... but as an entirely rebooted version of her, maybe starting back on her Arkham Asylum Harleen Quinzel days.

 

[TheGuy]

Ftfy

Haha.

 

[Micromind]

Yea, that's my point. If TSS and Batman aren't even related, I don't see how Batman doing good is going to set a good start for TSS coming after, unless it's just because they're both DC properties.

If the trailers are good people will show up, like they did for Aquaman.

And if nothing else, I fully trust Gunn to deliver visually stunning trailers.

 

[Iceman]

On top of that, the only thing the Batgirl movie has is a script by Christina Hodson.
The same Christina Hodson that just made 2 films that underperformed at the box office (Bumblebee and this film)
There's not really any good reason to move forward with it.

Both decent films though, so maybe she needs to work on projects with a better marketing team. Also both times she was coming after films that would have been a significant drag (TLK & SS).

 

[Legendver2]

She'd still need to be rebooted. The tone and development of her character doesn't seem to fit Reeves sensibilities and world from what we've heard of it.

I could see a scenario in which Reeves used Margot as Harley... but as an entirely rebooted version of her, maybe starting back on her Arkham Asylum Harleen Quinzel days.

That could work, seeing as they're pretty much soft-booting WW anyway, erasing whatever story she had in BvS and JL.

 

[TheGuy]

Going back to the thread topic. The jury is still out about BoP's BO success or lack, thereof. We shouldn't be making declarative statements because the movie could still leg it out. Too premature tbh. I think that's one thing we can all agree on. Next week will be an indicator for the good WOM.

 

[Invader Joker]

Both decent films though, so maybe she needs to work on projects with a better marketing team. Also both times she was coming after films that would have been a significant drag (TLK & SS).

Still I see very little incentive to gamble on her script alone for an at least 70-80 million film.

 

[Iceman]

I think she's got her part down and hopefully Gun agrees. Out of all the stuff wrong with both of those films, Margot wasn't it.

I thought the SS version needed improvement but the BoP version is amazing. I loved every minute of her on screen and am still thinking about her throughout the day.

Honestly Gunn would just be wrong to make massive changes to her at this point, and I think he will see that her comedy is now good and can mesh well with whatever he is planning for everyone else in TSS. I'm a big fan of Guardians and seeing Harley done so well really hypes me up for what we might get there.

 

[Iceman]

Still I see very little incentive to gamble on her script alone for an at least 70-80 million film.

Oh yeah, they will have to look at everything very closely from a risk standpoint. I just hope she gets a good break here as I liked both Bumblebee and BoP.

 

[Micromind]

That could work, seeing as they're pretty much soft-booting WW anyway, erasing whatever story she had in BvS and JL.

I don't think so, beyond what was already soft-booted in WW and JL.

 

[Dr.]

Fair comment and wise words:

 

[Sithborg]

I think it is less massive changes, than it is worried about Gunn utilizing her properly.

About the only benefit of the doubt I am giving Gunn is that I do not think he is going to treat Harley like Ayer did. As something for the camera to leer at. Gunn has issues with using women characters, but at least he doesn't overally sexualize them in the GOTG movies.

 

[MadVillainy]

Fair comment and wise words:

how are those wise words

 

[TheGuy]

Oh yeah, they will have to look at everything very closely from a risk standpoint. I just hope she gets a good break here as I liked both Bumblebee and BoP.

Wasn't Bumblebee expected to earn low?

 

[Iceman]

Wasn't Bumblebee expected to earn low?

Yes - the first film outside the main series coming after TLK which was received so badly that its box office absolutely cratered from the prior film.

 

[Micromind]

Fair comment and wise words:

Wrap has written 5 click bait articles on failure of BoP in last 5 days. Just an example (don't click on link, unless you want to encourage them)

'Birds of Prey' Misfires With $33.7 Million Debut, DC's Worst Opening in a Decade

Journalism at it's finest.

 

[Invader Joker]

I think it is less massive changes, than it is worried about Gunn utilizing her properly.

About the only benefit of the doubt I am giving Gunn is that I do not think he is going to treat Harley like Ayer did. As something for the camera to leer at. Gunn has issues with using women characters, but at least he doesn't overally sexualize them in the GOTG movies.

I still fail to see what's so bad about the way Gunn writes female characters.
Gamora, Nebula and Mantis are pretty cool.

 

[-JKR-]

Fair comment and wise words:

Agreed 100%.

They also blatantly overestimated how the reshoots had to change the movie when reports from people who attended both the first test screenings and the latest said that the major major changes were the addition of the warehouse action scene and the addition of Huntress on her bike during the final rollerblade chase scene.

 

[Iceman]

I think it is less massive changes, than it is worried about Gunn utilizing her properly.

About the only benefit of the doubt I am giving Gunn is that I do not think he is going to treat Harley like Ayer did. As something for the camera to leer at. Gunn has issues with using women characters, but at least he doesn't overally sexualize them in the GOTG movies.

Gamora was very disappointing compared to her comic counterpart. There was no evidence of why she was regarded as the "deadliest woman in the galaxy". Nebula was decent though I thought. I just can't imagine anyone watching BoP and not wanting to use many elements of this performance for their own film, especially after seeing how inferior the SS version was. My opinion of Gunn will go down if he doesn't take advantage of this gift that has fallen into his lap.

 

[Legendver2]

Yes - the first film outside the main series coming after TLK which was received so badly that its box office absolutely cratered from the prior film.

If this was Marvel, they'd see this as a goodwill film and disregard its earnings and treat it as a foundation to continue building something better.

If this was WB, they'd see this as nobody wants a TF movie and just kill the whole thing and reboot it making it even more dark and edgy in 2 years.

Which way will Paramount swing?

 

[Invader Joker]

Paramount seems to be mostly pussyfooting around what to do.
Also I think Disney would be a bit more harsh. Look at how they reacted to Solo.

 

[kguillou]

I don't want the DC movies to become one big body of work, though. I like the movies' independence to explore the stories as they wish and with the director's idiosyncrasies setting the tone and style for the movies.

I don't want the movies to suddenly turn into one mush. As much as it works for Marvel Studios, I don't think emulating them would be the right way to handle things.

In my opinion they need to go ahead with full steam and more conviction and confidence.

Birds of Prey had an uphill battle anyways, for many different reasons, and eventually people will catch up with it thinking "****, this is actually pretty good."

The only thing needed is some patience. If Wonder Woman 1984, The Batman and The Suicide Squad all underperform... THEN you have a reason to worry.

And what people forget is that some of the early Marvel Studios films didn't set the world on fire, either, and with bigger budgets. So when people talk about Shazam they should remember that the first Captain America made basically the same money, and cost much more.

But in that case no one was talking about it underperforming, in the case of Shazam they do...........

I’m with this guy. I dont want the DCEU to be MCU 2.0. I want each film to be its own thing with its own directorial creative vision. In a way that makes each movie kind of exciting because they dont have any rules to follow. Some fans may see that as chaotic but...this is how movies used to be made before the MCU and rewrote the rulebook. I like that you can have these quirky little offshoot movies like BoP and hey if they dont do well, they dont harm or taint what orher movies are doing. BoP’s flop has zero affect on The Batman or Wonder Woman ‘84.