Bought/Thought "OH NOEZZZ!!" Sept.20th Edition

[La The Darkman]

Isnt it kinda funny that Goliath and Micromax died?

Micromax didn't die, he was serioulsy wounded but he didn't die.......yet.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I see your point. You have to remember though, Alex was a Luthor afterall. Stark has no excuse.

I think that Alexander Luthor was the true villain of Infinite Crisis. He was the one who drove Superboy Prime to the level of craziness and emoness that he became by constantly showing him the destruction of his home, how bad the new Earth was, how bad a Superboy Conner Kent was, and that he could have lived on earth. Add to the fact that he couldn't grow up.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I think that Alexander Luthor was the true villain of Infinite Crisis. He was the one who drove Superboy Prime to the level of craziness and emoness that he became by constantly showing him the destruction of his home, how bad the new Earth was, how bad a Superboy Conner Kent was, and that he could have lived on earth. Add to the fact that he couldn't grow up.

That's what I'm saying, Tony is pulling that in Marvel right now. He is driving the other heroes to what they are doing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

But Tony really doesn't have an excuse. Alexander Luthor just wanted to go home.

 

[SouLeSS]

Uh, Tony has an 'excuse'. It's called following the law.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Uh, Tony has an 'excuse'. It's called following the law.

I think breaking supervillains out of prison, paying supervillains to attack Washington DC, cloning gods, etc. are illegal.

 

[SouLeSS]

You obviously think wrong. I'm pretty sure he didn't "break" the supervillains out of prison. More like get a pardon to help the judicial system work to its fullest, then put them back when they've served their purpose. Cloning Thor was a smart move on their part for numerious reasons that I'm not going to get into on this thread, as I've already outlined and went into semi-detail about pretty much everything you just said.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You obviously think wrong. I'm pretty sure he didn't "break" the supervillains out of prison. More like get a pardon to help the judicial system work to its fullest, then put them back when they've served their purpose. Cloning Thor was a smart move on their part for numerious reasons that I'm not going to get into on this thread, as I've already outlined and went into semi-detail about pretty much everything you just said.

1. I don't think the government would ever pardon villains such as the Green Goblin and Bullseye. They're too dangerous and they committed too many crimes.

2. Cloning in the United States is illegal

3. Paying a supervillain to attack Washington DC is technically treason.

4. Incarcerating villains and heroes in the Negative Zone Prision is a civil rights abuse.

Listen here. I'm a pro-reg kind of person. I think the government should know who the hell has the abililty to cause massive damage and kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives. I think that if heroes screw up like Speedball did, I think they should be liable. But to deny that Iron Man is breaking the law is rediculous.

 

[Brainiac 8]

You obviously think wrong. I'm pretty sure he didn't "break" the supervillains out of prison. More like get a pardon to help the judicial system work to its fullest, then put them back when they've served their purpose. Cloning Thor was a smart move on their part for numerious reasons that I'm not going to get into on this thread, as I've already outlined and went into semi-detail about pretty much everything you just said.

I was wondering if there were any sympathizers for the villians side in this story. Tony is a villian now, plain and simple. Sue said it right that Goliath's blood is on their hands. By association, the pro-reg heroes involved in that conflict are now all murderers.

Sometimes you have to look at what is morally happening, and wonder if the law is wrong. All of the pro's are morally incorrect in their thinking. And as the series goes on, it's becoming more and more obvious how low they are stooping.

You wouldn't hire Hitler to chase after so called "friends", because he is a psychotic killer. That is effectively what Tony is doing now.

Iron-Man is now the newest Marvel villian.

 

[Dread]

Whedon is just sticking with what he has done before.

Remember AXM#6? The FF team up? "I really like beer."

Logan has had like 5 beer moments in AXM so far so this week's thing was no biggie...

That's what I thought, too. It ties into AXM #6. To repeat, my issue wasn't solely the absurdity of it, it was placing a scene like that in an issue that until that point had been serious. I get that Whedon's chosen to esmaculate Logan psychically for comic relief so far (likely due to the fact that he's often depicted as the EPITOME of "manliness", just look at his solo). But amidst the rest of the issue and coming off the Kitty manipulation stuff (which was effective and chilling), it seemed awkward. I doubt anyone else will care though.

And I did like the issue, actually. I just feel this arc is tredding water a bit until the next. Maybe Whedon didn't get the memo that it's not 2004 anymore, you don't have to gear every story for 6 issues or bust anymore (many writers have tucked back many stories to a merciful 4 issues for instance).

I coined that first

Cool. Can I coin "Nuclear Thor"?

Brainiac 8 makes a good point comparing the "required evils" of IC and CW. I suppose it was easier turning Alexander Luthor that way because of the stereotypes his heritage brings, but as Corp mentioned, Stark has less excuse (although he has acted "rogueish" and outside the boundaries of Cap and some friends before, like in Armor Wars). There's just no way you can root for the pro-SHRA side, what with Stark and Reed almost cold and callous about creating Nuclear Thor and then siccing vicious killers after the Secret Avengers. In some ways, what's happened to Mr. Fantastic is worse because unlike Stark, who has a past as a *****ebag at times, Reed's NEVER been this bad, this "fascistic" before. Johnny was put in a coma and he barely visitted or cared. He barely showed much remourse for Goliath's death aside for easing Sue's temper. And he's ready to sic his dogs of war on Peter if he flinches for a second.

Speaking of Peter, the fact that he claims he "didn't sign up for this" when Iron Man made it very clear he'd have to take down old friends who didn't sign up, and that he's actually had to fight a few should have made it obvious, so he looks naive. But maybe some of the other mini's like Ms. Marvel or so are ahead.

And FYI, according to CW:X-MEN #3, Micromax actually ISN'T dead, he was "mortally wounded" as of the end of the issue (Sabra mentioned having to move him for treatment; you can't treat a corpse).

 

[SouLeSS]

1. I don't think the government would ever pardon villains such as the Green Goblin and Bullseye. They're too dangerous and they committed too many crimes.

2. Cloning in the United States is illegal

3. Paying a supervillain to attack Washington DC is technically treason.

4. Incarcerating villains and heroes in the Negative Zone Prision is a civil rights abuse.

Listen here. I'm a pro-reg kind of person. I think the government should know who the hell has the abililty to cause massive damage and kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent lives. I think that if heroes screw up like Speedball did, I think they should be liable. But to deny that Iron Man is breaking the law is rediculous.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10169718&postcount=3755

 

[SouLeSS]

I was wondering if there were any sympathizers for the villians side in this story. Tony is a villian now, plain and simple. Sue said it right that Goliath's blood is on their hands. By association, the pro-reg heroes involved in that conflict are now all murderers.

Sometimes you have to look at what is morally happening, and wonder if the law is wrong. All of the pro's are morally incorrect in their thinking. And as the series goes on, it's becoming more and more obvious how low they are stooping.

You wouldn't hire Hitler to chase after so called "friends", because he is a psychotic killer. That is effectively what Tony is doing now.

Iron-Man is now the newest Marvel villian.

No, I wouldn't hire Hitler to chase after my so called 'friends'. But I would hire Hitler to chase after my so called 'friend' if we had installed nano-technology in his brain to basically make him my puppet.

 

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10169718&postcount=3755

That doesn't bring up any of the points I have mentioned. Iron Man is breaking the law, plain and simple.

Spider-Man on the other hand, and other heroes such as She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, etc. are just simply following the law. To regain public trust.

 

[Brainiac 8]

No, I wouldn't hire Hitler to chase after my so called 'friends'. But I would hire Hitler to chase after my so called 'friend' if we had installed nano-technology in his brain to basically make him my puppet.

I could name a couple of them already that could overcome nanobots...namely Lady Deathstrike and Venom. I just don't think Tony and Reed are thinking some of these decisions they are making through. This is proven by their failed Thor clone and how it killed Goliath.

I actually thought Tony could be redeemed still, that is until they did the last page reveal on who he just employed. He made a Devil's deal, and now there is no turning back. Plus if all you want to do is capture, why send killers after them? They would kill, not capture.

Plus by future covers, this will obviously backfire, and hurt one of them on Tony's side. And truth be told, they'll deserve it.

 

[SouLeSS]

I could name a couple of them already that could overcome nanobots...namely Lady Deathstrike and Venom. I just don't think Tony and Reed are thinking some of these decisions they are making through. This is proven by their failed Thor clone and how it killed Goliath.

I actually thought Tony could be redeemed still, that is until they did the last page reveal on who he just employed. He made a Devil's deal, and now there is no turning back. Plus if all you want to do is capture, why send killers after them? They would kill, not capture.

Plus by future covers, this will obviously backfire, and hurt one of them on Tony's side. And truth be told, they'll deserve it.

I still dont understand why you guys can't understand what 'Stop the anti-regs with any means nesicary' means. But, I guess that just goes with having different minds on different things. We take it two different ways I guess.

Though I don't see why they'de hire gargVenom, as he shouldn't really be able to be controlled, what with his whole "I'm Scorpion + the Symbioate" thing. Pretty sure the Symbioate wouldn't let it be controlled.

 

[SouLeSS]

That doesn't bring up any of the points I have mentioned. Iron Man is breaking the law, plain and simple.

Spider-Man on the other hand, and other heroes such as She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, etc. are just simply following the law. To regain public trust.

Read what I posted. Laws go in and out of effect during 'war-time' all the time without the public knowing. That would make anything that was previously 'illegal' now 'legal'

 

[hippie_hunter]

Read what I posted. Laws go in and out of effect during 'war-time' all the time without the public knowing. That would make anything that was previously 'illegal' now 'legal'

Iron Man paid Titanium Man to attack Washington DC BEFORE Civil War started

War wouldn't change the laws of cloning.

The government wouldn't draft villains to fight in a war.

What Iron Man is doing is STILL ILLEGAL. Your points make no sense.

 

[Doc Destruction]

That doesn't make it right.

 

[Marcdachamp]

I think the fact that this is such a heated debate shows just how good a job Millar is doing.

Oh, and "Thor 2.0" is lame. Call him Clor. It's much more amusing.

 

[SouLeSS]

Iron Man paid Titanium Man to attack Washington DC BEFORE Civil War started

Yeah, I'm aware of that. That is, yes, treason and should be dealt with. Though, I'm pretty sure it will be one of those "lets throw it under the carpet and hope no one will ever mention it"

War wouldn't change the laws of cloning.

The government wouldn't draft villains to fight in a war.

What Iron Man is doing is STILL ILLEGAL. Your points make no sense.

War has changed plenty of laws in the past, why do you think it wouldn't now?

 

[Brainiac 8]

I still dont understand why you guys can't understand what 'Stop the anti-regs with any means nesicary' means. But, I guess that just goes with having different minds on different things. We take it two different ways I guess.

Though I don't see why they'de hire gargVenom, as he shouldn't really be able to be controlled, what with his whole "I'm Scorpion + the Symbioate" thing. Pretty sure the Symbioate wouldn't let it be controlled.

That's what I'm talking about. If Tony was so Smart, he would know that some of these villians can't be controlled. Like you said Venom could overcome them, and so could deathstrike (Isn't she dead?)

I kinda hope he ends up like Alexander Luthor personally.

 

[gildea]

T(have you ever heard Sue sound like a 2 dollar ****e and mention having sex only to tire Reed out? Me neither. See, juvenile. But it didn't hurt it here)

I may be misreading you dread but how exactly does sue sound like a two dollar ****e? (and the sex wasn't to tire read out)

 

[hippie_hunter]

I may be misreading you dread but how exactly does sue sound like a two dollar ****e? (and the sex wasn't to tire read out)

Like every woman, she's sleeping with Tony Stark. Also Reed found this letter next to Sue's:

Reed,

Thanks for being such a fascist dickwad. I owe ya!

Namor

P.S. Imperious Rex! Franklin isn't yours

 

[Brainiac 8]

LOL ^

Can't blame Sue for leaving....after her and Johnny and Ben leave....poor Reed is gonna be all alone.

 

[hippie_hunter]

LOL ^

Can't blame Sue for leaving....after her and Johnny and Ben leave....poor Reed is gonna be all alone.

Sue,

Don't worry, it's all good. I'll just clone ya! Laterz

Reed.

P.S. I'm working on a clone of Ben also. F**k Johnny though. He was annoying.