Breaking Bad - Part 1

[Killgrave]

If you go back and look at when Huell pats down Jesse, he puts something in his pocket once he backs away and looks at Saul.

 

[Soapy]

This might be an "Occam's razor" type of situation, the kid just simply found jesse's cigarette's and smoked the wrong one.

I'm not sure I buy the "Brock accidentally smoked it" theory. How do you smoke a glass vial?

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, that pat-down scene seemed a little fishy...

 

[Marvin]

Walt would never poison a chile, but Hisenberg most likely would. Jessie loves being manipulated, I can't wait for the finale.

 

[MadVillainy]

If Walt did it....then holy sh**

 

[Soapy]

Another pretty obvious possibility is that there's a rogue element within Gus' organization who took matters into his own hands and poisoned Brock without Gus' knowledge and/or permission. Tyrus seems a likely candidate if that's the case.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Walt, while he's done a lot of crazy things in desperation, still doesn't seem the type to want to poison tha kid...but it'd be a hell of a turn.

 

[Heisenberg]

Over the past few years, with the writer's clearly intent on bringing Walt's character into "Scarface" territory and the more recent interviews that suggest Walt's going to become a somewhat unlike-able or hated character, I strongly believe he poisoned the kid. It's a hell of a step for the character to take, but Walt's been progressively going "dark side". It might just be that the snap we saw at the end of the previous episode has pushed him over the edge.

Regardless, I want the hat in the next episode damnit.

 

[Paradox1]

If there was redeemable quality about scareface was that he would never intenally kill a kid. If they want to make him a scareface like character then that's a clue that he didn't do it.

 

[Poeman]

Over the past few years, with the writer's clearly intent on bringing Walt's character into "Scarface" territory and the more recent interviews that suggest Walt's going to become a somewhat unlike-able or hated character, I strongly believe he poisoned the kid. It's a hell of a step for the character to take, but Walt's been progressively going "dark side". It might just be that the snap we saw at the end of the previous episode has pushed him over the edge.

Regardless, I want the hat in the next episode damnit.

Walt's moment of the darkside began when he let Jesse's girlfriend die in that bed

 

[Travesty]

-The ricin was in a glass vial, so I don't think the kid accidentally smoked it.

-I don't really think it was Walt, because the timelines don't add up. He didn't have any time to get the vial from Jesse's cig that morning, and then poison the kid. And I don't think Saul and Walt poisoned the kid, cause I don't think Saul's bodyguard was slick enough to take the pack out, find the cig, and put the pack back in. And on top of it all, if Walt wanted to poison the kid, he could have made more ricin on his own. He wouldn't need to steal it from Jesse.

-I thought it was Gus for a second, until you go back, and watch the 'Inside Breaking Bad' commentary on the website about this episode, and Giancarlo Esposito(Gus) said this, "Gus has been drawn to this hospital for a reason, he has very clear intentions: get this cat (Jesse Pinkman) back to work. He doesn't really know the circumstances of all that's happened, he finds out what that is and then a clue happens. He says (to Jesse), "Stay with the boy.' But as he's leaving he's hearing (in his head) that voice (Jesse's voice) saying, 'The boy was poisoned, the boy was poisoned, the boy was poisoned.' And as he's walking and see's his car sitting there, and of course this is where he would park. He would park at the top level without any other cars, he would want to get in and out quickly without being seen. And then it just hit him. He knows that there's complicity on Jesse's part, there's the markings, there's the feeling, there's the gut sense - Walter White's behind this. He's a smart guy." (I copy/pasted this quote from theMan-Bat's post earlier in this thread)
http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/vi...-412-end-times

-I do, however, think it is Mike or Tyrus, or possibly both who did it. If you remember at the beginning of the season, we see Walt asking Mike to let him take a chance at killing Gus. Mike instead, beats the **** out of him, and leaves him in the bar as he walks away, making sure he never comes in contact with Gus again. So we know he already doesn't like him. Then, we see Walt pissing off Tyrus, by calling the cops on him when he was at Hank's house. So we know both bodyguards kinda have it out for Walt as it is. There was also a theory going round, that Mike bugged Jesse's house, cause he's the only one who's been in it. If Mike knows that Jesse has the ricin, he was waiting for the opportune time to take it from his pack(or have Tyrus do it), when he was cooking. Which, is the only time he could have had the cig taken, anyways.

So there you go. Sorry for the long speculative post, but I think it's either Mike or Tyrus....or both of them working together. Gus is keeping Walt alive, so Jesse will cook, but both Mike and Tyrus know Walt is out of the picture, but aren't allowed to kill him, even though both want to.

 

[TheBat812]

If there was redeemable quality about scareface was that he would never intenally kill a kid. If they want to make him a scareface like character then that's a clue that he didn't do it.

That doesn't mean anything, haha. I don't think they meant they wanted him to be scarface, just a similar type of character who devolves to madness.

There are three totally legitimate possibilities, all of which are sinister, and that is pretty astonishing. Great writing.

 

[CrypticOne]

I won't be surprised if Walt did poison Brock. This show is called Breaking Bad. I think and feel that Walt has to become a bad guy. I mean, Villigan did say Walt becomes Scarface.

I think in the next episode, Walt and Jesse will kill Gus and then Season 5 will be Walt VS. Jesse. Hence the title, Face Off. I mean, someone has to die.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I agree. Season 5 will feature Jesse as Walt's nemesis.

 

[TLH]

Interview with Gilligan on "End Times"

Gus and his goons, however, never got closer than 10 yards from the booby-trapped auto before something prompted the drug kingpin to stop, walk to the outer wall of the hospital garage’s structure and gaze around for a protracted bit — at times in a hidden Gus’ general direction — before ultimately pivoting and returning inside the hospital.
Does Gus now, among his myriad other talents, possess a “Spidey sense,” as some critics (Time‘s James Poniewozik included) surmised in their morning-after recaps? Did something lead him to suspect that foul play was at play? “That’s a good question,” Vince Gilligan, who created the acclaimed AMC series, tells TVLine. “I think [the about-face] stems not from [something that happened in] the parking garage itself, but his ‘Spidey sense’ started tingling in the previous scene, when he was talking to Jesse.”


To recap: Gus had been summoned to the hospital when Jesse, in the wake of young Brock’s ricin poisoning, refused to return to the superlab to complete a cook. Jesse held firm in his stance — perhaps too firm — until Gus uncharacteristically acquiesced, allowing his employee some personal leave. “That was a strange sort of subdued behavior on the part of Jesse,” Gilligan notes. “Jesse was sort of eyeballing Gus very intently with this sort of controlled but not completely controlled anger simmering underneath.” Left to process the encounter, Gus elected not to get into his car, but instead presumably return to confront Jesse anew.

As Gilligan notes of Breaking Bad‘s big bad, “This is an amazingly smart individual who has not come as far as he has without being very cautious and being one hell of a chess player. All of those things contribute to his ‘sixth sense,’ if you will.”

Other burning questions we ran by Gilligan during a Monday conference call:

WILL IT BECOME CLEAR HOW BROCK CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE RICIN? OR WILL VIEWERS BE LEFT TO MAKE THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS? | “You’ll have to wait until [next Sunday's season finale],” said Gilligan, “but your questions will be answered.”

WILL NEXT WEEK’S FINALE LEAVE US WONDERING, “WHAT THE HELL WILL SEASON 5 BE ABOUT?” OR SAYING, “OHHH, SO THAT’S WHAT SEASON 5 WILL BE ABOUT”? | “Probably a little more of the former,” Gilligan shared. “But hopefully you’re just going to say, ‘Wow.’”

 

[Asgard]

Loved the ep.

The scene with Jesse accusing Walt of poisoning Brock had me on the edge of my seat.

Ive been going over the timeline of the ep and the only way Walt could have poisoned Brock is if he had help from Saul and Huell. Saul's had interaction withAndrea and Brock before and could have went over there after Jesse left his office and slipped the ricin into something Brock may have eaten or drank.

 

[TLH]

Saul doesn't really seem like the type to poison a kid...I don't buy it.

I'm convinced that Walt did it, but how, that's another issue.

 

[kguillou]

Even though Walt has become increasingly unlikeable, him poisoning the kid would just plain break my heart. I dont know how i'd feel about that. Yes, the show is called Breaking Bad, but i'd like it if my main character was at least a little sympathetic. You take a character like Vic Mackey from The Shield for example, Vic did some horrible things, but you understood and sympathized with him and still rooted for him. And even Vic had boundaries (although in season 7 he was really pushing it). If Walt did this...then thats it, he's completely turned and we're left rooting for....Jesse?

 

[Asgard]

Logically, it doesnt make any sense for Walt to have done it on his own when you consider that the vial of ricin was with Jesse and Walt's only contact with him that day was later that night. The only people who could help him out with it is Saul and his men. I agree that Saul doesnt seem the type to even go through with something like this, so Im having a hard time believing Walt poisoned the kid.

 

[Dark Carnage]

I've got to stop reading this thread.

The speculation is killing the surprise. Should anybody have speculated correctly of course.

If not, well, Sunday is going to be colossal.

 

[CrypticOne]

After watching the episode again, I'm almost all but convinced that Walt had a part in poisoning Brock. I think Walt planned everything out. Poison Brock. Get Jesse on his side. Have some where they'd meet (Gus and Jesse). Blow Gus up.

It couldn't have been Gus or any of his men. Why would Gus try to kill Brock to hurt Jesse when Jesse is his last cook?! He wouldn't allow it.

But something caught me off guard. When they are showing who is in the episode, Jonathan Banks' name popped up. I was like "what?!" Maybe he has a part in all of this?! But I seriously doubt it.

What it all comes down to is self-preservation. Can you see Walt sacrificing a kid to protect his family? I can.

 

[Soapy]

Just wondering if anyone has seen the possibly very spoilery supposed leaked image of Gus from the finale? I'm 99.99999% sure it's fake, but I was curious if anyone had any thoughts about it.

 

[Asgard]

Nah, I didnt see it.

Maybe its a picture of Gus' corpse. Assuming he dies in the finale of course.

 

[Soapy]

Let's just say that if it's real (which, again, I highly highly doubt) it would give a whole new meaning to the title of the last episode.

 

[Asgard]

So we should expect John Woo's definition of a face off then.

Sounds good.