BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 7

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

Superman flew Doomsday into a nuke. He jumped into the water to retrieve the spear. He impaled himself on Doomsday to finish him. None of that was happy, happy, but those were such awesome heroic moments!

True heroism isn't found in the big moments. It is those small ones that make Superman the great of heroes.

 

[Val_Zod]

Some people are fundamentally against the take on these characters and are using it to justify their judgment that the movie was bad when in fact plenty of higher rated movies are just as flawed in terms of technical filmmaking. The only real difference is the artistic approach and that's really a matter of taste, which many are unwilling to admit. Some of them want pure escapism that depicts a romanticized reality. But the truth is, Snyder's approach of humanizing the characters in a world as flawed as ours is just as valid and does interest people.

As someone who was for this movie from day 1, I left disappointed, so no, not everyone who "hated it" went in with the desire to hate it.I'm not as critical as others, but ultimately bummed at what I saw. I think the emotional investment attached to the film has made this critical failure tough for people to swallow.

DC's characters are more established in pop culture and therefore have more ingrained opinions about their approach. Then you have the genre trend being dominated by escapist takes.

That just means people will have stronger opinions on it when things don't work out for them. And for this film, it didn't work out for many.

Even Nolan's trilogy had a great sense of idealism with statements like anyone can be Batman and make a difference. Many are rejecting Snyder's assertion that the real/flawed world would be no better with superheroes, and furthermore they would unavoidably be a product of the real/flawed world. Therefore, any idealism will be met with controversy and conflict. That is how the way the world is, but some people what pure escapism whereas others appreciate acknowledging how things really are. I want to see Snyder direct X-Men. Snyder does have flaws as a director but so do most superhero directors, which is why TDK is still lauded at the top of the genre. Yet, people are using any opportunity to push their aesthetic bias by conflating anything negative and use any opportunity to assert it's the approach that's the issue.

The idea of heroism being met with skepticism is a great idea in concept. However, you will find most people's problem comes with the execution of said issue. We as the audience should feel for Superman as the world is seemingly torn about his presence and actions, but his dehumanizing qualities beyond just not being perfect make it hard to engage with his ordeal.

 

[Lighthouse]

Batman's 180 was ridiculous.

 

[Mad Love]

Do they not get a say because they don't agree with you?

Ask yourself the same thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The last thing I see when I look at the trailers for this movie is realism.

Yeah, I do not get this realism stuff at all.

 

[InJustice]

Yeah, no. This movie has among the best emotional scenes presented in a CBM - with the main protagonists.

And, yes he did humanize them - made them flawed individual, rather than perfect.

Batman was too paranoid for his own good, while Superman was still dealing with how the world sees him.

He didn't humanize ****. Superman wrestles with whether he's need or not...only to do his job anyways. That's not being a human, that's forcing obligation where it didn't need to be forced. Superman comes across as a wage slave complaining about his job, yet he still does it anyways.

As for Batman, the problem was he had no context for his development, so he comes across as a brutal jackass. If there was just ONE line that showed Bruce's regression, it would've been fine.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What was the point of the last few scenes of MoS, if Clark has not made any progress as a person?

 

[Boom]

I wonder if Affleck mentioned working on something with Johns as some means of damage control.

His performance appears to be one of the positive takeaways I've seen from critics and fans. Build off of that by announcing a Batman solo sooner rather than later?

 

[Supernova]

It was all surface, no depth.

By then the damage had well and truly been done.

Ive seen it and would love to know what damage is done supposedly? A real damaged character is michael myers in both rob zombie movies

 

[danoyse]

Honest to god, I’m listening to the soundtrack from the 1978 Superman movie right now. It’s like a BvS exorcism.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ask yourself the same thing.

I am not the one passing judgment on how others feel here. You are. You are actually labeling people because you are upset with how they feel about this movie. What agenda does Boom or dayonse have?

 

[TheScarecrow]

Ive seen it and would love to know what damage is done supposedly? A real damaged character is michael myers in both rob zombie movies

Spoiler

Superman kills without a second thought. Cavill portrays him as a thug. He goes and threatens Batman's life for no reason other than Batman branding criminals. He's mopey and all he does is scowl

 

[InJustice]

What was the point of the last few scenes of MoS, if Clark has not made any progress as a person?

I find myself asking this a lot. It makes zero sense. Snyder took the ending of Man of Steel, doubled-down on it, and spat in the face of the movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honest to god, I’m listening to the soundtrack from the 1978 Superman movie right now. It’s a BvS exorcism.

I am watching MoS. Even with all its warts, I love it so.

 

[Boom]

As for Batman, the problem was he had no context for his development, so he comes across as a brutal jackass. If there was just ONE line that showed Bruce's regression, it would've been fine.

Didn't we though? Alfred with his "Turns good men cruel" line and Bruce with his "How many stayed that way" line?

 

[Val_Zod]

What was the point of the last few scenes of MoS, if Clark has not made any progress as a person?

That's basically my question. I was ready for a more proactive Superman, who was ready to take a stance, but start to doubt himself after constant backlash. Instead we get someone who meanders and just looks sullen the whole time.

 

[danoyse]

I am watching MoS. Even with all its warts, I love it so.

I’m not a huge MoS fan, but it was so much better than this.

 

[jmc]

Honest to god, I’m listening to the soundtrack from the 1978 Superman movie right now. It’s like a BvS exorcism.

Try taking a shower as well to get the smell off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I find myself asking this a lot. It makes zero sense. Snyder took the ending of Man of Steel, doubled-down on it, and spat in the face of the movie.

Clark finds an inner peace at the end of MoS. Is it completely gone from BvS? If so, they took a note from Marvel and how they handle Tony Stark. They reset him at the beginning of every movie.

 

[TheScarecrow]

It's difficult for me to contemplate how anyone thought it was a good idea to release this film.

 

[Val_Zod]

I’m not a huge MoS fan, but it was so much better than this.

You know, alot of people were wondering after BvS, people would find more appreciation for that film. It looks like it did, only because BvS looks worse by comparison.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'm actually looking fondly as Superman Returns now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’m not a huge MoS fan, but it was so much better than this.

 

[The Joker]

Honest to god, I’m listening to the soundtrack from the 1978 Superman movie right now. It’s like a BvS exorcism.

Try taking a shower as well to get the smell off.

 

[hafizbat]

I haven't seen it yet. But I had to pick the most "heroic" characters in a superhero flick that I have seen, I'd go with Cap in TWS, Clark Kent in Superman II, Bruce in TDK and Charles in First Class.

Maguire's Spider-Man was heroic as well.