BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 9

[MadVillainy]

she obviously just is one of those people who likes the negative perception of her and sees it as "Doesnt matter if you're saying bad things about me. You're still talking about me" troll/Nicole Arbour types. I don't get how people can like being like that.

Best thing to do is just ignore her.

 

[Consona]

*I* can easily explain that. However, you might not like my explanation. It starts with "grossly biased audience".

My casual moviegoers friends who don't read comics, don't even know something like Rotten Tomatoes exists, are so grossly biased. Yea, sure...

she obviously just is one of those people who likes the negative perception of her and sees it as "Doesnt matter if you're saying bad things about me. You're still talking about me" troll/Nicole Arbour types. I don't get how people can like being like that.

Not according to my observations. But I don't know her too well/personally, so what do I know who she really is?..

Grace Randolph compared DC fans who don't like BvS with "abusers". Any credibility she's had is gone.

She also threw a giant fit to demand Fox release a PG-13 Deadpool. That was just funny, but the "abusers" comment was almost tragic.

She's coming off as a crackpot.

Source? Because I've learned my lesson with the guy in the video and guys on the twitter who twisted her words and responded to something she did not say, so...

PG-13 Deadpool was one of those really weird ideas, yea. But she made a clear argument in her video why she thought it would be good to have a PG-13 version. I can see her point but I just don't thing there needs to be a version for people who are under the R rating age... They'll watch it anyway, maybe not in the cinema, but, you know, just buy the DVD or whatever.

 

[Wylie Times]

PG-13 Deadpool was one of those really weird ideas, yea. But she made a clear argument in her video why she thought it would be good to have a PG-13 version. I can see her point but I just don't thing there needs to be a version for people who are under the R rating age... They'll watch it anyway, maybe not in the cinema, but, you know, just buy the DVD or whatever.

The most idiotic part of her pushing for a PG-13 Deadpool was the fact that she hadn't even seen the R Rated cut. The moment the first red band trailer came out she started complaining about the film being R rated.

I should also note that one of the things that makes her complaining about Civil War and Batman V Superman being compared in a negative sense is that she constantly does the same thing with her trailer reviews. She'll pick out a s single moment from a trailer and rag on it for trying (and failing) to be like some other movie.

I don't think people dislike Randolph because she has an opinion that differs from other people. It's the fact that her opinions are often ill informed, She criticizes films she hasn't even seen yet, and when she's proven to be wrong instead of just owning up to it she'll try to spin things to make it seem like she isn't.

The way she covered Guardians of the Galaxy is a prime example. She didn't care for the movie and boldly proclaimed that it wouldn't do well at the box office. The OW was strong and instead of admitting she was wrong she claimed people were only going to see the film because of the "message" of the movie and that it would be knocked off by TMNT and wouldn't do well in the long run.

 

[Predator jp]

didn't she complain about the grin WW gave in the movie?

 

[Mad Ones]

She's biased, and extremely salty towards Marvel. Not surprised considering she was fired. It just throws all her credibility out the window knowing she's not impartial.

She's not. She loved TWS, AoU, Iron Man 3, reads and loves Marvel comics, is stoked for Black Panther, etc. If she's so biased toward DC she wouldn't bash the state of DC comics right now, give mixed reviews on MoS and TDKR, or have hesitations regarding Suicide Squad (at least initially).

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm just saying perception of works of art changes over time...

You're absolutely right on that one, chief. In a few months most of the people who like BvS now will have realised it's not a particularly good movie.

 

[marcvader]

You're absolutely right on that one, chief. In a few months most of the people who like BvS now will have realised it's not a particularly good movie.

Just like Last Stand, Phantom Menace and Spidey 3.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Just like Last Stand, Phantom Menace and Spidey 3.

Funny how that works. It's almost like people feel the need to defend bad movies because of personal brand allegiance. The more negative the response, the harder they defend it.

 

[kedrell]

They think determining whether a movie is good or bad is an exercise in sheer willpower. It's not.

 

[FunkMiller]

Just like Last Stand, Phantom Menace and Spidey 3.

Matrix Reloaded, Kingdom of Crystal Skull, Star Trek Into Darkness....

There's quite a lot of these, once you start really thinking about it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Just like Last Stand, Phantom Menace and Spidey 3.

And TASM 2.

 

[kedrell]

Matrix Reloaded, Kingdom of Crystal Skull, Star Trek Into Darkness....

There's quite a lot of these, once you start really thinking about it.

Well those 3 actually got good reviews on the whole.

 

[kedrell]

And TASM 2.

And MoS. This was easy to see coming actually. Same doofus made that as made this.

 

[FunkMiller]

Well those 3 actually got good reviews on the whole.

I meant more in terms of long term fan disappointment. The more time goes by, the crappier these movies seem.

 

[kedrell]

I meant more in terms of long term fan disappointment. The more time goes by, the crappier these movies seem.

I don't disagree about those 3 but there are plenty of films that got the same level of good reviews and didn't degrade like those did or better still they improved over time in people's minds.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Actually SM3 seems a lot better in comparison to BvS. Heck, most comic book movies we thought to be bad can now be seen through the fecal discharged lens of BvS and come off better.

Except Phantom Menace. No film can possibly make that look good.

 

[kedrell]

Yes, SM3 is the best model to judge BvS by. At least in terms of box office runs. Very similar, although I think BvS may end up doing slightly even worse.

 

[dnno1]

Actually SM3 seems a lot better in comparison to BvS. Heck, most comic book movies we thought to be bad can now be seen through the fecal discharged lens of BvS and come off better.

Except Phantom Menace. No film can possibly make that look good.

Yes, SM3 is the best model to judge BvS by. At least in terms of box office runs. Very similar, although I think BvS may end up doing slightly even worse.

There is no comparison. Superman III was a clear disappointment in that they expected the film to make more than Superman II, which was a disappointment as far as its box office numbers compared to Superman: the Movie. BvS had better numbers than MoS so I don't see the correlation to Superman III.

 

[Boy Scout]

You're absolutely right on that one, chief. In a few months most of the people who like BvS now will have realised it's not a particularly good movie.

I think you're being unfair. There are people out there who genuinely like the movie. They exist here and in real life. I know, because I've met a few.

I don't want the people who like DOJ to be treated like the people who didn't like MOS. People like what they like and dislike what they dislike. That's fine. We don't have to understand it, but we should at least respect it.

 

[Orba]

There is no comparison. Superman III was a clear disappointment in that they expected the film to make more than Superman II, which was a disappointment as far as its box office numbers compared to Superman: the Movie. BvS had better numbers than MoS so I don't see the correlation to Superman III.

I think they are talking about Spider-Man 3, not Superman III.

 

[danoyse]

Funny how that works. It's almost like people feel the need to defend bad movies because of personal brand allegiance. The more negative the response, the harder they defend it.

Or defend it - after the reviews and the box office drops - with the excuse that "it was all right because it was what *I* wanted to see", rather than admit that the general audience just didn't go for it. I got that one a few weeks ago.

I have a few friends who loved BvS, and I'm happy for them. There's nothing wrong with someone liking a movie you don't. But all the claims that we just didn't get it, or we want some silly superhero movie instead are just a waste of time.

 

[MadVillainy]

Or defend it - after the reviews and the box office drops - with the excuse that "it was all right because it was what *I* wanted to see", rather than admit that the general audience just didn't go for it. I got that one a few weeks ago.

I have a few friends who loved BvS, and I'm happy for them. There's nothing wrong with someone liking a movie you don't. But all the claims that we just didn't get it, or we want some silly superhero movie instead are just a waste of time.

I think it's very telleing how this is going to be received down the line when the main defenses are:
1) You didn't get it/it's too smart for you
2) Claiming that you want things "light and fluffy" like Marvel
3) Saying people need to see the movie 2-4 times to like it once

 

[Kobra]

Or defend it - after the reviews and the box office drops - with the excuse that "it was all right because it was what *I* wanted to see", rather than admit that the general audience just didn't go for it. I got that one a few weeks ago.

I have a few friends who loved BvS, and I'm happy for them. There's nothing wrong with someone liking a movie you don't. But all the claims that we just didn't get it, or we want some silly superhero movie instead are just a waste of time.

I don't see that many people, if any at all, claiming that those who didn't like the movie didn't get it. Not that there aren't people like that, but this idea that us, who enjoyed the movie, claim you didn't because you aren't smart enough to understand it is just ridiculous. I never said anything like that and i usually don't see people saying it either.

I do, however, believe that some movies might just not have the right elements to please the masses at a certain point in time. Not every artistic work is for everybody. This is just a fact. You still have a big percentage of people who loved the movie. Are they stupid? Dumb? Or are they simply able to enjoy a certain type of movie that rubs a lot of other people the wrong way?

It's not that people don't understand the movie. The problem with this movie, aside from being flawed on several levels, which isn't unusual in a superhero film, even in those that receive decent reviews, is that it had unreal expectations around it. Around the story, the characteristics of the characters, the visuals, etc. Expectations that movies like Ant-Man or Thor never had, because most people don't know enough, or care enough about Thor to nitpick the hell out of it and complain about the character not being exactly the version they hoped for.

Batman and Superman are always going to be more controversial than any other character. Doesn't mean you can't make a crowd pleaser with these characters. But i honestly believe it's going to be a lot tougher than with any other characters. The movie isn't perfect. But it isn't the piece of garbage that some people claim.

 

[Slade W]

I don't think Grace Randolph is biased, I have seen her praise and criticise both Marvel and DC. It is just that there are some Marvel and DC fans who are sensitive and precious and don't deal with their favourite movies being criticised very well. That is all there is to it really.

 

[Kobra]

I don't think Grace Randolph is biased, I have seen her praise and criticise both Marvel and DC. Marvel and DC fans are just sensitive and precious and don't deal with their favourite movies being criticised very well. That is all there is to it really.

Although she is defending a movie i like, i do find her kind of goofy and dumb. It's the type of person i would never listen to. She doesn't seem to have anything clever to say.