Days of Future Past "By The Goddess!": The Official Storm Discussion - Part 3

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Nope. Looks corny, and her line delivery is bad.

I agree her line delivery was bad but when she got to the windows and just shattered them it was amazing I dont understand how you dont like it. It just showed off her power.
 
I agree her line delivery was bad but when she got to the windows and just shattered them it was amazing I dont understand how you dont like it. It just showed off her power.
Because it looked weak to start, and it is aging worse and worse. Plus Berry doesn't sell it one bit.
 
Are you saying that it started off weak thats why you lost interest in it??
 
I always wanted Storm flying in movies but in X-2 there were no scenes where Storm could fly IMO.
 
I think with the budget that they had they did a good job. yea i look at Xmen and say that looks cheap but its not like they had so much money they made do with what they had.
 
I thought it looked great in X-Men, but god-damn how did that line make it all the way to the finished film?
 
I think with the budget that they had they did a good job. yea i look at Xmen and say that looks cheap but its not like they had so much money they made do with what they had.
Ok, but that doesn't change how it looks. And how it looks and how it was executed does not work for me.
 
The only thing that I didnt like was how awkward she was coming out of the elevator and like I said some cheap shots, but all in all I thought it was a great movie.
 
Ok, and that is you. I have watched a lot of film and it doesn't work for me.
 
I wasnt pushing my admiration for the scene on you I was just explaining that I liked it. YOu responded to me so I was trying to figure why you felt that way.
 
How does that change how it looks? Even if you consider it executed properly, it doesn't look good.

In my experience, the complaints about the wire work in the elevator shaft scene in X-Men, and the wire work in The Last Stand, the points to which I was initially responding, have everything to do with proper execution and therefore how they look.
 
I wasnt pushing my admiration for the scene on you I was just explaining that I liked it. YOu responded to me so I was trying to figure why you felt that way.
Which is fine. But I don't think that changes the reality of how it looks/execution.

In my experience, the complaints about the wire work in the elevator shaft scene in X-Men, and the wire work in The Last Stand, the points to which I was initially responding, have everything to do with proper execution and therefore how they look.
Ok, but it doesn't look good imo. Especially considering what they were trying to convey with each instance.
 
Was the wire work in X1 bad? Yes, but that scene where she goes full throttle on Toad is one of the best in the movie she looked amazing and actually had a confidence when she walked. The part where she's walking outside and lifts her arms as the wind obliterates the glass doors is classic Storm.
 
I dunno, I always liked that the Toad line in X1. It's fun & badass.

Do you, Halle. I'm psyched she's back.
 
I always wanted Storm flying in movies but in X-2 there were no scenes where Storm could fly IMO.
Truism. She could have exited the jet and destroyed the misses with lightning and flown while doing it.
I think with the budget that they had they did a good job. yea i look at Xmen and say that looks cheap but its not like they had so much money they made do with what they had.

Was the wire work in X1 bad? Yes, but that scene where she goes full throttle on Toad is one of the best in the movie she looked amazing and actually had a confidence when she walked. The part where she's walking outside and lifts her arms as the wind obliterates the glass doors is classic Storm.
Agreed I think that scene was the only time they really got her powers right. And due to lack of budget I think Singer did a fine job.
 
Skywalker needs to leave,before he starts a mess.

You dont like Storm or Halle,almost every chance You get,you have something negative to say about her.Please take your ass back to the Jlaw threads and go fanboy over her.

I'm not here for the trolling and petty comments like your first one on this page
 
Just for the record I dont hate Halle but IMO, Halle is beautiful but she is really just an ok actress not phenomenal. There isnt a movie in which I seen Halle pull of regal,every movie Ive seen her in its like Halle playing Halle.


I disagree.

I'm starting to wonder who do they think Halle is in real life?

Lol

Her characters are never the same.
 
Wire work is a necessary evil. I am criticizing more about the finishing details that should make the wire work look believable.

For example, the jerky wire work could actually work for Storm's on screen power displays. Why? Because wind is a rocky, volatile element. Therefore Storm's flight should have less precision than say someone who is graceful like Superman.

Exactly

Every character achieves flight differently
 
I disagree.

I'm starting to wonder who do they think Halle is in real life?

Lol

Her characters are never the same.
I don't like Halles portrayal as Storm very much (yet maybe?) but even I know she can pull off a transformation into her characters. Her performance in Their Eyes Were Watching God brought me to tears.
 
This is for Lightning Strikes

You talked about bad wire work,and rushed production,and missing little details like Storms eyes but you do know every time she uses her powers they dont always turn?

I think she can turn on and off.When her eyes turn white she sees energy.
But for little effort like lifting herself.... Nah,not necessary.
 
I liked almost all of the Storm's scenes in the movies. Even when there were obvious limitations because of budget or the technology available at the time.

X1 is fine - and especially for a $75m budget movie whose release was pushed forward by 6 months.

I liked that its plot was original and not a classic X-Men story (although Magneto did do something similar in an Inhumans story where he built a Universe Machine for turning all humanity into mutants). That means the geeks are kept guessing and can't predict the outcome based on the comics.
 
Well, I never expected to "see" wind since it's invisible. But the effects of it should be seen. It was just inconsistent.

But that's the point; the effect or the idea of "wind" is present in pretty much every sequence, either visibly or via auditory effect.

In the third act at Alcatraz you can see her hair being blown back as she rises (before Callisto jumps her). But later, when Logan told her to go so he could confront Jean, she just took off like Superman: her eyes stayed brown and there was not even a hint of breeze effect on her or Logan.

Actually, when Logan tells her to go, you can hear what might well be a wind effect as she takes off and her cape blows, and her hair moves as well, in what might well be wind. Actually, everyone's hair is blowing due to what Phoenix is doing, including Magneto's.

Its hard to say in terms of the sound effect, because Phoenix is also kicking up wind and her powers have their own "fiery wind" effect.

But listen to the sound during the shot of Storm taking off and look how it matches up visually; I don't think it can be discounted as Jean's "power effect" outright. Even if it was, you could argue Jean's power simply drowns out any wind Storm may have mustered.

Earlier in the battle, the angle is such that you can't really see her eyes well enough to tell whether they're supposed to be whited out when she takes off before Callisto attacks her, or if she's just looking up as she starts to rise into the air. She's summoning lightning and thunder as she continues to rise, and her eyes are opaque when Callisto does attack her, but that follows, because she's making a storm at that point.

This detail was also missed in the Danger Room sequence: she was channeling her powers--even transporting Logan with her in one instance--and yet her eyes never went white. If they have to go white when she clears fog at Alkali Lake, when she went airborne at Jean Grey's home, or summons dozens of tornadoes in X2, consistency would suggest the same for the above instances

I don't think it was missed. I think it was very much intentional.

The white eyes have always been used for dramatic effect. For when Storm is making storms.

Storm's eyes, during the franchise, tend to only white out when something very dramatic regarding her storm creation is happening. There were less dramatic moments for her as well when she used her powers in the film, and her eyes didn't white out during these moments.

Also, the film shows that Storm doesn't necessarily even have to concentrate anymore in order for her emotions to change the weather. The scene where she's creating dark clouds while lost in thought, for instance. She's got her eyes open, and they're not white.

The overall inference in X3 is that her powers are growing, and she requires less effort in general to use them. More to the point, she only has to do so to create storms. Flight looks pretty effortless and routine for her by comparison.

We only see her eyes white out when she's actually creating storms, or the elements of storms. Not when she's just making wind.

And since, prior to X3, we never really saw her fly without lightning, thunder, etc present as well, we don't really know if she has to concentrate that hard to summon only wind. It would appear she doesn't based on the evidence.

Storm's flight abilities are not innate like Superman's: it takes controlled effort. Think about it: to hoist a 100-plus pound object in the air takes a significant gale force. That's why I mentioned the X1 elevator sequence: there was a LOT of wind moving which is why her decending on Toad looked all the more realistic and scary.

And that's all well and good, wanting the wind effects, but in the Danger Room sequence, there's a LOT going on in the scene. Multiple lasers, multiple explosions, sediment in the air. A more visible "wind" effect than Storm being carried herself and her cape billowing might have been a bit much to take in during that visually heavy sequence. But they did put in the billowing and the sound effect.

Of course, I respect one has to suspend some disbelief. But I do believe that X3's production was a bit inconsistent on those details. The production was so rushed. I also think the producers knew it too; that's why some of the worst examples got cut. One was a "tidal wave" sequence where Storm is floating in mid air and nothing is blowing at all.

I dunno...in that tidal wave sequence, her cape is billowing quite a lot as she rises into the air AND you can hear the wind sound effect as she takes off. Her cape continues to oscillate while she's up there. The deleted "tidal wave" sequence has a single brief shot where her cape doesn't appear to be blowing much, but its still sort of moving. And that could even be down to the fact that its raining around her, and the cape might just be weighted down or something.
 
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Compared to the other X-films? I did, and that's why people criticize its follow up more. Ian McKellen levitating and rotating in Cerebro? Better than Halle Berry levitating in the elevator shaft in X-Men or Jean Grey levitating in The Last Stand. There isn't a hitch in McKellen's movement.

And there's a reason for that.

It's supposed to be an operatic, graceful moment about a man who has mastered his powers and might as well be directing a symphony with them.

Magneto's power usage is SUPPOSED to be more graceful. Especially in that sequence, which is dancelike. He's used his powers with almost surgical precision throughout the franchise.

Whereas Jean and Storm's powers are far more voilatile and violent, however, simply based on the nature of them.

It's got nothing to do with "bad wirework". It's a choice made by the production team on purpose to convey certain things.

If you're suspended by wind, there's going to be some "wobbling". And there's an inner "struggle" inherent to Dark Phoenix's power usage that is reflected in some of her wirework and power usage.
 
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