The Dark Knight Rises Can it be topped?

[The Englishman]

I just noticed a-lot of those lines were already discussed. Sorry if I repeated anything.

Also, The Scarecrow lines about "You need to lighten up" and everything have been mentioned by others saying it's cheesy but that part has never bothered me in the slightest. The character of the Scarecrow is so beautifully played and convincingly scary that those lines just work for me. He's in control and cocky relishing in his taking Batman down so he's saying some over the top villian crap. Works for me and actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

I totally agree...

 

[Gianakin_]

And that's CHEASY???.. Hmm, ok.

Yeah, they pretty much were. They took out of the seriousness of the moment, they were residues from the 80s in tone, and not in a funny way.

 

[Gianakin_]

I totally agree...

Yeah, that part never bothered me either. As well as some other one-liners. They were definitely not all bad, imo.

 

[Mister H.]

I love how the TDK fans like to point out all of the "one-liners" in BB, while failing to acknowledge the horrible dialogue in TDK.

Some lines in TDK that, IMO, surpass any of the corniness in BB:

- "We'll be like turkeys on Thanksgiving down here."

- "Have a nice trip, see you next fall."

- "Is that a...bazooka?"

- "If you want to kill a public servant Mr. Maroni, I suggest you buy American."

Not to mention every single line of dialogue in the entire bank heist scene is just oozing cheese, as well as most of the banal offerings of the nearly comical "love triangle" between Bruce, Rachel, and Harvey.

But again, these are summer tentpoles, and the audience is supposed to have fun. Even the great Hitchcock himself talked about the need for humor, and the importance it plays even in the most suspenseful film. Sometimes, after a very intense sequence (which is when almost all of Nolan's one-liners are utilized) a little giggle is needed, a release. You want the audience on a roller coaster, not a relentless climb up the first hill, especially in these popcorn movies. And again, people talk like that sometimes. I hear people make wisecracks and smartass remarks quite often, its not that unrealisitc for people to say humorous things from time to time.

One last thing, stop blaming Goyer for the cheesy one-liners. It's moronic. The scripts are polished up by Christopher Nolan, he is in control of what is said and what isn't said on camera, nobody else. And what makes folks think he didn't come up with some of those one-liners on his own? You can't give the man credit for these so-called "brilliant" scripts, yet blame him for the lines of dialogue you want to cherry-pick to back up your personal opinion that one film is better than the other.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

I love how the TDK fans like to point out all of the "one-liners" in BB, while failing to acknowledge the horrible dialogue in TDK.

Some lines in TDK that, IMO, surpass any of the corniness in BB:

- "We'll be like turkeys on Thanksgiving down here."

- "Have a nice trip, see you next fall."

- "Is that a...bazooka?"

- "If you want to kill a public servant Mr. Maroni, I suggest you buy American."

Not to mention every single line of dialogue in the entire bank heist scene is just oozing cheese, as well as most of the banal offerings of the nearly comical "love triangle" between Bruce, Rachel, and Harvey.

But again, these are summer tentpoles, and the audience is supposed to have fun. Even the great Hitchcock himself talked about the need for humor, and the importance it plays even in the most suspenseful film. Sometimes, after a very intense sequence (which is when almost all of Nolan's one-liners are utilized) a little giggle is needed, a release. You want the audience on a roller coaster, not a relentless climb up the first hill, especially in these popcorn movies. And again, people talk like that sometimes. I hear people make wisecracks and smartass remarks quite often, its not that unrealisitc for people to say humorous things from time to time.

One last thing, stop blaming Goyer for the cheesy one-liners. It's moronic. The scripts are polished up by Christopher Nolan, he is in control of what is said and what isn't said on camera, nobody else. And what makes folks think he didn't come up with some of those one-liners on his own? You can't give the man credit for these so-called "brilliant" scripts, yet blame him for the lines of dialogue you want to cherry-pick to back up your personal opinion that one film is better than the other.

- "We'll be like turkeys on Thanksgiving down here." ----Agree with this one. Everything out of that dudes mouth was annoying.

- "Have a nice trip, see you next fall."-----This did not bother me at all as it was coming from kind of an old school cop character. He's a 20 year man so he's behind the times with his sayings. No big deal to me there.

- "Is that a...bazooka?"-----Yeah that guy sucks.

- "If you want to kill a public servant Mr. Maroni, I suggest you buy American."-----Absouletely no issue with this line either. It's actually a clever and well executed. Course we all have our opinions.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

I love how the TDK fans like to point out all of the "one-liners" in BB, while failing to acknowledge the horrible dialogue in TDK.

Some lines in TDK that, IMO, surpass any of the corniness in BB:

- "We'll be like turkeys on Thanksgiving down here."

- "Have a nice trip, see you next fall."

- "Is that a...bazooka?"

- "If you want to kill a public servant Mr. Maroni, I suggest you buy American."

Not to mention every single line of dialogue in the entire bank heist scene is just oozing cheese, as well as most of the banal offerings of the nearly comical "love triangle" between Bruce, Rachel, and Harvey.

But again, these are summer tentpoles, and the audience is supposed to have fun. Even the great Hitchcock himself talked about the need for humor, and the importance it plays even in the most suspenseful film. Sometimes, after a very intense sequence (which is when almost all of Nolan's one-liners are utilized) a little giggle is needed, a release. You want the audience on a roller coaster, not a relentless climb up the first hill, especially in these popcorn movies. And again, people talk like that sometimes. I hear people make wisecracks and smartass remarks quite often, its not that unrealisitc for people to say humorous things from time to time.

One last thing, stop blaming Goyer for the cheesy one-liners. It's moronic. The scripts are polished up by Christopher Nolan, he is in control of what is said and what isn't said on camera, nobody else. And what makes folks think he didn't come up with some of those one-liners on his own? You can't give the man credit for these so-called "brilliant" scripts, yet blame him for the lines of dialogue you want to cherry-pick to back up your personal opinion that one film is better than the other.

Pointing out the logic about why humour is injected into blockbuster films doesen't make the humour in question reasonable. Because the objection to the comedy isn't that it exsists but rather that it does not work. Speaking for myself, I am all for comic relief but it needs to make me giggle as you say not roll my eyes in disgust. It's a matter of bad writing and yes that is the fault of the writer. After all he's the one that wrote it.

 

[Mister H.]

Pointing out the logic about why humour is injected into blockbuster films doesen't make the humour in question reasonable. Because the objection to the comedy isn't that it exsists but rather that it does not work. Speaking for myself, I am all for comic relief but it needs to make me giggle as you say not roll my eyes in disgust. It's a matter of bad writing and yes that is the fault of the writer. After all he's the one that wrote it.

I don't get it. When did I say it wasn't the fault of the writer? Chris Nolan helps write the stories then writes the final draft of the screenplay. Are you inferring that he is not at fault, and that Goyer is? Because if so, that is moronic, like I said earlier. You don't give Nolan the credit for the good stuff, then give him a pass for the crap. I'm still a little confused by that comment, as I'm not sure who "he" is, as there were two men involved in the writing of BB, and three in TDK.

As far as the one-liners, I never really said whether they actually worked or not, just that there is a logic in it. I heard a lot of laughs in the audience when I saw both films, so it must work on some level, for some viewers. I think there is cringe worthy dialogue sprinkled throughout both of Nolan's bat-films, and part of that is having to cater to the simple mass mind.

 

[Gianakin_]

I love how the TDK fans like to point out all of the "one-liners" in BB, while failing to acknowledge the horrible dialogue in TDK.

If you read carefully, most, if not all, "TDK fanboys" say that the horrible one-liners were fewer in TDK, not completely absent.

 

[The Joker]

Every comic book movie has some cheesy dialogue. Some more than others. I think Begins sticks out more because over the over bearing repetitive use of the word fear.

 

[I Am The Knight]

- "Is that a...bazooka?"

Agreed...Just wanted to point out that if you noticed, most of the offensive dialogue in TDK comes out from this individual. That SWAT guy was a really innapropiate attempt at comedy, and I'm still kinda shocked Nolan thought it would be a good idea to have him provide "commentary" for the audience.

I can let go things like two kids shooting at cars then blowing up, or the guy picking his teeth because I can just imagine that's Nolan going "" to himself but that SWAT guy is the main offender. I do feel in BB everyone is quipping left and right...Not that there's anything wrong with that....

 

[American_Idiot]

Agreed...Lots of fun/cheese in BB, altough most worked for me. To be fair though, I think TDK's **Joker goons intercept Helicopter** "That's not good" **Helicopter crashes and burns** "OK THAT'S NOT GOOD!" is worse than any of those....

Agreed. Like most movies, there were some lines in Begins that had me like "Eh.", but that "Ok, that's NOT good!" line in TDK topped them all for me. I literally cringe at that part.

 

[The Guard]

Because the objection to the comedy isn't that it exsists but rather that it does not work.

This.

Almost every single one liner in the middle of action, is cheap, and unfunny.

What annoys me is that the one liners keep getting inserted into, not scenes that should be serious, which would be okay (And worked with Joker's intro to the mob), but actual MOMENTS that should be serious.

There's a helicopter crashing and rolling toward the cops, and I'm going "Oh my God they'll be crushed", and then Officer Goofy goes "Ok this is NOT good!"

I'm like, are these actors Nolan's friends or something?

Was that guy in the first film?

I get that humor can be used to lessen tension, but this is NOT the time to be doing that. I've seen very few moments in these franchises where the writers get that approach right.

Really?

 

[The Englishman]

One line i really hate in The Dark Knight is...................
"No more dead cops!"

 

[Gianakin_]

One line i really hate in The Dark Knight is...................
"No more dead cops!"

I love that line, not in itself, but because it showed the mentality of the mob (not the criminals, the citizens).

 

[ALP]

I don't get it. When did I say it wasn't the fault of the writer? Chris Nolan helps write the stories then writes the final draft of the screenplay. Are you inferring that he is not at fault, and that Goyer is? Because if so, that is moronic, like I said earlier. You don't give Nolan the credit for the good stuff, then give him a pass for the crap. I'm still a little confused by that comment, as I'm not sure who "he" is, as there were two men involved in the writing of BB, and three in TDK.

As far as the one-liners, I never really said whether they actually worked or not, just that there is a logic in it. I heard a lot of laughs in the audience when I saw both films, so it must work on some level, for some viewers. I think there is cringe worthy dialogue sprinkled throughout both of Nolan's bat-films, and part of that is having to cater to the simple mass mind.

Could not agree more. It's so laughable when people want to only put the blame on Goyer for cheesy lines in Begins. Guess what? If Chris Nolan did not like those lines he would have cut them from the script or cut them out during the editing phase. Goyer should not be the fall guy because Nolan is the one who left the lines in(if he didn't help write them in the first place!) Nolan obviously did not think they were "cheesy" as most of this board does. Unless he wanted Begins to be full of cheesy moments and dialogue

 

[jacobed]

I did not have a problem with many of those lines in BB especially the Scarecrow ones because he seems like the character to have that devilish sense of humor. I agree with everyone on the SWAT member. I mean wow and you can not blame that on Goyer at all, that is all on Nolan and its a shame because that guy is incredibly annoying and comes close to ruining an amazing scene. The only other line I had a problem with was have a nice trip see you next fall. The line doesn't even make sense in the context that it is said in fact the only time I've seen that one liner work is the Power Rangers movie when Kimberly uses her Pink Ranger whip on one of the ooze crow things.

 

[batman11]

This.I'm like, are these actors Nolan's friends or something?

Was that guy in the first film?

"Officer Goofy," as you put it, was in Insomnia I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Not sure if that counts as being "friends" though. Maybe.

 

[Gianakin_]

"Officer Goofy," as you put it, was in Insomnia I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Not sure if that counts as being "friends" though. Maybe.

The "I think Batman deserves a medal" lady and the "Oh, my god, the pressure... it's piking" young fella were the leads in the Following.

 

[ALP]

It's like Bruce Campbell and Raimi's cousins, brothers, and uncles popping up everywhere in his films.

 

[the amazing fro]

It's like Bruce Campbell and Raimi's cousins, brothers, and uncles popping up everywhere in his films.

how else are they gonna work?

 

[ALP]

"Can I can persuade you to take a sandwich sir?

"I'll get drive-thru."

Had that line been in BB or TDK, you guys would be calling for Goyer's head on a platter

 

[El Payaso]

"Can I can persuade you to take a sandwich sir?

"I'll get drive-thru."

Had that line been in BB or TDK, you guys would be calling for Goyer's head on a platter

I'm sorry but that kind of one-liner could have easily been on BB.

 

[Bat-Mite]

"Officer Goofy," as you put it, was in Insomnia I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Not sure if that counts as being "friends" though. Maybe.

Yes, that was Nicky Katt, who played one of the cops in Insomnia. He can act rather decently if he wants to, and I enjoyed the role he played on the show Boston Public, but for some reason he was really hamming it up in TDK.

 

[Travesty]

"Can I can persuade you to take a sandwich sir?

"I'll get drive-thru."

Had that line been in BB or TDK, you guys would be calling for Goyer's head on a platter

That's not a joke, that just shows Alfred's close relationship to Bruce/Batman, in that he is worried that Batman may not have enough sustenance to....ok, ok, I guess it was bad.

 

[El Payaso]

how else are they gonna work?

We need them to stay unemployed.