The Dark Knight Can the dark knight do well INTERNATIONALLY?

[ActuallyRobin]

No, if you talk about that then it's even more embarrassing since it had an "official" budget of $270 million although industry insiders said it was more like $300 million. I'm talking about total domestic divided by opening weekend. It made around $336 million domestically. $151 million of it came in the opening weekend. $336m/$151m = 2.22 multiplier. For comparison, the previous opening weekend record holder Pirates: Dead Man's Chest had a multiplier above 3, which is actually good considering it opened to $135 million. Had Spidey 3 achieved such a multiplier, it would have made over $450 million domestically.

ahhh i see, thanks for the explanation.

 

[jmc]

that is not the point

spidey 3 has made its money

lets just hope tdk can make some too, for a sequel to get green lit

Batman Begins will be remembered in 20 years time, that is the true mark of of how good a film is, Spiderman 3 will be forever be relegated to 'The Worst Sequels" lists.

 

[redfirebird2008]

ahhh i see, thanks for the explanation.

A multiplier is an indication of how much people enjoyed a film. The higher a film's multiplier, the more times people went to see it. Any film can have a crapload of marketing but in order to truly have a great run at the box office you need to impress viewers so that they will spend money on it more than once. Spidey 3 and X-Men 3 both have awful multipliers, precisely because Sony and Fox marketed the living hell out of them knowing full well that people would hate them and not come back to the theater again. Studios get around 90% of the opening weekend money, so Sony received around $136 million of Spidey 3's opening weekend. After that, they get around half of the domestic sales. So domestically Sony got around $230 million total from Spidey 3.

 

[ActuallyRobin]

so SM3 had a huge opener then a massive drop off meaning people thought "oooh this sounds ok, I'll go see that" then didn't like it and didn't go again?

I must admit I've only been back to see a film in the cinema once, and that was for Two Towers.

Batman Begins will be remembered in 20 years time, that is the true mark of of how good a film is, Spiderman 3 will be forever be relegated to 'The Worst Sequels" lists.

too right

 

[Doomofman]

so SM3 had a huge opener then a massive drop off meaning people thought "oooh this sounds ok, I'll go see that" then didn't like it and didn't go again?

I must admit I've only been back to see a film in the cinema once, and that was for Two Towers

I saw Transformers 5 times... 300 3 times..

 

[ActuallyRobin]

can everyone start hyphenating Spider-Man plx

I watch films heaploads of times over and over on DVD thought if I liked it at cinema

 

[lixdexia]

can everyone start hyphenating Spider-Man plx

I watch films heaploads of times over and over on DVD thought if I liked it at cinema

...no, i like spiderman...bat-man used to be hyphenated too, but it disapeared.

i saw bb 9 times in the theater (3 times in 1 day), personal record

 

[redfirebird2008]

i dont particualry like spiderman 3

but money talks

thats why marvel is ahead of dc in the movie market

dc has the best super hereos but their movie lack the x factor on the bo

The "x factor" is that the average moviegoer is an idiot. If you think cheesy movies with Stan Lee cameos are good, then suit yourself. I think Marvel puts out garbage and it's just proof of how stupid the world is getting. So is Shrek 3 and so is Transformers. By the way, DC is by no means immune. They have put out plenty of garbage: Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Catwoman, Superman Returns, etc.

 

[ActuallyRobin]

the way i see it, its supposed to be hypenated since Spider-Man is kinda part spider, whereas Batman is just a man who takes on the persona of a bat, so no hyphen needed. Back to the regular thread

 

[The Joker]

i dont particualry like spiderman 3

but money talks

Money doesn't talk. Some of the most lame and mediocre movies have made millions more at the box office than some genuinely great movies have.

That's why the box office doesn't mean jack. The only thing it's good for is making a decent profit so a movie can be considered a success, and can greenlight sequals for movies that require a sequal.

In Batman's case, that always happens. It always makes a decent profit. The last thing I look at when seeing if a movie was good or not is the box office numbers. I read people's reviews of the movie. Movie goers, critics etc.

That's how you get a real idea of how good a movie is.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Money doesn't talk. Some of the most lame and mediocre movies have made millions more at the box office than some genuinely great movies have.

That's why the box office doesn't mean jack. The only thing it's good for is making a decent profit so a movie can be considered a success, and can greenlight sequals for movies that require a sequal.

In Batman's case, that always happens. It always makes a decent profit. The last thing I look at when seeing if a movie was good or not is the box office numbers. I read people's reviews of the movie. Movie goers, critics etc.

That's how you get a real idea of how good a movie is.

Batman & Robin was a financial failure. The other Batman movies have all been financial successes.

 

[jmc]

i dont particualry like spiderman 3

but money talks

thats why marvel is ahead of dc in the movie market

dc has the best super hereos but their movie lack the x factor on the bo

Marvel's characters, with the exception of X1& 2 and SM1&2 have been turned into one dimensional puppets, they're movies have been catered for Generation X-box, lots of explosions and crap story, heaven forbid someone try and do a serious take on a character where people actually have to concentrate on what's going on, it's the continual dumbing down of cinema. It's junk food cinema and peoples brains are getting fatter because of it. Their films can make all the money in the world but they're candy coated crap which again, no-one will care about in 5 years time.

 

[lixdexia]

The "x factor" is that the average moviegoer is an idiot. If you think cheesy movies with Stan Lee cameos are good, then suit yourself. I think Marvel puts out garbage and it's just proof of how stupid the world is getting. So is Shrek 3 and so is Transformers. By the way, DC is by no means immune. They have put out plenty of garbage: Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Catwoman, Superman Returns, etc.

i think part of the problem is the same as the reason marvel did so well in the 60's and 70's. their characters are intially more relatible.

 

[turtlefocker]

I just hope it makes more than BB

 

[ActuallyRobin]

yeh B&R screwed things up good and only Nolan could persuade WB to make a new one. and since BB did well TDK is being made, I'm sure TDK will do well, so another film is almost certain to be greenlit

 

[lixdexia]

the way i see it, its supposed to be hypenated since Spider-Man is kinda part spider, whereas Batman is just a man who takes on the persona of a bat, so no hyphen needed. Back to the regular thread

LOL, ok, agree to disagree

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

i think part of the problem is the same as the reason marvel did so well in the 60's and 70's. their characters are intially more relatible.

Batman is much more reletable than spider-man... sorry, but Batman's themes are more interesting than a swinging man-spider with relationship issues to me.

I mean... i would never read a hulk comic and go...'i just think that i have so much in common with bruce banner... um green is my favourite colour i suppose'

 

[regwec]

I live in Britain, and my social group is composed of males and females between 18 and 40 years old; many will concede the inherent coolness of Batman, but none would ever be associated with Spiderman, Superman etc.

 

[lixdexia]

Batman is much more reletable than spider-man... sorry, but Batman's themes are more interesting than a swinging man-spider with relationship issues to me.

I mean... i would never read a hulk comic and go...'i just think that i have so much in common with bruce banner... um green is my favourite colour i suppose'

i much prefer batman and do find him much more intresting, but it's hard to put myself in his shoes since i'm not a multi-billionare playboy. i can relate to banner's anger and having to repress his feelingsfor fear of doing something terrible. i can also relate to a nerdy kid with girl problems, which is part of the appeal of the marvel characters. you could delude yourself into thinking that if someone accidentaly poured some radio active waste on you you could be one of these guys, whereas i'll never be from the planet kypton or be formed out of clay.

 

[redfirebird2008]

yeh B&R screwed things up good and only Nolan could persuade WB to make a new one. and since BB did well TDK is being made, I'm sure TDK will do well, so another film is almost certain to be greenlit

I find it funny that Chris Nolan had more control over Batman Begins than Sam Raimi over Spider-Man 3. You'd think after 1 and 2's box office success, Raimi would have complete control, but he didn't. They forced Venom onto him even though he was against the idea. And consequently, he raped the character and turned Venom into a 3rd rate villain in a 3rd rate movie. Nolan had almost complete control over Batman Begins. The only thing I think they told him to do was add a semi-love interest to the story. Otherwise, it's Nolan and Goyer's vision 100% on the screen. Hopefully with Goyer gone, the Nolan brothers can write some better dialogue and I am certain that there will be more action for all the brain dead idiots out there. I just hope the story kicks ass, kinda like The Prestige which was also written by Jonah Nolan.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

i much prefer batman and do find him much more intresting, but it's hard to put myself in his shoes since i'm not a multi-billionare playboy. i can relate to banner's anger and having to repress his feelingsfor fear of doing something terrible. i can also relate to a nerdy kid with girl problems, which is part of the appeal of the marvel characters. you could delude yourself into thinking that if someone accidentaly poured some radio active waste on you you could be one of these guys, whereas i'll never be from the planet kypton or be formed out of clay.

I feel many could relate to Batman because of how it deals with death and how others deal with death... which is common in everyones life.

Its just taken a step further. We each have our own ways to grieve... this is Bruce's

 

[redfirebird2008]

I can relate to Spidey in the sense of all the daily problems he faces. But as a human beging, I cannot relate to someone who turns into some kind of spider-freak. In this sense, Batman is the only superhero that any of us can relate to on a human level. Batman can die much easier than any other superhero. At the same time though, he is also far removed from our reality in that he's a rich mutha****a. That being said, a rich person could theoretically pull it off. It could be done, so that alone makes the character more fascinating to me than any other.

 

[lixdexia]

I find it funny that Chris Nolan had more control over Batman Begins than Sam Raimi over Spider-Man 3. You'd think after 1 and 2's box office success, Raimi would have complete control, but he didn't. They forced Venom onto him even though he was against the idea. And consequently, he raped the character and turned Venom into a 3rd rate villain in a 3rd rate movie. Nolan had almost complete control over Batman Begins. The only thing I think they told him to do was add a semi-love interest to the story. Otherwise, it's Nolan and Goyer's vision 100% on the screen. Hopefully with Goyer gone, the Nolan brothers can write some better dialogue and I am certain that there will be more action for all the brain dead idiots out there. I just hope the story kicks ass, kinda like The Prestige which was also written by Jonah Nolan.

you mean you didn't like lines like "it not who i am underneath but what i do that defines me?" seriously, that line still bothers the crap out of me. it just doesn't fit...

 

[lixdexia]

I can relate to Spidey in the sense of all the daily problems he faces. But as a human beging, I cannot relate to someone who turns into some kind of spider-freak. In this sense, Batman is the only superhero that any of us can relate to on a human level. Batman can die much easier than any other superhero. At the same time though, he is also far removed from our reality in that he's a rich mutha****a. That being said, a rich person could theoretically pull it off. It could be done, so that alone makes the character more fascinating to me than any other.

indeed.i whole heartedly agree with this, but i was comenting on why marvel movies tend to do better than dc movies as a whole right now, not just batman movies

 

[redfirebird2008]

indeed.i whole heartedly agree with this, but i was comenting on why marvel movies tend to do better than dc movies as a whole right now, not just batman movies

Well, I'm not much of a comics fan at all so I couldn't care less about DC or Marvel to be quite honest with you. Batman, Spidey, and X-Men (mainly just Wolverine because he's basically another Batman) are about the only comic characters that I like, although I have some big problems with how Raimi did the Spidey series. I would love to see how Nolan would handle dark Spidey/Venom. That movie was supposed to be dark if you believed the marketing, yet it turned out to be 100% cheese and camp.