Chapter 6: "The Line" Discussion 10/29/07

[Abaddon]

There is no voice in his head.

 

[PLAS]

Yeah...and its become a schizophrenic voice in his head.

did you actually pay attention to the show? both he and Matt were put inside the same room by Mr Parkman and he showed them their worst nightmares, you did figure out that Matt's dad has a way much more evolved version of his son's power, right?

and here's something you might not even have noticed: Matt's powers had an unintended upgrade when he managed to break through the illusion his father had cast on them and actually going into Nathan's mind to break him out of his illusion (that's the kind of stuff I love about the show, big changes in very subtle ways)

hope that clears that up

 

[Neptune]

Yeah that scene was great.

 

[Mysterio]

did you actually pay attention to the show? both he and Matt were put inside the same room by Mr Parkman and he showed them their worst nightmares, you did figure out that Matt's dad has a way much more evolved version of his son's power, right?

did you? what Nathan saw was taking place in his head. the dialogue from scarred Nathan took place in Nathan's head. Parkman wasn't saying those lines.

 

[Neptune]

I think that was all mr. Parkman's doing. Not a Nathan/Jathan (Jessica+Nathan = Jathan) thing.

 

[Mysterio]

I don't think Parkman put that dialogue there. He is the nightmare man; he turns people's fears on themselves. his victims are the ones who supply the setting, the dialogue, etc.

 

[Saved]

did you actually pay attention to the show? both he and Matt were put inside the same room by Mr Parkman and he showed them their worst nightmares, you did figure out that Matt's dad has a way much more evolved version of his son's power, right?

and here's something you might not even have noticed: Matt's powers had an unintended upgrade when he managed to break through the illusion his father had cast on them and actually going into Nathan's mind to break him out of his illusion (that's the kind of stuff I love about the show, big changes in very subtle ways)

hope that clears that up

No. I sat there and stared at the ceiling.

Since Episode one of this season, Nathan has been seeing "evil him." This was just the first time he talked to it. Ok, I can hate myself too at times for doing the wrong thing. I don't know about you, but when I am made at myself I don't see an evil me in the mirror. I'm just saying this better not be a schizoid thing. I understand the motif of "inner conflict" and thats probably what they are trying to pass this off as. But I don't want another schizophrenic Heroes character. I've noticed season II seems to like to reuse Season I people's abilities...it's one of my few beefs with this season. Notice I said few, cause I do like the season. One of the only people I know who thinks it is kickass right now. And I liked the Nathan conversation thing with himself also. Look at my friggin sig. I'm just saying this better not become a schizophrenic deal.

 

[Abaddon]

People with schizophrenia may hear voices other people don't hear or they may believe that others are reading their minds, controlling their thoughts, or plotting to harm them. These experiences are terrifying and can cause fearfulness, withdrawal, or extreme agitation. People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk, may sit for hours without moving or talking much, or may seem perfectly fine until they talk about what they are really thinking.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/schizophrenia/complete-publication.shtml

n dissociative identity disorder, formerly called multiple personality disorder, two or more identities or personalities alternate.
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch106/ch106d.html

Nathan is not having dissociative episodes. He didn't see an "evil" version of himself in the mirror. What he saw was a scarred version of himself. He keeps seeing it because it represents his guilt about what he believes is Peter's death. The fact that it manifested as a dark side when Nightmare Man was messing with him is because Nathan hasn't really confronted his feelings about what happened, and who he was before then(a jerk) and how it led to the loss of his brother. He's lost everything now and he wants to be redeemed, and the scarred version of himself was basically telling him that he can't change and he cannot be redeemed. It's not a separate personality, it's a manifestation of his feelings.

 

[Saved]

Nathan is not having dissociative episodes. He didn't see an "evil" version of himself in the mirror. What he saw was a scarred version of himself. He keeps seeing it because it represents his guilt about what he believes is Peter's death. The fact that it manifested as a dark side when Nightmare Man was messing with him is because Nathan hasn't really confronted his feelings about what happened, and who he was before then(a jerk) and how it led to the loss of his brother. He's lost everything now and he wants to be redeemed, and the scarred version of himself was basically telling him that he can't change and he cannot be redeemed. It's not a separate personality, it's a manifestation of his feelings.

Ok, read my post. I mentioned I understand that it is probably his inner conflict. What I am saying is this better not become a schizophrenic thing.

Not to be a dick, but read what I post. I hate it when people reiterate the same point without listening to what I said.

 

[Abaddon]

Ok, read my post. I mentioned I understand that it is probably his inner conflict. What I am saying is this better not become a schizophrenic thing.

Not to be a dick, but read what I post. I hate it when people reiterate the same point without listening to what I said.

ok, but if you understand the point, then why are you are you still concerned? It's not going to be a Niki/Jessica thing.

 

[Saved]

ok, but if you understand the point, then why are you are you still concerned? It's not going to be a Niki/Jessica thing.

You don't know that. I don't know that. Not 100% anyway. I also mentioned that they seem sot like to reuse Season I powers. I am just saying they better not make it into split personality. Don't know if they will or not, but even if there is a .0000000001% chance, I am still going to say they better not.

 

[Abaddon]

eh, I wouldn't worry about it, but ok.

 

[The Apocalypse]

ok, but if you understand the point, then why are you are you still concerned? It's not going to be a Niki/Jessica thing.

And lets be thankful it won't.

 

[rdh007]

and here's something you might not even have noticed: Matt's powers had an unintended upgrade when he managed to break through the illusion his father had cast on them and actually going into Nathan's mind to break him out of his illusion (that's the kind of stuff I love about the show, big changes in very subtle ways)

Parkman's old man said "It starts out with mind reading." or something to that effect. Again, I'm loving this part of the show. Everybody can relate to daddy issues and some (myself obviously) can understand the attempt to become a better person than your old man.

 

[fu manchu]

3 minutes preview "THE LINE"

[YT]287y-IcHZEg[/YT]

 

[NateGray]

3 minutes preview "THE LINE"

Looks fanfriggintastic t:

 

[Matt]

Looks like his Russian mentor is being played by Elya Baskin, the actor some of you might remember as the character, Mr. Ditkovitch from Spider-Man 2 and 3 he was Peter's landlord in both of the films.

Here's the Canadian preview of the episode that shows a couple of things that have already been said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrjJcakAFSk

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/1802...tml?path=pgallery&path_key=Baskin, Elya&seq=2

And it looks like it was him that Noah was punching in the clip from s2e1 and not Linderman, I guess he's really dead or won't be back till later.

Do you think his Russian mentor will constantly be demanding the rent?

 

[Otacon®]

No, I say you he be dead after about being on screen for 10 minutes or so.

 

[Sawyer]

Is it just me or would the show be better without Claire? Or, better yet, West. She is eyecandy, but this mondays episode without her was pretty great. I think she just needs to get out of all this highschool crap.

 

[Saved]

Is it just me or would the show be better without Claire? Or, better yet, West. She is eyecandy, but this mondays episode without her was pretty great. I think she just needs to get out of all this highschool crap.

Dude...thats one of the reasons why people like this show. The majority audience is teens and young adults. Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone watching the show hates it too. Many comics are popular solely cause they appeal to the majority of the market. Teens and young adults. The is true with Heroes.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Do you think his Russian mentor will constantly be demanding the rent?

"Eyes...like a rodent!" HAHA

 

[Sawyer]

Dude...thats one of the reasons why people like this show. The majority audience is teens and young adults. Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone watching the show hates it too. Many comics are popular solely cause they appeal to the majority of the market. Teens and young adults. The is true with Heroes.

Yeah, but the whole *****y cheerleader/stalker boyfriend thing was kinda done last year. Sure, this time the boyfriend has powers, but still lame.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Is it just me or would the show be better without Claire? Or, better yet, West. She is eyecandy, but this mondays episode without her was pretty great. I think she just needs to get out of all this highschool crap.

Ummmmm...no. Claire is great and I like West as well. They're an essential part of the show. Everyone of the characters is in a different place. Claire and West show the trying to be normal part of having powers. While the adults deal with the heavy stuff like viruses and murderers.

That Aside...Claire is sweet and rocks. An I like West's swagger, he's confident and cool. He reminds me of a young Wally West, back when he was cool.

so, in closing...there's nothing wrong with high school. Its a time everyone can relate to. I liked the setting on buffy and I like it on Heroes, besides, they spend about what...10 mins on them per episode? Half of which doesn't take place extensively at school anyway, so what's the big deal? Young people go to school. It's where they belong...they can't sit at home and kick it with Mr Muggles. t:

Oh and that dude last year wasn't a stalker. He was gay. Or he would have been if the actors agent didn't yank him off the show.

 

[Saved]

Ummmmm...no. Claire is great and I like West as well. They're an essential part of the show. Everyone of the characters is in a different place. Claire and West show the trying to be normal part of having powers. While the adults deal with the heavy stuff like viruses and murderers.

That Aside...Claire is sweet and rocks. An I like West's swagger, he's confident and cool. He reminds me of a young Wally West, back when he was cool.

so, in closing...there's nothing wrong with high school. Its a time everyone can relate to. I liked the setting on buffy and I like it on Heroes, besides, they spend about what...10 mins on them per episode? Half of which doesn't take place extensively at school anyway, so what's the big deal? Young people go to school. It's where they belong...they can't sit at home and kick it with Mr Muggles. t:

Oh and that dude last year wasn't a stalker. He was gay. Or he would have been if the actors agent didn't yank him off the show.

Agree a hundred %, old friend.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Agree a hundred %, old friend.

Thanks for your support, buddy. t: