I figured I ought to link this here, since it has important ramifications as to Skye's identity. In the Episode 15 thread, WT posted a screenshot of some text that was displayed in episode 14, regarding the Guest House. Examining the image, I created a transcription of the screenshot. It mentions three former SHIELD facilities that were supposed to have been shut down: Coventry, Guest House, and Shangri-La. There's a lot of good Easter Egg info there, but the third one applies specifically to Skye. POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD!
Recall, Skye was found in Hunan Province in the late 80s (her medical report at St. Agnes was redacted Apr. '89).
Apparently, S.H.I.E.L.D at one time operated a facility named "Shangri-La" in Hunan Province China. Something happened in 1968 that led to this facility being "officially abandoned", but SHIELD's "inner circle" knew that the base was still "active", with China's cooperation, well into the 1980s. It's not entirely clear to me whether the base was still under SHIELD command at this time, or whether SHIELD just knew the facility was still being used, as was the case with the Guest House.
Either way, this heavily implies that either SHIELD, or whoever else may have controlled this facility at the time, played a direct part in creating Skye. It's no mere coincidence that she first shows up right in the vicinity of a secret SHIELD (or former-SHIELD) facility, and then gets fought over by two warring factions. Or that SHIELD just happened to randomly stumble across an "unknown object" in the middle of nowhere (where they happened to also have a base).
I need to go back and rewatch Seeds now, but as I recall, it was a senior agent who called in an 0-8-4. But the backup team who recovered her, were all rookies, and thus wouldn't have known about Shangri-La. Given SHIELD's propensity for procedure, and information compartmentalization, it strikes me as a distinct possibility that the senior agent lied to the rookie team about Skye's origins being unknown, in order to hide the existence of Shangri-La.
At this point, now I'm starting to lean back towards the Jessica Drew or Carmilla Black theory, although Inhumans, or just an original character are both still possibilities.
Pretty sure the writeup in that screencap is about known HYDRA bases. Which would indicate that Skye is a product of HYDRA engineering/tampering. Which definitely adds more fuel to the Jessica Drew fire.
Pretty sure the writeup in that screencap is about known HYDRA bases. Which would indicate that Skye is a product of HYDRA engineering/tampering. Which definitely adds more fuel to the Jessica Drew fire.
Pretty sure the writeup in that screencap is about known HYDRA bases. Which would indicate that Skye is a product of HYDRA engineering/tampering. Which definitely adds more fuel to the Jessica Drew fire.
well based on what i read about carmilla black it actually seems more possible that is who sky might be rather than jessica drew. what i would like is jessica drew or an inhuman. we shall see maybe by the end of the season
This still leaves room for another possibility though. Skye is from K'un L'un or possibly one of the other "Cities of Heaven", and the reason why she's an 0-8-4 is because she's known to have come from an extra-dimensional place. This would also explain why the locals gave up their lives to save her. Maybe folks from those cities are revered by the folks of that region in Hunan.
This still leaves room for another possibility though. Skye is from K'un L'un or possibly one of the other "Cities of Heaven", and the reason why she's an 0-8-4 is because she's known to have come from an extra-dimensional place. This would also explain why the locals gave up their lives to save her. Maybe folks from those cities are revered by the folks of that region in Hunan.
Well... I think for now, I'm going to go back to the Carmilla Black theory. It makes almost as much sense as Spider Woman, but is much less obvious.
- She's a product of HYDRA genetic tampering. (via former SHIELD base at Shangri-La)
- She's an orphan, and spent time as a runaway.
- She joined SHIELD in an effort to find her parents.
- She's originally from Asia (Carmilla found a document suggesting she was Madripoorian royalty)
- Her non-reaction to the Kree blood? Carmilla is genetically immune to all toxic biological, chemical, and nuclear effects. Presumably, alien serums would count as a toxic biological effect. In this case, the involvement of the Kree specifically is something of red (blue?) herring.
What about Carmilla's "stinger"? We've seen the night-night ICER guns knock people out via a "dendrotoxin" -- a term which they've pointedly used as often as possible. So what if she (somehow...) develops the ability to naturally produce this toxin?
Furthermore, if this identification is true, she should herself be immune to the effect (in TRACKS, she and Fitz avoided getting hit by the effect). Now that the Clairvoyant's mooks are using dendrotoxin grenades, it could come in handy to suddenly discover that Skye is immune.
Bravo! Carmilla Black makes a lot of sense. I'd be down with that. Also, if the Kree was a red herring, I'd be glad. Like Deathlok, I like when a character reveal sneaks up on you.
Plus, who wouldn't want to see Chloe dress up in this:
...but I just don't see that reveal to be a big surprise that will get fans going "WOW!!!" like the kind of surprise you'd get if the surprise would've been Spider-Woman, someone more well known instead, especially after the writers have been building up all this anticipation almost all season.
...but I just don't see that reveal to be a big surprise that will get fans going "WOW!!!" like the kind of surprise you'd get if the surprise would've been Spider-Woman instead, especially after the writers have been building up all this anticipation almost all season.
True enough, but the writers also think that we won't guess it, and the Spider-Woman theory has been around since before day one. It certainly wouldn't surprise me (or bother me) if it were true, but it just seems too obvious.
It's also possible that Spider-Woman wouldn't be on their list of usable characters (based on what future movies might want to do). But mostly I'm just rooting for the under-dog theory.
Would Marvel really leave Chloe Bennet with that much responsibility though? Frickin Spider-Woman? Not that I don't think she can handle it, but that's a pretty big deal. If Marvel/Joss was that confident in Chloe from the beginning then I can totally see Spider-Woman, but Carmilla/Scorpion would be a safer (And maybe wiser) choice. They could also get away with more, whereas with Spider-Woman there are certain expectations.
I think someone like this is a lot more likely than Drew. But I maintain it's even more likely that she's just an original character like the rest of the main cast.
Would Marvel really leave Chloe Bennet with that much responsibility though? Frickin Spider-Woman? Not that I don't think she can handle it, but that's a pretty big deal. If Marvel/Joss was that confident in Chloe from the beginning then I can totally see Spider-Woman, but Carmilla/Scorpion would be a safer (And maybe wiser) choice. They could also get away with more, whereas with Spider-Woman there are certain expectations.
Speaking of which, I'm honestly still a little underwhelmed of J. August Richards playing Deathlock who was a well known character especially in the 90's. More deformed cyborg less human with that Star Trek outfit. Anyway...
I agree that Camilla Black is "safer" to bring in, but imagine the ABC promo for next week's new episode:
"Who is Skye? Finally! All your questions will be answered! The secret of Skye, the undientified 0-8-4, will finally... be... revealed... Marvel Agents of SHIELD next week on ABC!"
Then next week's episode comes on and Skye is revealed to be...
...Camilla Black?
There's going to be a lot of "Huh? Camilla who? Wait, what!?" moments after that episode.
Just trying to see it from a general audience perspective, I mean even a lot of comic book fans don't know who Camilla Black is or if they've even heard of her name at all.
Whoever Skye is, I hope the writers have thought it through to give fans a real good surprise.
Speaking of which, I'm honestly still a little underwhelmed of J. August Richards playing Deathlock who was a well known character especially in the 90's. More deformed cyborg less human with that Star Trek outfit. Anyway...
I agree that Camilla Black is "safer" to bring in, but imagine the ABC promo for next week's new episode:
"Who is Skye? Finally! All your questions will be answered! The secret of Skye, the undientified 0-8-4, will finally... be... revealed... Marvel Agents of SHIELD next week on ABC!"
Then next week's episode comes on and Skye is revealed to be...
...Camilla Black?
There's going to be a lot of "Huh? Camilla who? Wait, what!?" moments after that episode.
Just trying to see it from a general audience perspective, I mean even a lot of comic book fans don't know who Camilla Black is or if they've even heard of her name at all.
Whoever Skye is, I hope the writers have thought it through to give fans a real good surprise.
I consider myself a casual comic book reader. I know of Spider-Woman from the comic books and even from the old kid cartoons in the 80's. I've never heard of Camilla Black before.
Hopefully the reveal will be Spider-Woman, especially since the rumors have been out there since Day 1 supposedly. If it isn't her, at least use a character that has the same kind of level as hers.
Reminds me of my 10th birthday back then.
I wanted a PS1 so badly that for the last 2-3 months before my birthday I kept asking my folks to buy me one so I could play me some Street Fighter Alpha. They kept teasing me not to worry that my present would be something I would like. I remember the day before my birthday I caught my mom wrapping a present and it was a big box! I couldn't sleep that night because I was so exited! When my birthday finally came, they hand me that same big box and I remember thinking I just knew it had to be a PS1 after all my begging and all their teasing. After I unwrap my present, it turned out to be a Gameboy inside a Gameboy carrying case. It wasn't even the Gameboy Color because that wasn't even out yet. It was the black and white Gameboy. I. Was. Devestated.
If Skye ends up being someone like Camilla Black or anyone else that I have to Google just to find out who that character is, the payoff won't be as satisfying as the build up.
It will almost feel like hoping for a PS1 but getting a Gameboy instead all over again.
In my opinion whoever Skye is doesn't have to be a big reveal. There hasn't even been any indication that she's a comic book character. Don't confuse rabid fan speculation with hyping on the part of the showrunners. As long as Skye's reveal makes sense and is cool, it doesn't really matter how big the character is.
Bravo! Carmilla Black makes a lot of sense. I'd be down with that. Also, if the Kree was a red herring, I'd be glad. Like Deathlok, I like when a character reveal sneaks up on you.
Plus, who wouldn't want to see Chloe dress up in this:
I'm loving the Carmilla Black theory but how would they justify having her transition to costume? The MCU seem set on keeping costumes as muted as possible when they don't have a concrete justification to do otherwise.
Plus they wouldn't want to cover up that gorgeous face of hers and would probably shy away from arbitrarily showing the midriff because of some PC bs.
This theory is awesome though.
Makes much more sense than Spider-Woman simply for the fact that Spider-Woman really does deserve her own movie and would be a great addition to future Avenger teams and compensation for no Spider-Man.
Also, last night was perhaps the clearest explanation we've had to date of what Coulson sees in Skye. It isn't (just) her 1337 hax0r skillz, or her highly empathic personallity, or even that he somehow thought she was a latent gifted.
It's that she "sees the world in a different way" from others, and thus is able to expertly analyze data to find "patterns" and "exploits". That ring any bells for comic veterans?
I'm loving the Carmilla Black theory but how would they justify having her transition to costume? The MCU seem set on keeping costumes as muted as possible when they don't have a concrete justification to do otherwise.
Plus they wouldn't want to cover up that gorgeous face of hers and would probably shy away from arbitrarily showing the midriff because of some PC bs.
This theory is awesome though.
Makes much more sense than Spider-Woman simply for the fact that Spider-Woman really does deserve her own movie and would be a great addition to future Avenger teams and compensation for no Spider-Man.
Also, last night was perhaps the clearest explanation we've had to date of what Coulson sees in Skye. It isn't (just) her 1337 hax0r skillz, or her highly empathic personallity, or even that he somehow thought she was a latent gifted.
It's that she "sees the world in a different way" from others, and thus is able to expertly analyze data to find "patterns" and "exploits". That ring any bells for comic veterans?
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