Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 36

[Web-Head]

and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor

This is the main thing that stops me from loving Ragnarok. I liked Thor in every movie except maybe TDW and then here he's basically a completely different character and it felt really jarring to me.

I liked that he was a bit more serious compared to the other heroes and the humor came from him being cocky and whatnot.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I still think the first Thor film is superior because Branagh was able to balance the humor with genuine heart and emotional heft. Everything feels weightless in Ragnarok, even scenes that are supposed to register as more emotional and significant in their impact on the larger universe. It's not that the comedic bits aren't good, but they rarely feel like they're based on character or the situation, and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.

https://youtu.be/O-0rGuO0gy8

Still the best acted scene in the MCU. Can you imagine getting a scene like this in Ragnarok?

Or this (the way Thor says "can I come home now" almost makes me cry).

https://youtu.be/aj4iN-0pu4M?t=63

When watching Ragnarok I couldn't help thinking about the first movie and how genuinely effective the emotional moments were, they took the drama seriously. I think you can still have those kinds of scenes in a movie like Ragnarok, heck GOTG has done it twice now. I still think Ragnarok is a better overall movie, but I liked the character work in Thor a lot more.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The first Thor definitely had much more affecting emotional scenes (if you don't fall asleep to get there in the first place).

Anyway, Homecoming is still the best CBM of the year for me. Homecoming>Vol.2>Logan>Wonder Woman>Ragnarok.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The first Thor has probably the best acting in the whole MCU. Which is no surprise because Branagh is such a great actors director.

But I still think Ragnarok had some great character moments and strong acting. They just weren't dwelt on for long and the overall tone of the film is kinda irreverent.

I don't really agree with Thor being a buffoon. He's always been a bit of a naive doofus in these films. But what I really liked in his sheer optimism... because that's what HEROES do. They don't mope around burdened by their responsibilities.

That's what I hated. [BLACKOUT]Odin dies,[/BLACKOUT] (in a super rushed way) and for a reaction all we get is a little lightning from Thor's finger tips? There should have been way more to that scene. Hela should have been placed longer out.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

WW looked better than a Snyder film has looked in almost a decade.

Except for the Ares fight. That was awful.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'll take both BvS and MoS over WW image-wise any day.

 

[Tony Stark]

I felt Jenkins completely replicated Snyder's style. Almost like he ghost-directed action sequences in her solo. So no, there's no difference. Maybe Snyder has more visual taste, unlike Jenkins. And I don't like CGI/slo-mo action of neither of them. What I like about the court scene is just it's WW saving the day in broad daylight. But all that kewl slo-mo just weights it down.

I agree, that was the most annoying part of WW, which I liked the movie overall, but the speed up slow down stuff is so overdone. It reminds me of the bullet time stuff from the Matrix. After that came out, almost every action movie copied that whether it was applicable or not.

Snyder was an executive producer and it wouldn't surprise me if he had a lot of input in those scenes. Jenkins is not an action director, she would probably have given him a lot of input to him on those scenes and it shows.

 

[kguillou]

I'm actually watching THOR (2011) right now and wow it is CRAZY how different this is from Ragnarok. Even just from a cinematography standpoint, Branaugh brought real atmospheric beauty to his film. Not that Ragnarok didn't have pretty visuals, but, well, I'll put it to you this way, if Branaugh filmed Rangarok, the movie would've looked absolutely stunning. Tonally, visually, musically, this movie is so much different from recent MCU films.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'm actually watching THOR (2011) right now and wow it is CRAZY how different this is from Ragnarok. Even just from a cinematography standpoint, Branaugh brought real atmosphere to his film. Tonally, visually, musically, its so much different from recent MCU films.

I watched a few Phase 1 films not long ago - IM1-2, TFA, TIH and tonally they're so different from the current MCU. Well, it make sense, because new MCU films look back at what was made before - TA and Guardians. IM and TFA probably looked at Spider-Man, STM and Begins.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I'm actually watching THOR (2011) right now and wow it is CRAZY how different this is from Ragnarok. Even just from a cinematography standpoint, Branaugh brought real atmosphere to his film. Tonally, visually, musically, its so much different from recent MCU films.

Marvel did a great job at introducing their main characters and their mythology, they all felt very unique distinctive from each other. Although I think they've been struggling with that recently.

 

[kguillou]

They definitely did, I remember watching THOR in theaters and right from the very first scene Hemsworth won me over. The way he swaggers into the ceremony, waving at the crowd, winks at his Frigga, and pledged his oath to Odin, I was like "YUP, they nailed it, thats Thor."

 

[Smilodon]

I still think the first Thor film is superior because Branagh was able to balance the humor with genuine heart and emotional heft. Everything feels weightless in Ragnarok, even scenes that are supposed to register as more emotional and significant in their impact on the larger universe. It's not that the comedic bits aren't good, but they rarely feel like they're based on character or the situation, and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.

https://youtu.be/O-0rGuO0gy8

Still the best acted scene in the MCU. Can you imagine getting a scene like this in Ragnarok?

Or this (the way Thor says "can I come home now" almost makes me cry).

https://youtu.be/aj4iN-0pu4M?t=63

I've forgotten how great some of these scenes from Thor are. I loved Ragnarok, and thought TDW really put a fork in the more Shakespearean tone they were first striving for at first, but a rewatch of the first Thor is in definite order now.

Branagh did a good job for sure with this film. I also really like the final battle now that I think about it.

 

[Greens]

I've forgotten how great some of these scenes from Thor are. I loved Ragnarok, and thought TDW really put a fork in the more Shakespearean tone they were first striving for at first, but a rewatch of the first Thor is in definite order now.

Branagh did a good job for sure with this film. I also really like the final battle now that I think about it.

TDW is a poop stain on the Thor film series.

 

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