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Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 36

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I think the visuals were amazing and inventive. Easily one of the best looking CBMs. That elevates it in my view somewhat.

But no, it is far from my favorite MCU film either.

Yeah it certainly wasn’t a bad movie, it had interesting parts, the finale was done well and some of the visuals were indeed great. It just felt very safe in the main though, and Mikkelsonwas terribly wasted.

I do think the sequel has lots of potential though.
 
Yeah it certainly wasn’t a bad movie, it had interesting parts, the finale was done well and some of the visuals were indeed great. It just felt very safe in the main though, and Mikkelsonwas terribly wasted.

I do think the sequel has lots of potential though.

The visuals are one thing Marvel has head and shoulders over the competition. Especially with regards to the final acts. Just look at them in Doctor Strange, GOTG2, and Ragnarok compared to the fights against Doomsday, Enchantress, Ares, and Apocalypse. Justice League visually looks awful in trailers and promotional material as well.

I thought Ragnarok was gorgeous.
 
So I went and did it. I watched Rognorak. It was alright. On the plus side: it's far more entertaining than previous Thor films, it's funny, filled with colorful characters, scope of events, Hela is a sight to behold, one of better soundtracks in MCU. On the bad side: I didn't feel much weight or emotion behind quite significant events, CGI sucked, cinematography sucked, Hela was pretty one-dimensional by the book villain, misplaced humor again. Despite the scope, it still felt like a filler episode.
 
As far as the consequences in Thor Ragnarok [blackout]While some of them are huge in theory, the execution doesn't reflect that. The destruction of Asgard doesn't even feel like a big deal because we've barely even been there and we never got to know much about it. Killing the warriors 3 is a "consequence" but I mean did anyone really care about them? They had like 2 minutes of screentime after the first Thor movie. Same with Odin dying, he wasn't as important after the first Thor movie and a lot of us already expected him to die in Ragnarok.

You can't even compare it to the dismantling of SHIELD and its involvement with Hydra because that was a HUGE deal, it literally changed everything. That worked because a)TWS takes itself seriously b)SHEILD was actually important and relevant to the MCU as a whole.[/blackout]

Having said that I don't fault the movie too much for that, I had accepted Ragnarok was going to be a fun adventure with lots of comedy a long time ago and it actually had more consequences than I expected. It's infinitely better than TDW in that regard(all regards actually).
 
Nothing really feels like a big deal in Thor: Ragnarok.
 
Odin dying and Asgard being destroyed are definitely important. Asgard's destruction is the biggest change to the status quo since the dismantling of Shield in TWS. And the characters certainly do treat them as important. At least those personally affected by it, namely Thor himself.

As for the rest of that, that's all speculation for the future. It is also the same with any of these superhero franchise films. Look at Logan for example. It seems big and consequential, but we can pretty much figure out Logan is going to be back at some point. He's too big of a character not to be. We KNOW Xavier is going to be back on screen next year. It wasn't even the first time he was killed in an X-Men film. You shouldn't judge a film based on what future films MIGHT do.

We didn't even know for sure if Odin was alive or dead for years, that's how unimportant him being alive is, and the outrage over his death lasted just for a few seconds before Hela showed up, and that issue is never re-addressed or resolved because it's simply not important to the film or audience. Likewise, what does Asgard's destruction actually... do other than change the CGI backdrop for the exceptionally rare scenes in the MCU where Thor interacts with his people?

Contrast with Logan, we spend minutes at a time building the sense of family, and Xavier's death destroys that, paralleled with the destruction of an actual family, and changes the rest of the movie. Logan's impact on the the world of the film, not just other films, is clear, and his death is constantly being built up to as he slowly dies and shows he's aged. His death means something profound because it matters to the film, because it says things about the film in retrospect, giving a much heavier meaning. Odin's death says nothing about most of the film, if only because most of the film is on Sakaar. This is why Valkyrie's two minute context-free flashback carried more meaning than the death of The Allfather, because it was actually a part of the motivation of a main character, and not a plot device, clever as it may have been.

The whole rub with the speculation is that, since the events for Thor 3 don't impact the movie itself, several of the heaviest ones coming towards the end, the only consequentiality is to be found in other films, and those consequences are so easily and naturally sidestepped, calling the film consequential because of them sounds not just like an assumption, but a poor one. Again... the eye thing. It feels like a huge deal. In the film and the rest of the night, I was like "OMG THEY TOOK HIS EYE!" And the next day I quietly thought... "Okay... so?" And there was no answer. All of the big deals in the movie are a little like that.
 
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I think that there can be a difference in something factually being important and something being emotionally important. Ideally, they should be the same, but that is not always possible, depending on the scope of the film.
 
He actually looks ill or something there.

The waxwork looks ill? Hope they have time to make another one then! Probably just too many hot bright lights causing it to melt a bit.
 
Watched the new clip. "The team needs Clark".
Bruce would know. Given he interacted with Clark so much. /s
 
Yeah i'm not buying this sudden love and reverence that everyone seems to have for Superman. Doesnt feel earned to be honest
 
Can someone explain to me why [BLACKOUT]the destruction of Asgard[/BLACKOUT] matters? I can only assume that event might have caught [BLACKOUT]Thanos'[/BLACKOUT] attention, but for what purpose? Need to see IW now :hehe:
 
Watched the new clip. "The team needs Clark".
Bruce would know. Given he interacted with Clark so much. /s
He did stab Zod's walking corpse, 18 months after snapping his neck, because......


Trying to find an excuse for that $#%^ line is like placing my hand on a pile of nails in the middle of a summer day to find a cool touch.
 
Why? I thought it is one of the better movies.
I thought Doctor Strange was a rushed, awkward version of the Iron Man structure. Cumberbatch seemed miscast and I thought his accent was all over the place. They tried to 'Tony Stark' him and he was super unlikable. I thought the comedy was very out of place and the cloak gags like him running in place were so bad. I felt all the criticisms people have for the MCU were present in this movie. I actually thought I'd like it and was surprised by my reaction, but I should've known since it's a Scott Derrickson movie...
 
Just saw Thor. I for sure didn't like it as much as everyone else, but I still had a good time. I'm happy to say that the comedic moments didn't take away from the dramatic ones as often as I feared they would. That being said: some of them did fall flat. The movie definitely had problems (internal logic, narrative focus, special effects) and it's curious to me that they aren't being talked about more, but overall, it's a good movie and I'm glad I saw it. 7.5/10.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and some big moments didn't feel even a fourth as huge as they should've.
 
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It's funny, people say that this film is so much more trippy than Inception. And they are right. But Inception knew how to milk the big moments. So when you saw something trippy it felt like a big deal.

Yeah, Inception actually lingers on those moments. Plus, that "LSD montage" in Strange really just felt like an excuse to do an LSD montage and throw some crazy **** in there.
 
The LSD montage had purpose. But the incessant kailedoscopic visuals got kinda old as the movie progressed.
 
Of all JL clips that I saw so far (5, I think?) I more or less liked only Wonder Woman vs. terrorists. Affleck is bad, and he's in terrible shape. Ezra and Momoa - cringe. Ouch. Steppenwolf is terrible too. No opinion on Cyborg outside his design and CGI, which are pretty bad.
 
Doctor Strange did give us 'The Master of the Mystic End Credits'. Awesome track.
 
I still think the first Thor film is superior because Branagh was able to balance the humor with genuine heart and emotional heft. Everything feels weightless in Ragnarok, even scenes that are supposed to register as more emotional and significant in their impact on the larger universe. It's not that the comedic bits aren't good, but they rarely feel like they're based on character or the situation, and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.

https://youtu.be/O-0rGuO0gy8

Still the best acted scene in the MCU. Can you imagine getting a scene like this in Ragnarok?

Or this (the way Thor says "can I come home now" almost makes me cry).

https://youtu.be/aj4iN-0pu4M?t=63
 
I still think the first Thor film is superior because Branagh was able to balance the humor with genuine heart and emotional heft. Everything feels weightless in Ragnarok, even scenes that are supposed to register as more emotional and significant in their impact on the larger universe. It's not that the comedic bits aren't good, but they rarely feel like they're based on character or the situation, and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.

https://youtu.be/O-0rGuO0gy8

Still the best acted scene in the MCU. Can you imagine getting a scene like this in Ragnarok?

Or this (the way Thor says "can I come home now" almost makes me cry).

https://youtu.be/aj4iN-0pu4M?t=63

Dem Dutch angles! But yeah, those scenes are great.
 
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Yeah i'm not buying this sudden love and reverence that everyone seems to have for Superman. Doesnt feel earned to be honest

Honestly. I'm still not sure why I should care about this version of Superman and supposedly Flash was/is a big fan? Why?
 
The first Thor has probably the best acting in the whole MCU. Which is no surprise because Branagh is such a great actors director.

But I still think Ragnarok had some great character moments and strong acting. They just weren't dwelt on for long and the overall tone of the film is kinda irreverent.

I don't really agree with Thor being a buffoon. He's always been a bit of a naive doofus in these films. But what I really liked in his sheer optimism... because that's what HEROES do. They don't mope around burdened by their responsibilities.
 
The wonder woman clip perfectly demonstrates the difference between Snyder and Jenkins. The slow motion in WW is used to highlight Diana's form and strength. The slomo in JL is all about kewl she is. It's juvenile.
I felt Jenkins completely replicated Snyder's style. Almost like he ghost-directed action sequences in her solo. So no, there's no difference. Maybe Snyder has more visual taste, unlike Jenkins. And I don't like CGI/slo-mo action of neither of them. What I like about the court scene is just it's WW saving the day in broad daylight. But all that kewl slo-mo just weights it down.
 
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