The Dark Knight Rises Concerns about TDKR

[Steyin]

Quite honestly, I'm worried the film will flow like TDK, which felt a little spastic to me (hence why I can only watch it in pieces rather than all the way through anymore), but more so that the 3rd act will be boring. The end of TDK literally put me to sleep (from the ferries onward) in the theater upon first viewing, and I still don't care all that much for most of it.

I'd prefer a return to the feeling of BB in terms of atmosphere and flow, but that's just me.

The only other thing I can think of is Nolan running his mouth about having a scene compared to something grander and then not delivering (as he said the Tumbler chase in TDK would be beter than the Matrix highway scene, to which it does not even compare IMO).

 

[Gianakin_]

(as he said the Tumbler chase in TDK would be beter than the Matrix highway scene, to which it does not even compare IMO).

Link?

 

[Steyin]

Link?

Sorry, but its been years since I've seen/read the quote, so I don't remember where it came from. All I know is that I read it here back in the day. I can try to search for it, but I can't promise anything. I specifically remember it though since I was so taken back by it and thought "damn how is he going to do that?"

 

[Gianakin_]

Aha. Because, I was following every TDK tidbit and not once do I remember something like that. I'd appreciate it if you'd manage to find it!

 

[obin_gam]

I fear its not going to be super happy mega awesome and just awesome

 

[spideydave]

The fact that Joker will not be in this. And can Bane top the Joker? Jon Nolan even said Joker would have a supporting role in the 3rd flick.

Also, early reviews. Wally Pfister has said great things about the script. In my movie viewing history whenever theres great hype early on. The movie almost never delivers. When theres silence on production we get classics ( TDK & Inception)

How to do Bane without CGI? I LOVED TDK I thought BB was ok. The fact that this flick will tie to that.

Lastly, David Goyer is the main writer. And the not the Nolan brothers.

But David writes Batman better than anyone. Sucks @ villians though

 

[hatebox]

The only other thing I can think of is Nolan running his mouth about having a scene compared to something grander and then not delivering (as he said the Tumbler chase in TDK would be beter than the Matrix highway scene, to which it does not even compare IMO).

Am I missing something? It's not like The Matrix car chase scene is some classic action set piece. I barely remember anything about it save for the comical fight Morpheus has with that agent on top of the truck...

 

[JDym]

I think I'm just most worried about the romance stuff. To be honest, I don't much care for it. Don't get me wrong, I like romance movies and placed in other genres, but I don't NEED it in Batman, especially in the final film.

 

[KRIM]

Am I missing something? It's not like The Matrix car chase scene is some classic action set piece. I barely remember anything about it save for the comical fight Morpheus has with that agent on top of the truck...

What? Everyone I know (including me) absolutely hated Matrix Reloaded, but we all at least enjoyed that set piece. It was lengthy, full of action, and featured some great "whoa!" and "awesome" moments. One of the few action scenes I've seen in the modern blockbuster that deserved the title of "grand" or "epic".

But I digress, I really don't think Nolan would be so daft to compare any of his action scenes to the Matrix, much less claim superiority. Most certainly not in terms of choreography.

 

[elgaz]

The Matrix set piece was a spectacle, but more so because they hyped the hell out how they built a whole section of motorway just to film it. Sure it was fun to watch, but it wasn't a million times better than any other road-based action or chase I've seen.

The Tumbler chase is probably one of my favourite bits in the Dark Knight, right from when they pull off in the police truck with Harvey in the back until Gordon is pointing a gun at the Joker. Just a great and memorable sequence which, with a combination of that music and great effects & timing, builds up to a brilliant crescendo with the confrontation between the Joker and Batman bearing down on him on the pod.

The Matrix's CGi'd truck collision can't compare with seeing a real one flipped over on itself in TDK too.

 

[Gianakin_]

The Bourne Supremacy car chase trumps the Reloaded one royally, imo.

 

[Jick]

I, like a few people, have reservations about returning to LOS/Ra's and an abundance of primary character fatigue.

What I'd like to see is people list the specific things they fear in regards to this film.

I believe a few re-occuring ones I've seen:

-uninterested in seeing the League of Shadows appear again
-overcrowding of new, important characters
-how Catwoman will fit in

My fears are the same, plus how Bane will be approached.

But I trust Nolan.

 

[Steyin]

I think the BB chase is better than the TDK one, so I'd like a return to that. The Matrix one was just awesome, so I want that level of enjoyment out of another chase.

I'm still looking for that quote Gianakin, its hard finding old Nolan interviews on the web, plus my posting history doesn't go back that far =( I am 100% confident that I read it though.

 

[The Joker]

The BB chase was pretty bland compared to the TDK one, IMO. The action in general was much better in TDK. The Joker truck/Bat-Pod sequence was the best action sequence ever put into a Batman movie as far as I'm concerned. It was like Nolan took the day off and James Cameron stepped in.

 

[Anjow1060]

The BB chase was pretty bland compared to the TDK one, IMO. The action in general was much better in TDK. The Joker truck/Bat-Pod sequence was the best action sequence ever put into a Batman movie as far as I'm concerned. It was like Nolan took the day off and James Cameron stepped in.

1 - Yeah, not really. The lack of score was a bold risk for the truck chase and yes, the sequence works, but it was not as breathtaking as it could have been with a score. The fight scenes (referring to your comment about action in general) would be the only "improvement" I could agree with. The Begins chase and the monorail fight are still lightyears better than anything in TDK's action.

2 - Lord almight do not disgrace the great name of Nolan by equivocating him to the hack that has become James Cameron post T2.

3 - It's a sad excuse when a topic like this is allowed to be a thread these days.

I've harped on this a bajillion times but I'll just go back into it again:

Honestly - the LOS will end up being henchmen for Bane (which idk why anyone has an issue with this.) and Talia is more of a foe for Catwoman.

It's simple "squaring off" characterization for action.

And past that, Cats and Talia are two sides of the same coin for Batman - both under the idea that their plight is "righteous" and both going about it the same way.

Difference being - Talia wants Bruce to change for her and break his principals. Catwoman - who, forgive the pun, is a bit more catty in her back and forth with Batman - but ends up being swayed towards HIS principals and changing.

Now you could cite a whole big sexism thing out of this - but the truth is Begins set a tone in terms of "right and wrong" and "moral relativism."

After the events of TDK and the blame on Batman's shoulders - it's not too much of a stretch to believe that Bruce is vulnerable to changing his mind on his position in terms of killing and not killing - thus a perspective struggle in his character with Catwoman and Talia on both ends of the rope.

IMO - I could care less about what people think of this PARAPHRASING of the plot, and more about the potential character development that comes from having these particular characters in the film after the events of Begins and TDK.

- Jow

 

[The Joker]

1 - Yeah, not really.

Yes really.

The lack of score was a bold risk for the truck chase and yes, the sequence works, but it was not as breathtaking as it could have been with a score.

It didn't need a score. That's how good it was. It was like the hospital massacre sequence in Spider-Man 2. The lack of score made that violent scene so great. Same thing here. Sometimes less is more. This is definitely one of those cases.

The fight scenes (referring to your comment about action in general) would be the only "improvement" I could agree with. The Begins chase and the monorail fight are still lightyears better than anything in TDK's action.

Not for me they're not. The TDK chase had garbage trucks being crushed by the Tumbler, Cops cars getting blasted by Joker's bazooka, Helicopters being knocked out of the air, the Tumbler getting destroyed, and the Joker's truck getting that magnificent flip.

The Begins one was just a couple of Cop cars getting flipped over, and the Tumbler "Flying on rooftops!!!"

2 - Lord almight do not disgrace the great name of Nolan by equivocating him to the hack that has become James Cameron post T2.

I'm not. I'm saying the chase in TDK was as good as a Cameron action scene in his hey day.

3 - It's a sad excuse when a topic like this is allowed to be a thread these days.

Yet here you are contributing to it. Well done

 

[Name Changed]

It's kind of hard to muster up any kind of fear or appraisal, based off of what little we know.

 

[JDym]

It's kind of hard to muster up any kind of fear or appraisal, based off of what little we know.

Sure, some of this is just pre-mature speculation; however, I personally don't like the idea of Catwoman in these movies. Also, I don't know how Ledger's Joker could be topped, and it will be hard not to focus on the strength of the villain considering how central it was to the previous film. Keep in mind that I love Tom Hardy as an actor and thing using Bane is an inspired and surprising choice by Nolan.

 

[Symbiotic]

The fact that Joker will not be in this. And can Bane top the Joker? Jon Nolan even said Joker would have a supporting role in the 3rd flick.

Link?

 

[Boom]

I'd voice my fears, but someone will swoop in and do the old quote split dissection deal explaining why my opinion is wrong, and it hardly feels worth the trouble.

 

[Boom]

1) I have zero interest in Talia al Ghul, and the League of Shadows returning. Talia is alot like Harley Quinn for me. She's a complimentary character. When she's with Ra's, she's fine (like Harley with The Joker). But on her own? No thank you.

2) I don't want Bane to be a henchman.

 

[Travesty]

I'd voice my fears,

Well, you should, because it's a lot of fun discussing these things.

but someone will swoop in and do the old quote split dissection deal explaining why my opinion is wrong,

Why would anybody do that? It's out of character for any member around here to do that, so I think you're wrong.

and it hardly feels worth the trouble.

Awww, come play with us.

 

[RandomBatName]

Quite honestly, I'm worried the film will flow like TDK, which felt a little spastic to me (hence why I can only watch it in pieces rather than all the way through anymore), but more so that the 3rd act will be boring. The end of TDK literally put me to sleep (from the ferries onward) in the theater upon first viewing, and I still don't care all that much for most of it.

I'd prefer a return to the feeling of BB in terms of atmosphere and flow, but that's just me.

The only other thing I can think of is Nolan running his mouth about having a scene compared to something grander and then not delivering (as he said the Tumbler chase in TDK would be beter than the Matrix highway scene, to which it does not even compare IMO).

Totally agree with the comments regarding a better feel to BB. I feel the story was too linear, I really like Nolan's movies because they usually have a great flow from the flashbacks/non-linear story telling he does (Prestige, BB, Memento) which I felt was kind of lost in TDK, it kind of felt like a bunch of really great scenes strung together instead of a cohesive movie experience. That being said I kind of disagree with the your on the chase scenes. I really liked the way the action scenes were portrayed in both Bat movies. They weren't lightning fast action, but there was something very deliberate about them that felt very unique. (Loved both movies don't please don't yell at me for being a hater)

 

[Yurka]

My fear is that they'll simply try to top DK by shoving as much "high octane" and explosive crap as they can in it.

 

[Boom]

My fear is that they'll simply try to top DK by shoving as much "high octane" and explosive crap as they can in it.

Yep. This is a classic misconception/mistake made with sequels.

Hopefully Nolan is wise enough not to get sucked into that mindset.