Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

Beta Ray Bill - (with one hand tied behind his back ;))

X-Cutioner - Bad draw

Pluto

Templar - Interesting next round
 
Protocide-Yeah, I knew that was an uphill battle to say the least
X-Cutioner
Pluto
Templar
 
Beta Ray Bill
Pluto (one match had to go and I figured I had less chance of winning this one than the others)
Lord Templar
Carrion (X-cutioner would win this one but I think carrion would do better in later rounds)
 
Final Results:

Beta Ray Bill over Protocide 8-1
X-Cutioner over Carrion 8-1
Pluto over Maverick 9-0
Lord Templar over Nightcrawler 8-1
 
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BRACKET 3,

Match 7:

Black Tarantula (ZOKEN) bio

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vs.

Belasco (PHAEDRUS45) bio

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Match 8:

Scarlet Spider (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

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vs.

Mr. Sinister (AHURA MAZDA) bio

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BRACKET 4,

Match 7:

Morg (DARTHPHERE) bio

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vs.

Firelord (DARTHPHERE) bio

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Match 8:

Korath (PHAEDRUS45) bio

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vs.

Stryfe (PRIMEMOVER) bio

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LOCATION: X-Mansion

Blueprints for the newly-rebuilt mansion were given in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: X-Men 2004.
The X-Mansion is in the shape of an X. In the middle of the main courtyard is the Phoenix Memorial Statue, dedicated to the memory of Jean Grey. Notable rooms include the Danger Room and a room containing Cerebro. The Headmasters Office of Cyclops and Emma Frost is on the top floor. The basketball court is a popular hang-out; it was the site of a well-known basketball game in X-Men v2 #4 (January 1992) in which the X-Men used their mutant powers. Directly below the basketball court is the hangar, which houses many transportation vehicles, as well as aircraft such as the X-Men Blackbird.

(For more information, check out Wikipedia, which has a nice picture of the mansion.)
 
Belasco vs. Black Tarantula:

Figure I'd quickly take care of my easiest match this entire Round.

Belasco:

Belasco is one of the most powerful sorcerers on Earth and possesses a wide knowledge of spells, allowing him to shoot mystical rays, control the minds of humans and animals, and transform himself and others, among other things.

He was also endowed by the Elder Gods with immortality and apparent invulnerability. The exception to this is his own sword, which was forged by the Elder Gods themselves. It was this which cut off his right arm under unrevealed circumstances.

He has also come to possess a wide knowledge of the advanced technology left by the Atlanteans in Pangea.

Plus, the following as more explanation:

Belasco is one of the most powerful of all Earthborn sorcerors. Among other feats, he can hurl bolts of mystical force, mesmerize victims, transform people into animals, and raise the dead under certain circumstances. His long studies of the black arts have given him an encyclopedic knowledge of spells that he can use.

Belasco is also immortal, and apparently invulnerable as well. Possibly the only means of killing him outright is his own sword.


Black Tarantula:

Powers & Paraphenalia
Strength Level: Way superior to Spider-Man's.
Powers: Enhanced physical parameters.
Abilities: Able to regenerate another's wounds (even a broken neck). Presumably, this works on himself too.
Equipment: None.
Weapons: None.
Limitations: No limitations except for his conscience. That never prevented him from doing whateve he felt like, but it allowed him to leave Spidey alive for a couple of times, and leave his son with his ex-wife.



Basically, Black Tarantula is over-powered and over-matched in this fight. With all of Belasco's abilities and powers, Black Tarantula will be quickly defeated. Heck, Belasco will easily be able to transform Black Tarantula into just what his name implied, a tarantula, and squish him beneath his red little foot.

Winner = Belasco
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Black Tarantula Vs. Belasco

Okay, not quite as cut and dry as our fearless leader suggests. Belasco is a master tactician and a seasoned fighter. His reaction time is better than Spider-Man's, which already borders on precognitive. So Belaso will have to be pretty quick on the draw to catch him with a bolt of mystic energy, or with a spell. Besides, this takes place in the X-Mansion, which means the fight starts even before they find each other. BT can use the technology he finds, weapons from the danger room, or even objects lying around. Granted, he will have a time getting close to Belasco, but once there all he has to contend with is Belasco's invulnerability (it isn't mentioned that he has enhanced strength), and it's been proven time and again that Invulnerables can still feel pain. Keeping the sorcerer off guard, BT could steal the Sword from the sorcerer and slay him. This isn't as hopeless as it is presented.
 
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Match 8:

Scarlet Spider (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

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vs.

Mr. Sinister (AHURA MAZDA) bio

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The Scarlet Spider is a knck off of Spiderman and he would be at a distinct disadvantage here:

First of all, Siniister's powers:

Mr. Sinister is no b-rate villain. He is a very powerful superhuman being who is a genius. His powers are as follows:

Shape Shifting - Sinister has total control over his body's cellular structure, allowing him to peform limited shapeshiftng. He can assume the form of any one he wishes, and once reduced himself into a semi-liquid state.

Superhuman Strength - At times, he has demonstrated superhuman strength.

Resistance / Regenration - He has frequently shown a remarkable resistance to injury and excellent regenerative abilities—he has survived having a large hole shot through his head, and apparently survived having the flesh blasted off his bones at the climax of the Inferno story arc.

Telepath - He has also demonstrated reasonably strong telepathic powers in the past, including the ability to mentally paralyze a foe he’s touching, erasing the memories of Jean Grey at the end of the Inferno arc, and being able to withstand a psychic assault from Psylocke, a high-level telepath.

Telekinetic - He has also exhibited some minor telekinetic abilities, such as mentally moving objects and firing blasts of concussive force from his hands or from the diamond-shaped scarlet mark on his forehead. He was believed to possess the power of teleportation, but it was revealed this was not an innate ability, but a function of his tesseract headquarters, which was far bigger on the inside than on the outside (like the TARDIS from the television series Doctor Who).

Genius - Sinister is a genius and a geneticist of the highest order, able to predict genetic mutations and splice DNA. (Originally, he was genetically altered by Apocalypse, since then, it is quite probable that his other abilities are the result of self-experimentation—his shapeshiftng power is due to a procedure he performed on himself with help from a time-traveling Gambit.) He possesses a good deal of knowledge in psychology, and is a skilled manipulator.

He will also be very equipped.

First off loaction will be an advantage to him as he knows the X-Mansion very well whereas Ben reilly will not. Sinister will also know who his adversary is contrary to Ben.

The Scarlet Spider has no defense against Telepaths and as such will have no defense against Mr. Sinister who he does not even know is a telepath or a shapeshifter. Yes he might have spider sense tingling but there will be nothing to defend against. Mr. Sinister could approach Ben and make Ben his slave and nothing Ben can do can prevent that. Mr. Sinister is a villain almost impossible to dfeat with his multitude of powers and his incredible intellect.

Winner - Mr. Sinister
 
Black Tarantula Vs. Belasco

Okay, not quite as cut and dry as our fearless leader suggests. Belasco is a master tactician and a seasoned fighter. His reaction time is better than Spider-Man's, which already borders on precognitive. So Belaso will have to be pretty quick on the draw to catch him with a bolt of mystic energy, or with a spell.

I'm figuring you meant to say Black Tarantula there. Anyway, while his strength is better than Spidey's, there is nothing in any of the bios I just looked up that said his reaction time is better. AND, remember that Belasco took on the entire X-Men, including Nightcrawler, who I would consider extremely agile. If Nightcrawler couldn't keep away from Belasco, I don't figure Black T. stands a chance.

Besides, this takes place in the X-Mansion, which means the fight starts even before they find each other. BT can use the technology he finds, weapons from the danger room, or even objects lying around.

First, Black Tarantula doesn't swim in the same pond as the X-Men; so, he wouldn't have much info on the X-Mansion, if at all. Second, the X-Men wouldn't let their mansion's defenses and weapons be easily accessable to others, especially since this is a school.

Now, if you look at Belasco, he has much more experience fighting the X-Men. He will even have somewhat of an idea of what to expect, unlike Black T.. His grooming of Magik and his battles with the X-Men used their knowledge of the X-Mansion, too.

Granted, he will have a time getting close to Belasco, but once there all he has to contend with is Belasco's invulnerability (it isn't mentioned that he has enhanced strength), and it's been proven time and again that Invulnerables can still feel pain. Keeping the sorcerer off guard, BT could steal the Sword from the sorcerer and slay him. This isn't as hopeless as it is presented.

Especially in this case, Belasco wouldn't need the sword. If you knew your one weakness was a sword that you'd bring into battle, would you do it? Not unless you really need it. In this case, Belasco wouldn't need this sword.

Winner = Belasco
 
Korath vs. Stryfe:

The bios:

Korath:

Korath is a brilliant geneticist. After implementing the Pursuer template on himself, Korath gained enhanced strength and durability to an unknown degree, uses full body armor, uses jet propelled boots which allow him to fly, and has increased advance scanners that can pick up anomalous brain patters or power levels. He also employs the use of two "beta batons," which fire very powerful energy blasts capable of knocking out an Eternal, like Sersi. He also claims to be trained in the ways of Ancient Kree.

Stryfe:

Stryfe is a very powerful telepath and telekinetic, with raw potential surpassing that of Professor X. Unlike his genetic antecedent Cable, he has nothing to hold back his powers, except a lack of formal training.


Tough battle...but, as we all say, very winnable. First, while it's true that Stryfe has potential, he hasn't had the training. Plus, there is no indication that Stryfe's abilities would effect Korath. You may say, "How can (I) make that assertion?" Let me explain below:

*Korath is protected by full body armor. It may be this armor that would protect him from the effects of a telepath or telekinetic.

*Korath has fought and defeated someone with Stryfe's powers, and someone who is far more powerful than Stryfe. As it says above, Korath defeated Sersi, and just to point out one aspect of her power:

Vast psionic powers include:
-Telepathy
-Telekinesis
-Matter transmutation
-Illusion casting

As I said, this is just one of her powers, and Korath took her down quite easily. She didn't pick him up with her senses. For this reason, I believe Korath's armor protects him from telepathy and telekinesis; and, if this is true, Stryfe is in serious trouble.

*Korath is trained in pursuing many a different type of species. He is prepared to battle so many different types of people and species, it's very likely he's trained to handle someone of Stryfe's abilities.

Winner = Korath the Pursuer
 
Scarlet Spider Vs Sinister

I was debating on this match because at first I felt that Ben doesn't have much of a chance due to Sinister's vast array of powers and his experience and all that. But then I thought and decided to examine Sinister's powers and all I could regarding bios (as I'm kinda light on comic appearances).

So here's the deal.... Sinister is a huge threat... when he knows what he's up against. When he shows up on his own accord and is ready to play out a plan he's laid out... he's a huge threat, but someone comes along that he isn't familiar with, he'll defend himself to an extent... and then cut and run. He held up strong against the X-Men during Inferno, and X-Force/X-Man during Onslaught, while on his terms and knowing and preparing for the battle and setting the stage how he wants it. Yet, when Domina from the Neo, a much lesser threat, came chasing him down, and he didn't know her at all mind you, he cut and run... and not once, but multiple times. I want to say 13 times, but I could be off there. Sinister is a brilliant mind, and while he can fight, he's not best suited fighting. He's a major mental threat... not so much a physical threat. He had others due that work for him. And here he is against Scarlet Spider... someone who Sinister knows nothing about. He may be able to look up some old files on him, but he always plays with a person's mind by praying on their weaknesses... or he messes with them genetically... none of which he can do with Ben. And I feel that THAT greatly takes away from Sinister's ability to win this match. Also, Ben wont' know the X-Mansion... but neither will Sinister. He's been to the old one, but not since it's been rebuilt. All of it was destroied before... now it's all new, and Sinister will know nothing of it. Both are in the dark.

Now, with that, let's look at it a little more detailed. Let's break Sinister down:

Going by Wiki, some of my biggest fears against Sinister seems to be not as big a deal as I thought. I know he's shown telepathy before, but I can only remember minor things. Wiki confirms it in that he's only done things like keeping others out of his mind, and by controling others after touching them (and note, this isn't a huge thing with Sinister, as I don't really remember him even doing it, so it's not normal for him to do it, so it's not an automatic deal that he'll pull it out. Let alone someone with Ben's agility allowing himself to be touched). None the less, Ben is in no harm of telepathic invasion, as Sinisters telepathy is very limited.

Next was his telekinesis and such, but really it's nothing Ben's not faced before (whether through him or through Spidey's memories prior to his creation). He's used to force blasts (the main use of his telekinesis) as he dodges them all the time and is rarely ever hit by them. He's also able to move small objects... but the blasts and this are all easily noted, predicted, and prevented by the good ol' fashioned Spidey Sense!

And really the only other power that Sinister has is actual form. He can shapechange... but he can't fool Ben, as he doesn't know Ben nor anyone he can change into that would effect Ben. If he tried to turn into anyone Ben wouldn't know, he'd know instantly that something was up thanks to his Spidey Sense. Sinister knows nothing of Ben or Peter's spidey sense, so he won't be able to defend against it.

His malable body is really more defensive than anything and it won't take Ben out in any way. Then there's Sinister's fighting abilities. He can definately hold his own, but I am hard pressed to say he'd be a better combatant than Ben, and when it comes down to it, it'll be a fist fight. He is quick, but not as quick as Ben. He's strong, but I doubt as strong as Ben (though that one can be debated). He's smart... yeah, probably smarter than Ben, but let's remember... these Parker boys are extremely intelligent themselves... well ahead of the rest. He may not be Sinister level, but Ben holds his own. However, the mass majority of Sinister's intelligence is his genetics and manipulations, and none of which really applies in this match.

So in the fist fight, I think Ben's got it. Sinister will hold his own for a while, but Ben will be able to rely on his Spidey Sense to dodge physical assaults and any mental manipulation that Sinister may try. I feel that if he goes the same route as his first Venom fight and impact webbing Sinister, then stinger him, it will probably take him out, or at least slow him down enough for a severe beating that will finally render him unconscious. Even if that doesn't work, Ben's a smart and resourcful man. I trully think he can pull it off. It'll be a heck of a fight for him... one of those where you see his mouth through the bottom of his mask... but in the end... Scarlet Spider will be the one left standing.

Winner - Scarlet Spider
 
The Scarlet Spider is a knck off of Spiderman and he would be at a distinct disadvantage here:

He's not a knock off... he's a clone. Meaning he's every bit as good and talented as Spidey... though with a bit more edge to him.

Shape Shifting - Sinister has total control over his body's cellular structure, allowing him to peform limited shapeshiftng. He can assume the form of any one he wishes, and once reduced himself into a semi-liquid state.[/b]

This won't help much in this match. I don't recall the liquid state thing, but I'm not doubting you. Scarlet will just vacuum that up like his memories of Spidey's first Sandman encounter :)

Superhuman Strength - At times, he has demonstrated superhuman strength.

Yeah, but nothing that I recall ever show him being at or surpassing Ben's strength... which is typically underrated.

Resistance / Regenration - He has frequently shown a remarkable resistance to injury and excellent regenerative abilities—he has survived having a large hole shot through his head, and apparently survived having the flesh blasted off his bones at the climax of the Inferno story arc.

Scarlet's toughest challenge in my opinion. He can survive Sinister's assaults, it's finding a way to take Sinister out... but remember, he doesn't have to kill him, or even knock him out. If he can sedate him and trap him, he's golden... and with such places as the danger room and all the other places in the mansion, that is definately attainable. Imagine.... Ben figures out the danger room controls and leads Sinister into it (hey, if Jubilee can run it, Ben can run it). He leads Sinister through a scenerio that makes him believe he's won. He keeps it going and Sinister is officially trapped in the danger room. He may not even be able to get out once the door is shut in there. Yeah, Ben can pull off the rendering him useless thing.

Telepath - He has also demonstrated reasonably strong telepathic powers in the past, including the ability to mentally paralyze a foe he’s touching, erasing the memories of Jean Grey at the end of the Inferno arc, and being able to withstand a psychic assault from Psylocke, a high-level telepath.

But he was prepared for them all. He's not a huge telepath himself, he can only prepare himself against them if he knows what he's up against. I don't know much about the Jean Grey situation, as I haven't read Inferno in its entirety, but one situation against countless others says to me that it's explainable like the rest. Heck, he cloned Jean and had everything he needed to know about her through Maddie. It's not hard to believe that he found a way to mentally mess with Jean. It would make most sense that he can mess with her mind so well, since it was so available to him.

Telekinetic - He has also exhibited some minor telekinetic abilities, such as mentally moving objects and firing blasts of concussive force from his hands or from the diamond-shaped scarlet mark on his forehead. He was believed to possess the power of teleportation, but it was revealed this was not an innate ability, but a function of his tesseract headquarters, which was far bigger on the inside than on the outside (like the TARDIS from the television series Doctor Who).

Teleporting away would end the match for him and I covered the telekinesis in my write up.

Genius - Sinister is a genius and a geneticist of the highest order, able to predict genetic mutations and splice DNA. (Originally, he was genetically altered by Apocalypse, since then, it is quite probable that his other abilities are the result of self-experimentation—his shapeshiftng power is due to a procedure he performed on himself with help from a time-traveling Gambit.) He possesses a good deal of knowledge in psychology, and is a skilled manipulator.

None of which really apply to this match. He's a genious, but in fields that has nothing to do with Ben (cloning yes, but he doesn't know Ben's a clone). he can't apply his genious to this match.

First off loaction will be an advantage to him as he knows the X-Mansion very well whereas Ben reilly will not. Sinister will also know who his adversary is contrary to Ben.

He would know nothing of the mansion, as it's new. He knew the old one, this one is very very differant. And as for Ben, he'll know a little through research, but not anything that really helps him out or plays to his strengths.

The Scarlet Spider has no defense against Telepaths and as such will have no defense against Mr. Sinister who he does not even know is a telepath or a shapeshifter. Yes he might have spider sense tingling but there will be nothing to defend against. Mr. Sinister could approach Ben and make Ben his slave and nothing Ben can do can prevent that. Mr. Sinister is a villain almost impossible to dfeat with his multitude of powers and his incredible intellect.

Winner - Mr. Sinister

As stated, the telepathy will not be a problem, Ben's agility will not allow Sinister to touch him, and even if he tries, that' snot a power he uses often... extremely seldom even. It'd be more out of character to use it now than it would be IN character.

As I covered in my write up. Sinister's vast array of powers aren't that powerful. He's mostly dangerous due to his mind, but that doesn't apply here in this match, as he won't know how to prepare himself agianst Ben. He'll be a threat, but on a level as the rest of the villains Ben's taken down.

Winner - Scarlet Spider
 
Scarlet Spider Vs Sinister

I was debating on this match because at first I felt that Ben doesn't have much of a chance due to Sinister's vast array of powers and his experience and all that. But then I thought and decided to examine Sinister's powers and all I could regarding bios (as I'm kinda light on comic appearances).

So here's the deal.... Sinister is a huge threat... when he knows what he's up against. When he shows up on his own accord and is ready to play out a plan he's laid out... he's a huge threat, but someone comes along that he isn't familiar with, he'll defend himself to an extent... and then cut and run. He held up strong against the X-Men during Inferno, and X-Force/X-Man during Onslaught, while on his terms and knowing and preparing for the battle and setting the stage how he wants it. Yet, when Domina from the Neo, a much lesser threat, came chasing him down, and he didn't know her at all mind you, he cut and run... and not once, but multiple times. I want to say 13 times, but I could be off there. Sinister is a brilliant mind, and while he can fight, he's not best suited fighting. He's a major mental threat... not so much a physical threat. He had others due that work for him. And here he is against Scarlet Spider... someone who Sinister knows nothing about. He may be able to look up some old files on him, but he always plays with a person's mind by praying on their weaknesses... or he messes with them genetically... none of which he can do with Ben. And I feel that THAT greatly takes away from Sinister's ability to win this match. Also, Ben wont' know the X-Mansion... but neither will Sinister. He's been to the old one, but not since it's been rebuilt. All of it was destroied before... now it's all new, and Sinister will know nothing of it. Both are in the dark.

Now, with that, let's look at it a little more detailed. Let's break Sinister down:

Going by Wiki, some of my biggest fears against Sinister seems to be not as big a deal as I thought. I know he's shown telepathy before, but I can only remember minor things. Wiki confirms it in that he's only done things like keeping others out of his mind, and by controling others after touching them (and note, this isn't a huge thing with Sinister, as I don't really remember him even doing it, so it's not normal for him to do it, so it's not an automatic deal that he'll pull it out. Let alone someone with Ben's agility allowing himself to be touched). None the less, Ben is in no harm of telepathic invasion, as Sinisters telepathy is very limited.

Next was his telekinesis and such, but really it's nothing Ben's not faced before (whether through him or through Spidey's memories prior to his creation). He's used to force blasts (the main use of his telekinesis) as he dodges them all the time and is rarely ever hit by them. He's also able to move small objects... but the blasts and this are all easily noted, predicted, and prevented by the good ol' fashioned Spidey Sense!

And really the only other power that Sinister has is actual form. He can shapechange... but he can't fool Ben, as he doesn't know Ben nor anyone he can change into that would effect Ben. If he tried to turn into anyone Ben wouldn't know, he'd know instantly that something was up thanks to his Spidey Sense. Sinister knows nothing of Ben or Peter's spidey sense, so he won't be able to defend against it.

His malable body is really more defensive than anything and it won't take Ben out in any way. Then there's Sinister's fighting abilities. He can definately hold his own, but I am hard pressed to say he'd be a better combatant than Ben, and when it comes down to it, it'll be a fist fight. He is quick, but not as quick as Ben. He's strong, but I doubt as strong as Ben (though that one can be debated). He's smart... yeah, probably smarter than Ben, but let's remember... these Parker boys are extremely intelligent themselves... well ahead of the rest. He may not be Sinister level, but Ben holds his own. However, the mass majority of Sinister's intelligence is his genetics and manipulations, and none of which really applies in this match.

So in the fist fight, I think Ben's got it. Sinister will hold his own for a while, but Ben will be able to rely on his Spidey Sense to dodge physical assaults and any mental manipulation that Sinister may try. I feel that if he goes the same route as his first Venom fight and impact webbing Sinister, then stinger him, it will probably take him out, or at least slow him down enough for a severe beating that will finally render him unconscious. Even if that doesn't work, Ben's a smart and resourcful man. I trully think he can pull it off. It'll be a heck of a fight for him... one of those where you see his mouth through the bottom of his mask... but in the end... Scarlet Spider will be the one left standing.

I apologise I do not have the time to rebut point by point and should not be taking the time for this.

At the end of the day if it is a fist fight which I highly doubt because for one you are assuming that a genius would be coming to this match ill equipped with no knowledge of the scarlet spider who looks very much like spider-man with different colors. Mr. sinister will know spiderman's powers. And he will be equipped for battle given all his resources.

Besides that, any touch will be enough for him to take ovetr his mind for if he can do it to Jean Grey who is a high level telepath he can do it to Ben. plus let us not forget ben has no idea who Mr. sinister is.

Last, the x-mansion may have been rebuilt but you think that a genius like Mr. Sinister will not know about it and not be able to figure things out given the mansion follows approximately the same lay out.

Mr Sinister can over-power Ben and win this match easily.

Winner - Mr. Sinister


Winner - Scarlet Spider
 
*Belasco

*Scarlet Spider - (Impressive write-up from JH to sway my vote.)

*Morg

*Korath
 
Belasco
Scarlet Spider (I'm even surprising myself with this vote)
Morg
Korath the Pursuer
 
Belasco
Mr. Sinister -
Too durable I'm afraid.
Morg
Korath -
Would've gone with Stryfe, but debate=win.
 
Scarlet spider (lol, ben made it further than pete :( But keep going like this and he could go all the way :up: )
Korath
Firelord (just prefer the character, phere's choice at the end of the day though)
Belasco (Just utterly over-powered)
 
Scarlet Spider
Belasco (though I do think BT could put up a good fight)
Morg
Stryfe (I know there was no debate, but I honestly don't see Korath beating Strye)
 

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