Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 23:

Sugar Man (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Toxin (HELLSTORMER) bio

Match 24:

Drax (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

vs.

Jaine Cutter (WIEGEABO) bio

 

[wiegeabo]

I thought you'd steal a few votes with the pheromones on Ego argument. That seemed to be the theme with a lot of this weeks matches.

 

[Hellstormer]

Agh! So close. I knew Man-Thing would be tough. Well fought.

Definately, I was worried he might lose for a sec, Kylun shouldn't be so hard.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 23:

Fandral (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Kang (TRIGGER) bio

Match 24:

Tigershark (ZOKEN) bio

vs.

Electro (DARTHPHERE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: ASTEROID M

Asteroid M has been destroyed and reconstructed by the Master of Magnetism many times. All of them had several levels, including an observation deck, hangar bays and medical facilities. The various facilities had technology that kept it concealed from standard detection technology. They were all positioned in stationary orbit probably over Anya's grave (the deceased eldest child of Magneto).

Third version

It was during his brief association with the Hellfire Club, that Magneto rebuilt a fancier version of Asteroid M. Magneto wanted a contingency plan, if things didn't work out with the Hellfire Club. Therefore, he proceeded to rebuild his base of operations, to survey the Earth, from high above. From there, he heard of Scarlet Witch's troubles. He went down to Earth, to bring her back to his space station. This version was first seen in Avengers: West Coast #57 (April 1990).
When the West Coast Avengers attacked Asteroid M, we learn that Magneto has service robots on the station. The service robots were instrumental in alerting Magneto to the presence of Wasp, on his base. For obvious reasons, his entire asteroid isn't made out of metallic objects. Quicksilver demonstrated this when he ripped out plastic tubing out of one the consoles.
Afterwards events involving Zaladane, in the Savage Land, Magneto returned to Asteroid M, to live in peace. His peace didn't last that long, when Acolytes, led originally by Fabian Cortez, requested and were granted sanctuary by Magneto from American soldiers that were chasing them, on Asteroid M.
In X-Men (Second series) #1 (October 1991), it was stated that the asteroid was in synchronous orbit and 250 kilometers above the Earth (synchronous orbit is actually much farther from Earth than this; in all likelihood it was being magnetically levitated at that altitude). The asteroid also has selective inhibitor fields, that may keep mutants or superhumans from using their powers. This version of the asteroid has medical & science facilities, an observation deck, sleeping quarters, and a swimming pool.
Asteroid M was destroyed for the final time in X-Men (Second series) #3 (December 1991). From an escape pod, Cortez set off nuclear missiles that were around the asteroid. Although Magneto survived the re-entry of Asteroid M to Earth, the rest of the original Acolytes did not. The remains of the Asteroid M crashed into the Middle East. Forge, Henry Peter Gyrich, and other government officials, inspected the wreckage in Uncanny X-Men #299 (April 1993).

 

[Hellstormer]

BRACKET 5,

Match 23:

Sugar Man (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Toxin (HELLSTORMER) bio

Prep time's the key here, Toxin, or at least Pat would go to SPiderman for info. SPiderman would inturn go to the X-Men and get all the info fot Pat. Now that he knows what's going on he'll be read. When they land on Asteroid M I assume they will be the sole people on it. This is bad for Sugar because of Toxin's power of scent. He'd immediately turn inot his "bloodhound mode" (sleek, skinny, no mouth, razorsharp claws, and superspeed) and track down Sugar. ONce he finds him he'll tunr inot his "monster form" (twice the size, huge claws/fists, giant teeth and incredibly long tongue, and super strength) he won't be quite as fast but he'll have strength well pass Venom. Now the fight shouldn't be too hard for Toxin all he has to do is slice and dice. Sugar is known for guys and size two things that won't phase Toxin the match'll be over in minutes with Toxin standing tall.

Winner=Toxin

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Fandral the Dashing vs Kang the Conqueror

Your honor, I call for a mistrial!

What? I can't do that? Then I hereby present irrefutable evidence that Fandral the Dashing, my client should be able to win this match against Kang the Conqueror, client of the prosecution. I will, through a series of sketches of both my client and the opposing client show that you can do nothing else but claim victory on behalf of Fandral... the Dashing!

First off, their powers:

Fandral is a master swordsman, and excellent overall battlefield warrior. He is highly proficient in the use of all edged weapons, and his dexterity, speed, and agility are all significantly greater than the average Asgardian male. Thor himself refers to Fandral as "the best of us with the blade" in Blood Oath #6. Like all Asgardians, Fandral's bone, skin and muscle are roughly 3 times denser than a typical human, giving him an extremely high resistance to injury and superhuman strength.

While Kang does not possess inherent superhuman abilities, he appears to possess physical abilities roughly equal to those of Captain America. It is possible that Kang has enhanced his strength through technology.

Why you ask do I present only the pure facts of Kang's ability and not his weaponry and equipment? That is quite simple, your honor, because Kang would refuse to take these into battle! Your honor, the opposing man is a villain, but is an honorable one at that. He has always refused to use time travel to conquer his enemies, even though he could kill them all in their sleep as babies. He has refused to take up arms against a foe that is obviously weaker than him, and make no mistake here, Fandral can obviously not stand against Kang's full arsenal, and has engaged foes in combat based simply on his abilities. Lest we also forget, this is a tournament, which will fuel Kang's warrior blood in such a manner that honor is quite easily the highest price for him. He will not, under any circumstance, rob my client of a fair fight, and that shall be his undoing.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you will recall, Kang found himself on the receiving end of an asswhooping when he decided to engage Captain America in combat. Fandral is not only stronger, faster and more durable than the good Captain, he also has over 1000 years of experience in the art of combat. While Kang was not at his peak capabalities at the time of his fight, I can only conclude that his strength must be somewhere around the Captain America mark (as the evdence shows), which would've given him a clean fight if he had not be tired. However, his physical prowess is no match for Fandral in this match, and he will swiftly find his end at the Asgardian's hands, for Fandral will not hold back, and make sure Kang is unconscious a few seconds into the match, knowing of his true capabalities thanks to prep-time.

As you can see, Kang's honour will be his undoing as he is bested by Fandral in combat, giving Fandral victory. There are then only two matters left to discuss, namely the character sketch and what I have dubbed the love sketch. I will deal with the character sketch at a later time, and present you the love sketch: Fandral the Dashing bagged the ever tintilating Rogue in What If? (vol. 2) #12, showing the reality that would've occured had the X-Men stayed in Asgard. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Fandral has shown the awesome might of his pimp hand by reaching into another reality and giving one of his alternates some game! Kang however had to resort to cloning himself to give himself useful progeny. How weak is that!?

And now, finally, the character sketch!

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this dashing man is simply too cool for school. The defense rests its case.
WINNER=FANDRAL... THE DASHING!

 

[wiegeabo]

Sugar Man vs Toxin

Prep-time won't matter much in this fight. Sugar Man is before Toxin's time, and Toxin probably won't find anything on Sugar Man. Once they get to the asteroid, both characters will begin searching for each other.

The battle will be something to see. Sugar Man is a formidable opponent, and carries around a couple of nicely lethal hand weapons. But he's going up against Toxin who has a ton of super strength and the agility of Spider-Man. He can also use his tendrils to keep Sugar Man and his weapons at bay.

But Sugar Man's advantage is that ability to shift his size. He could become incredibly large and therefore difficult for Toxin to handle. While Toxin would be small enough that Sugar Man could squash him like a real spider.

Or Sugar Man can take the fight the other way. If the fight with Toxin becomes close "hand-to-hand," then he can just escape Toxin's grasp by just shrinking down to a miniscule size and hitch a ride on Toxin. While Toxin is momentarily confused by his opponents disappearance, Sugar Man grows large enough to impale Toxin with his weapon-like tongue. And Sugar Man wouldn't have to grow back to full size. He could shrink down onto Toxin's shoulder, then resize himself enough to put his tongue through Toxin's head. A hole in the brain will take Toxin out of the fight just as effectively as one through the abdomen.

Sugar Man wins

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Sugar Man vs Toxin

Prep-time won't matter much in this fight. Sugar Man is before Toxin's time, and Toxin probably won't find anything on Sugar Man. Once they get to the asteroid, both characters will begin searching for each other.

Agreed and recently I found out Pat couldn't get info from Spiderman so that wouldn't work. Now the main thing here is Toxin's houndog form, it's quick and it can pick up scents and follow them. I don't think Sugar Man would be able to do anything to outrun him.

The battle will be something to see. Sugar Man is a formidable opponent, and carries around a couple of nicely lethal hand weapons. But he's going up against Toxin who has a ton of super strength and the agility of Spider-Man. He can also use his tendrils to keep Sugar Man and his weapons at bay.

Actually Toxin doesn't use Tendrils, he has chainlike things for webswinging but he usually useds his claws and blades for fighting. So far he hasn't shown the use of Tendrils to my knowledge.

But Sugar Man's advantage is that ability to shift his size. He could become incredibly large and therefore difficult for Toxin to handle. While Toxin would be small enough that Sugar Man could squash him like a real spider.

Toxin can do the same. His monster form is twice the size of Pat himself so I would think he could grow larger if he neede, and Sugar can only get so big till he breaches the hull and suffocates.

Or Sugar Man can take the fight the other way. If the fight with Toxin becomes close "hand-to-hand," then he can just escape Toxin's grasp by just shrinking down to a miniscule size and hitch a ride on Toxin. While Toxin is momentarily confused by his opponents disappearance, Sugar Man grows large enough to impale Toxin with his weapon-like tongue. And Sugar Man wouldn't have to grow back to full size. He could shrink down onto Toxin's shoulder, then resize himself enough to put his tongue through Toxin's head. A hole in the brain will take Toxin out of the fight just as effectively as one through the abdomen.

See the things is Toxin's survuved pointblank bullet shots and a sword (Razorfists) to the shoulder. The headshot will probaly just piss him off. It's weird as of now the only weakness they showed Toxin having is just acting like a small child.

Winner=Toxin

 

[wiegeabo]

But this isn't bullets that or a sword to the shoulder. Sugar Man's tongue can pierce through anything. And I'm talking about it being put through Toxin's head, destroying his brain. At that point, Toxin is dead. Or Sugar Man could put it through his heart, or seriously wound him enough by putting it through Toxin's abdomin, limiting Toxin's ability to fight. And Sugar Man can always soften up Toxin by wrapping him up in the tongue and beating him against the walls and floor.

The trick is Sugar Man's ability to shrink down. He can become too small for Toxin to keep track of, and when the times is right, he resizes and takes Toxin out in one quick strike.


Sugar Man wins

 

[Zoken]

Tiger Shark Vs. Electro

yet another one of those matches where I can't help but think "It had to be him?!" I'm sorry, but Tiger Shark is a powerful villain... yet you put him agaisnt Electro, and I can't see a scenario of him winning.

 

[Hellstormer]

But this isn't bullets that or a sword to the shoulder. Sugar Man's tongue can pierce through anything. And I'm talking about it being put through Toxin's head, destroying his brain. At that point, Toxin is dead. Or Sugar Man could put it through his heart, or seriously wound him enough by putting it through Toxin's abdomin, limiting Toxin's ability to fight.

Listen Toxin has a spider sense of sorts (sorry only thing I can compare it to) in Toxin #3 Pat tries to jump into a moving train to commit suicide and Toxin is able to transform and stop Pat in mid jump. If Sugar Man really is able to get his tongue to stab Toxin, Toxin deserves to die. And besides that the sword shouldn't be able to kill him in one shot (even a head or heart shot) it'll hurt like hell because of how sharp the tongue is but Toxin's regen should be able to overcome it and tear Sugarman a new one.

And Sugar Man can always soften up Toxin by wrapping him up in the tongue and beating him against the walls and floor.

The first issue of Toxin he fights King Cobra who try's to constrict him but Toxin uses hi size powers and superstrength to overcome him.

The trick is Sugar Man's ability to shrink down. He can become too small for Toxin to keep track of, and when the times is right, he resizes and takes Toxin out in one quick strike.

Yes but how fast can he actually lose and gain mass. Even if he does turn small Toxin can use his spider-er Symbiote Sense (doesn't that sound better?) to dodge the attacks.

 

[wiegeabo]

Jaine Cutter vs Drax

First off, Jaine is very lucky this isn't the old Drax. She could probably still do some damage, but he'd probably just be far too powerful for her.

In this case, Jaine has a very good chance, and this would be a fight to see. Prep-time wouldn't matter to either of them since they likely couldn't learn about the other.

Both are very skilled warriors with super strength and durability. I'd give the strength advantage to Drax, but actually give the durability advantage to Jaine. With her second skin raised, Jaine is virtually invulnerable except to high level magics that Drax wouldn't have. It's much more likely that Jaine can use her claws that can cut through an angel to slice up Drax, then Drax will cut through Jaine's skin with his knives.

Drax can fly and fire blasts of energy. But I doubt the energy will hurt Jaine. And Jaine has her Breathing Gun which warns her of danger (preventing Drax from sneaking up on her) and has sentient ammunition. This means that even while trying to evade while he flies, the gun's bullets will track him.

This is going to be an awesome fight. I see a lot of close range action as knives and claws fly. But, because of her sking, the only one that's going to get injured is Drax. And eventually those injuries will add up and he will fall.

Then Jaine can search the asteroid for a much need drink.

Jaine Cutter wins

 

[Iceman]

OPENING COMMENTS: DRAX Vs JAINE CUTTER

Powers

Drax possesses superhuman strength and durability, and has no apparent need for food or sleep. He has preference for bladed weapondry and hand-to-hand combat.

Superhuman strength, stamina and speed
Highly skilled in use of knives,
Ability to sense Thanos' location,
Psychic detection of others

Superhuman is a term that is often thrown around for those who are only slightly clear of human potential. In this case we are talking about one of the most durable characters in the MU and one posessed of extreme levels of strength.

Jaine is able to raise a second skin, forged from minerals of the River Styx. This skin makes her virtually invulnerable to most forms of attack, although certain high levels of magic can still affect her.

There are probably hundreds of "virtually invulnerable" characters in comics (without the use of a temporary second skin). Drax's durability is rated at 7/7 in the Official MU handbook and could be considered equivalent to virtual invulnerability. When any two heavyweights of this nature meet, one will inevitably have their invulnerability exposed.

Also if the River Styx sounds familiar it's also the source of Achilles' "virtual invulnerability" and we know how that turned out.

In this state, her hands are transformed into razor-sharp talons able to rend virtually any substance. They can even cut through the bones of angels. She is a skilled and savage warrior, and may possess some degree of superhuman strength in her transformed state (enhanced human). She apparently possesses a normal degree of vulnerability without her armor raised.

Her strength levels with the second skin (enhanced human) are not comparable with Drax who is not light years away from the strongest in the MU. Just because her claws are able to cause injury to Drax does not mean she will be able to strike him, and she will need to strike him very hard and many times to achieve anything against one as durable as him. Her skills as a warrior are not on the level of Drax's fighting skills, in particularly with his two knives. Drax also has the edge on speed.

In a gladatorial fight (crucially ignoring location which I consider below) and if Jaine Cutter brings her A game, this fight could potentially last weeks, as long, if not longer, than any other fight so far in this tournament. With the durability of both Jaine Cutter and Drax it will take a hell of a lot for one to bring down the other.

Drax's superior fighting prowess, speed and combat experience would mean that he would land many many more strikes than his opponent who will need a great deal of luck to score even a single hit. However, as time drags on, the fact that Drax requires neither food nor sleep would begin to tell. This guy can theoretically go on as long as necessary without fatigue. After a day or so a weary Jaine Cutter may be able to continue fighting and defending but her chances of hitting Drax at all will be almost zero.

Location
The location means that a prolonged battle is not actually necessary. Asteroid M is huge so the two combatants are likely to be placed at random positions far apart at the start of this battle. Drax has a significant advantage as he can psychically detect Jaine Cutter's presence. She has no way of finding Drax but he can locate her and then stalk her from distance, gradually learning what is necessary for him to win. When ready he can also mount a deadly surprise attack while she is sleeping (he is cunning, ruthless and has en extreme bloodlust nowadays). He may also wait for an opportunity where her second skin armour is not activated which would lead to a very short fight.

Prep Time
Not relevant

Further Evidence

(HellSt#14) - Daimon brought Jaine back to Fire Lake, and they had another rendezvous in his basement, while his wife, Patsy was just beginning to regain her coherence. Afterwards, they traveled to Manhattan where she raised the ghost of one of the Armorer's victims, Dust Johannsen, to learn more about the Armorer's abilities. They tracked down the Armorer and Jaine fought him first. He overpowered her and smashed his Sumerian Ritual Execution blade into her head. While she was incapacitated by this, her invulnerable skull saved her.

(HellSt#15) - Devine sent Jaine and Daimon to Jack Wintergarden's mansion, where they encountered Inanna's Bailiff. The Bailiff incapacitated Jaine and prepared to use the Spanish Mouth Pear on her, until Daimon destroyed him.

Jaine Cutter can be incapacitated in straight combat as is shown in the above quotes despite her virtual invulnerability. Killing her is more difficult but that is not a requirement for victory in this contest. A blow from one with Drax's immense strength could stun Jaine Cutter in the same way that a knight in complete body armour can be knocked out with a heavy warhammer without breaching the armour. Being stunned may also force her to lose the second skin armour.

Conclusion
Jaine Cutter is punching way above her weight. Drax is a nemesis of Thanos and was made in order to defeat Thanos and that is his sole purpose in life.

The Annihilation story is ongoing so any power upgrades/experiences should be discounted. However, Drax's power levels for this tournament are on a similar level (confirmed by PM) so events that occur can be used to illustrate his potential power although they are not proof (ie events that have happened and can be officially referenced) of them. The following occurs in Annihilation:

Drax breaks through Thanos' defensive shield and punches a hole through the Titan's chest.

...and once more demonstrates how powerful Drax can be against other beings who are supposedly invulnerable to physical assault.

WINNER = DRAX

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: DRAX Vs JAINE CUTTER

First off, Jaine is very lucky this isn't the old Drax. She could probably still do some damage, but he'd probably just be far too powerful for her.

Yes she is, and she's going to need a whole lot more luck to get past Drax

In this case, Jaine has a very good chance, and this would be a fight to see. Prep-time wouldn't matter to either of them since they likely couldn't learn about the other.

Agree on all three points

Both are very skilled warriors with super strength and durability. I'd give the strength advantage to Drax, but actually give the durability advantage to Jaine. With her second skin raised, Jaine is virtually invulnerable except to high level magics that Drax wouldn't have. It's much more likely that Jaine can use her claws that can cut through an angel to slice up Drax, then Drax will cut through Jaine's skin with his knives.

I would say Drax is a much more skilled warrior (fighting is all he has ever done while Jaine finds time to be an alcoholic chain smoker and has wasted time posing for magazines and recording music albums). His strength is so much greater than Jaine's "enhanced human" strength that it's not worth debating. As for durability, despite Drax being one of the strongest in the MU in this area, Jaine's skin puts her on at least an even footing (if not greater) in this particular area.

Drax can fly and fire blasts of energy. But I doubt the energy will hurt Jaine. And Jaine has her Breathing Gun which warns her of danger (preventing Drax from sneaking up on her) and has sentient ammunition. This means that even while trying to evade while he flies, the gun's bullets will track him.

The breathing gun doesn't work at long range unlike Drax's psychic detection ability. He therefore has the edge again here. A surprise attack as outlined in my original debate while she is sleeping is still possible although she will be alerted by the gun before she is killed and more able to put up a defence.

This is going to be an awesome fight. I see a lot of close range action as knives and claws fly. But, because of her sking, the only one that's going to get injured is Drax. And eventually those injuries will add up and he will fall.

Agreed on the awesomeness of the fight. It could be one of the best close range battles seen so far in the tournament. As for Jaine not getting injured, I doubt her skin (and this is only if Drax is unable to find a way to stun her and force her to lose it) is any more 'virtually' invulnerable than Thanos' chest:

Before Thanos could release Galactus, however, he was killed by Drax the Destroyer (once again), who ripped his heart out in issue #4. Thanos merely commented, "Hm...interesting." as he looked down at his own heart in Drax's hand.

Then Jaine can search the asteroid for a much need drink.

I'd advise her to have this drink before the fight. Being a complete alcoholic she'll probably be drowning her boredom in a backstreet bar if Drax delays his stalking long enough.


WINNER = DRAX

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

(Remember, you must read through all of this weeks debates before voting. The debates should be the largest percentage of reason for the way you vote; but, they do not have to be the sole reason for your decision.)

 

[hippy fascist]

Toxin (sugarman can attack well but has few true defensive capabilities. Toxin can take him)

Drax (Debate swung it)

Fandral (you debate you win + Nearly pissed myself laughing t: )

Electro (Bad draw for zoken, seriously dude, don't go near any betting shops any time soon )

 

[DarkHellRider]

Toxin-has the advantage to me it seems

Drax- the debate is what swayed me

Fandral-you debate you win

Electro

 

[Harlekin]

Sugar Man - Good debate, but I can see Sugar Man eeking out the win.
Drax - Convinced me.
Fandral
Electro - Would've given it to Tigershark for debate points, but you admitted defeat.

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Toxin

*Drax the Destroyer

*Fandral

*Electro

 

[wiegeabo]

Sugar Man
Jaine Cutter
Fandral (I was voting for Kang the whole time. Then Harl mentioned Kang's sense of honor preventing him from overwelming the fight)
Electro (damn shame about Tigher shark)

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Toxin
Drax
Kang
Electro

 

[kytrigger]

Electro
Toxin-tough match though
Fandral-you debate you win, plus Kang's whole honor thing was really good
Drax-I think it would be a long fight, but I see Drax being able to wear down her armor quicker than her getting to him.

 

[Hellstormer]

Toxin
Electro
Fandral
Drax

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Toxin currently beating Sugar Man 6-2
Drax currently beating Jaine Cutter 7-1
Fandral currently beating Kang 7-1
Electro currently beating Tigershark 8-0