Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[hippy fascist]

Emplate is a mutant vampire. He sucks the powers of a mutant with the aid of vampiric mouths in the palms of his hands turning them into his slaves. While in this plane of existence he can remain unsynched with our reality so as to be invisible. He can also see a mutant's "aura" and tell various things about him or her by that. Bullseye is apparently no mutant eventhough his throwing talents seem to make him superhuman. Anyways, this battle will be short and sweet.

There's no apparently about it, he's not a mutant and that basically takes away half of emplate's power. This will make it an easy win for bullseye.

Emplate is unsynched with this reality meaning Bullesye cannot even touch him. Plus he can contact other dimensions that he can bring things to and from, such as how he brought Penance to Earth and trapped Monet in her frame, and how he will deal with Bullseye...

in order to do any harm to bullseye he would have to come into our reality. With bullseye's enhanced reflexes this would result in emplate getting caught out and getting the beating of his life. Either that or could simply whip out a knife and cut the strap on emplates mask which is nexessary for him to survive.

Prep Time: Emplate could find out about Bullseye through his network and information available to him. Bullseye should not find much information on Emplate.

Please elaborate on this network, bullseye is known for being able to get his hands on the most obscure pieces of information. I am not aware of any network that emplate has access to him. Bullseye wins on preptime.

Location: Emplate would know Muir Island relatively well but Bullseye would not.

Please, bullseye is a proffesional. He will have worked out every choke point and be ready for any kind of ambush. He'll probably come up with some pretty good ones of his own as well.

This battle would end up being Emplate, in invisible and unsynched with reality form, searching for Bullseye. When he does find him he would simply then transport Bullseye to another dimension and trap him there. Then he would calmly make his way back.

He can't just wave his hand and teleport people away. From what i can tell he has to open a physical portal and push or drag his opponent through. THIS GUY HAS GONE TO TOE WITH DAREDEVIL. He will not be able to use any such strategy and will get his ass handed to him for trying.

It would not be much fun for him as there were no mutant powers for him to steal....hmmmm or were there.....*As emplate shoots a rock through a hole 25 meters away*

Not only that, but he's going to be getting weaker and weaker as he walks round unsinked. Bullseye has no such limitations and MUCH more combat experience, particuarly in this kind of location. It's an easy win bullseye

WINNER: BULLSEYE!

 

[JewishHobbit]

On the Bullseye Vs Emplate match. I'm going to step in and make a comment because there's a misrepresentation in the powers (not intentionally on any part, but I just noticed it, so I thought I'd mention it).

In Generation X 12-14 I believe, we meet Chamber's x-girlfriend, a human. named Gayle She was the one injured when his powers manifested. Anyhow, she had joined Emplate and he had used his powers on her and turned her into a 'vampire' like him. His powers do work on baseline humans. He isn't limited to just mutants.

(not sure if this was misrepresented last round, but I just noticed it and figured I'd bring it up.)

I remember the issues, so I know it's accurate, but below is the link to Wiki and it mentions this in there as well.

Wiki

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Ok, bad draw for emplate this time t:

In so far that he probably will get bored on how easy this battle will be for him

Bullseye is one of the most skilled assassins on the planet. He is used to slinking through the shadows and choosing just the right moment to strike, sometimes through solid windows from a hundred yrds away using only a toothpick!

He will not be able to strike from a distance here as emplate will be invisible and unsynched to this reality with him.

So, prep time wise bullseye will know pretty much everything that there is to know about emplate. He will know about his interdimensional travel and his invisibility. Now this would seem like a great set of powers on the surface. The key here is emplate's focus towards mutants.

First of all, I do not know why Bullseye would know everything about Emplate. Second, if Bullseye would go into the battle assuming he is immune then he is in for an enourmous dissappointment.

He is used to tracking mutants from their auras and sucking them dry to power himself up. Making himself invisilbe uses up this power so he would not be able to remain in this state for long. Bullseye, contrary to what some people believe, is not a mutant. This means that emplate will be fighting blind. Bullseye on the other hand is used to stalking his opponents. He will wait for just the right moment and flick a paperclip at the clasp on emplate's mask which he needs to survive. Once that's off bullseye will go in for the kill.

Emplate will not be able to track Bullseye using sense of a mutant aura but Bullseye will not be able to track Emplate at all.

Being unsynched with reality means you leave no trace and are invisible to the naked eye. Bullseye cannot smell, hear or see Emplate until Emplate allows him too.

Alternatively he could simply keep his distance from emplate and wait for him to run out of mutant energy and allow him to get sucked back into his hell dimension. Either way, against a non mutant emplate is screwed.

He is not because he can suck Bulleseye as well. He will just not be gaining any cool mutant power, but it will render Bullseye inoperable, weak, and in another dimension.

WINNER: EMPLATE!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

There's no apparently about it, he's not a mutant and that basically takes away half of emplate's power. This will make it an easy win for bullseye.

No it does not. Emplate's vampiric powers works on humans too.

in order to do any harm to bullseye he would have to come into our reality. With bullseye's enhanced reflexes this would result in emplate getting caught out and getting the beating of his life. Either that or could simply whip out a knife and cut the strap on emplates mask which is nexessary for him to survive.

Bullseye which is used to doing battle with Daredevil, a human with enhaced senses, would not be able to defend against Emplat who would be feeding on him, weakenning him and dumping him into another dimension.

Please elaborate on this network, bullseye is known for being able to get his hands on the most obscure pieces of information. I am not aware of any network that emplate has access to him. Bullseye wins on preptime.

The network of his vampiric followers. Yes I realise it is not that strong an argument, but he should know of a villain that is as well known as Bullseye whose name is a clear indicator of his skills. Emplate however is very obscure and is not in a circle from which Bullseye would find information useful to him.

Please, bullseye is a proffesional. He will have worked out every choke point and be ready for any kind of ambush. He'll probably come up with some pretty good ones of his own as well.

He also does not have full plans of Muir Island and a field trip there to work out every choke point. There is 24 hours of prep time not 24 days, and the flight in themselves would take up almsot the 24 hours if he was in the States battling Daredevil.

He can't just wave his hand and teleport people away. From what i can tell he has to open a physical portal and push or drag his opponent through. THIS GUY HAS GONE TO TOE WITH DAREDEVIL. He will not be able to use any such strategy and will get his ass handed to him for trying.

Daredevil generally wins all his battles with Bullseye especially when they start fighting hand to hand and Daredevil to remind those who may not know has

- Superhumanly acute sense of touch, smell, taste & hearing

- Radar-like "proximity sense"

- Expert martial artist & boxer

- Two billy clubs, used in both offense and defense

In other words, he is only peak human at best. Bullseye with supposed enhanced human reflexes can at best get a draw against Daredevil.

Now all the above may be very interesting except that at soon as Emplate will unsynch himself it will be to feed on Bullseye meaning the instant Bullseye could touch him, he would be weak because of the feeding.

Emplate will simply dump him onto another dimension thereafter.

WINNER: EMPLATE

 

[Phaedrus45]

Sphinx is several thousand years old, he's going to have enough experience in combat to know when his head is being messed with. I doubt he could go through all he has without coming up against a telepath or illusionist at least once. Plus, lets not forget that Sphinx can manipulate reality as well, so whatever the Psycho Man distorts, Sphinx will set right (or at least attempt to as the Psycho Man's projections are only illusions and not reality he will be warping reality around him in dangerous ways that are bound to effect Psycho Man

First, I reitterate the point that Sphinx will not know anything about Psycho Man. Now, I do want to point out that many a superhero has been aware that their minds will be played with, like Spider-Man facing Mysterio, Batman facing Scarecrow, or Reed Richards facing Psycho Man. But, the power of the illusion still takes them over, even if they know who they are facing. (It's like using hard drugs. You might tell your mind that what you're experiencing is the drugs; but, that really doesn't help you one bit.) Plus, there is one incorrect statement in your rebuttal. You say "Psycho Man's projections are only illusions and not reality;" but, as I pointed out, "Psycho Man can even generate solid energy forms to give substance to his illusions." It goes beyond illusions.

Sphinx has telepathic abilities, and Psycho Man's powers affect his mind, so at the very least, Sphinx would know his mind was being manipulated. In any case, the Psycho Man would have to be within range of Sphinx to warp his mind, and by getting in that range, Sphinx would be able to copy his intelligence (which is not only substantial but includes the fact that his mind is about to be manipulated). this will allow him to know what is and isn't real and how to shut down the illusions.

As I've pointed out, the effect is like a drug, and you cannot will a drug's effect away that easily. Plus, when you can make illusions reality, the idea he'll know his mind is being effected is negated. And, like I said, Psycho Man would just do what Susan Richards did to Psycho Man. Put everything on full blast and shut down Sphinx's nervous system.

Winner = Psycho Man

 

[Zoken]

I had to debate you our first round back... Zoken-Luck

Sphinx has experience and longevity on his side, and I believe that will give him the edge he needs to control himself long enough to get inside of Psycho Man's mind. No matter how real they feel, they are still illusions which Sphinx could fight through. no matter what, this would be an interesting match.

 

[DarkHellRider]

Thing Vs quasar

It would seem that Thing is at a disadvantage but If he could get one good strong punch in the face would knock quasar out. So all Ben would have to do is just get close enough fast enough to punch him before he could put up a sheild or just wait for Quasar to wear out then go for a close assault.

WIth bens strength eh could stay at a distce and hurl huge rock or any heavy oblect to keep qausare on the defensive so this woulkd be a tough match but one the thing could win with a little mind power.

Winner Thing

 

[Phaedrus45]

I had to debate you our first round back... Zoken-Luck

Sphinx has experience and longevity on his side, and I believe that will give him the edge he needs to control himself long enough to get inside of Psycho Man's mind. No matter how real they feel, they are still illusions which Sphinx could fight through. no matter what, this would be an interesting match.

Yep, this is a really good match; both characters could have met much further in future rounds of this tournament if not for the bad Zoken-Luck of the draw by having to face each other so quickly in Round 2. As it seems not much else is being said, I'll sign off on this match. I'll just point out that after being made into solid energy forms, the illusions do become realilty at that point.

 

[kytrigger]

That's cool. But I will say this in rebuttal about the tremor thing. He used it only once, but he was only in 3 or 4 issues totle, so he didn't have much time to do it. And even if we did go with it being hard for him with that much concentration (which I honestly disagree with).... he dropped a good 20 people or so quickly. If he could do that with concentration.... I'd imagine one person would be quite a bit easier. One tremor, and Scalphunter is Abyss food.

okay, so I wasn't able to get a hold of the issue where he uses the psychic tremor, so I'll just rebutt with my wits.

The part about it being easier to knock down Scalphunter since he is only one person as opposed to 20 people isn't necessarily true. You called it a psychic tremor, whic is much like an earthquake. Think about it like this, if there are 2 earthquakes that are both 9.0s, but one is in a major city, while one is in a desert inhabited by very few people, does one take more energy to create than the other? No. Just because the one in the city kills many more people, doesn't make it harder to "create" than the one that only killed a few people. What I'm saying is, Abyss still needs to create an entire psychic tremor for it to hurt Scalphunter. He could very easily only be able to really create this one type of psychic attack that actually affects an area instead of just focusing on one person. And while it's true that there isn't much evidence with Abyss in it, if his psychic powers were actually that strong within him, they would have been shown more.

Either way, Abyss doesn't use it often. It could be that it is extrmeely difficult and taxing for him to do, or it could be somehtign simpler, like that he just prefers not to use it. Abyss is pretty sadistic, and he likes to toy with his enemies and kill them up close. he enjoys that IMO and that is somethign he can't do really with a psychic attack, which is why he rarely uses it.

There are a couple of reasons Abyss wouldn't use his psychic attack on Scalphunter, and while I personally believe it is hard for him to do, it could just as easily be that he doesn't want to, whic hkind of fits into his personality. Either way, the attack isn't his preferred method of attack, and somethign I doubt he would just use in a one-on-one battle here.

 

[JewishHobbit]

okay, so I wasn't able to get a hold of the issue where he uses the psychic tremor, so I'll just rebutt with my wits.

The part about it being easier to knock down Scalphunter since he is only one person as opposed to 20 people isn't necessarily true. You called it a psychic tremor, whic is much like an earthquake. Think about it like this, if there are 2 earthquakes that are both 9.0s, but one is in a major city, while one is in a desert inhabited by very few people, does one take more energy to create than the other? No. Just because the one in the city kills many more people, doesn't make it harder to "create" than the one that only killed a few people. What I'm saying is, Abyss still needs to create an entire psychic tremor for it to hurt Scalphunter. He could very easily only be able to really create this one type of psychic attack that actually affects an area instead of just focusing on one person. And while it's true that there isn't much evidence with Abyss in it, if his psychic powers were actually that strong within him, they would have been shown more.

Either way, Abyss doesn't use it often. It could be that it is extrmeely difficult and taxing for him to do, or it could be somehtign simpler, like that he just prefers not to use it. Abyss is pretty sadistic, and he likes to toy with his enemies and kill them up close. he enjoys that IMO and that is somethign he can't do really with a psychic attack, which is why he rarely uses it.

There are a couple of reasons Abyss wouldn't use his psychic attack on Scalphunter, and while I personally believe it is hard for him to do, it could just as easily be that he doesn't want to, whic hkind of fits into his personality. Either way, the attack isn't his preferred method of attack, and somethign I doubt he would just use in a one-on-one battle here.

Keep in mind still though, there's no mention or anything that he has any problem with doing the tremor. There's no mention of it being hard to do, or that it takes extra effort to do it..... that's all your speculation. Juding by Abyss' comic appearances, he can do it just fine.

But playing along with your idea, I can see your reasoning, but there's this too.... you couldn't find the issue so you wouldn't know, but he dropped all those people, but left all the X-Men in the location standing.... which means he pinpointed each of those people and dropped them just to mess with the X-Men. That means he can pinpoint Scalphunter just as easily.

Yeah, he plays with his food, and the tremor is just another way to play with him. Either way, it'll easily aid him in his victory.

 

[hippy fascist]

No it does not. Emplate's vampiric powers works on humans too.




Bullseye which is used to doing battle with Daredevil, a human with enhaced senses, would not be able to defend against Emplat who would be feeding on him, weakenning him and dumping him into another dimension.




The network of his vampiric followers. Yes I realise it is not that strong an argument, but he should know of a villain that is as well known as Bullseye whose name is a clear indicator of his skills. Emplate however is very obscure and is not in a circle from which Bullseye would find information useful to him.





He also does not have full plans of Muir Island and a field trip there to work out every choke point. There is 24 hours of prep time not 24 days, and the flight in themselves would take up almsot the 24 hours if he was in the States battling Daredevil.




Daredevil generally wins all his battles with Bullseye especially when they start fighting hand to hand and Daredevil to remind those who may not know has

- Superhumanly acute sense of touch, smell, taste & hearing

- Radar-like "proximity sense"

- Expert martial artist & boxer

- Two billy clubs, used in both offense and defense

In other words, he is only peak human at best. Bullseye with supposed enhanced human reflexes can at best get a draw against Daredevil.

Now all the above may be very interesting except that at soon as Emplate will unsynch himself it will be to feed on Bullseye meaning the instant Bullseye could touch him, he would be weak because of the feeding.

Emplate will simply dump him onto another dimension thereafter.

WINNER: EMPLATE

OK, so ahura's had one more debate than me so I'm going to bit in one last debate.

Sumation

Ahura's character requires power to stay in the physical realm, he also needs it to activate all these wonderful abilites, (which someone seems to be unaware of ). Bullseye is a proffesional, he will know about all of emplates abilities and know that if he finds somewhere to hide he can simply wait out emplate till he's weak enough that he has to re-enter the physical realm, guess about 15-20 minutes max. Emplate is used to relying on his abilities to track mutants, as a result finding bullseye will be a major pain in the ass. All it takes is one shot from bulllseye and emplates down for the count.

Ultimately this comes down to whether or not emplate can find bullseye fast enough. I leave that up to the voters to decide


WINNER: BULLSEYE!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

(Remember, you must read and consider all debates before you are allowed to vote. Also, you must have a post count of 100 on The Hype and vote in all four threads to make your votes count.)

 

[kytrigger]

Bullseye -I think that Bullseye would know of Emplate's powers and that he would be prepared for him to unsynch near him. Also, I think Bullseye is good enough to stay away form Emplate long enough to drain his energy
Scalphunter
Sphinx--REAL tough decision, but I think that since he doesn't know anythign about Psycho-man that he would coem into the fight with defenses on everythign, including his mind, which would protect him long enough to know what psycho-man's game is.
Quasar

 

[wiegeabo]

Emplate (I don't think it would be so easy for Bullseye to find stuff on Emplate)
Abyss
Sphinx (although it could go either way. Too close to call.)
Quasar

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Psycho Man

*Scalphunter

*Emplate - (I just can't see how Bullseye would have information on Emplate. If he could, I would have voted for him. But, I think this is an extemely back luck of the draw for Bullseye.)

*Quasar - (Poor Thing is toast. Just can't vote for the "lucky shot" theory.)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Bullseye
Abyss
Sphinx (tough decision)
Quasar

 

[Zoken]

Bullseye
Abyss
Sphinx
Quasar

 

[Hellstormer]

Sphinx
Abyss (Sorry Scalp's out of his league)
Emplate (Even though Morph could've taken him so easily)
Quasar (Even though both debates were subpar)

 

[hippy fascist]

Bullseye

Abyss: Outclassed

Sphinx: 51%

Quasar: Pwned

 

[DarkHellRider]

Bullseye
Abyss
Sphinx
thing

 

[primemover]

Sphinx
Abyss
Emplate
Quasar

 

[Harlekin]

Psycho Man
Scalphunter
Emplate
Quasar

 

[hippy fascist]

Results So Far

Sphinx Is Currently Beating Psycho Man 8-2
Abyss is currently beating Scalphunter 7-3
Bullseye Is Currently Tied With Emplate 5-5
Quasar is Currently Beating Thing 9-1

 

[Darthphere]

Sphinx
Abyss
Bullseye
Quasar

 

[Canadian Rider]

Psycho Man
Abyss
Emplate -- Compulsive driven to know his opponents -- without extensive knowledge Bullseye will be unhinged
Quasar