We'll close it up after I rebuttle one more time. I'll just respond to the stuff that I think requires it. Other points I'll leave to the voter to decide.
REBUTTAL: Moonstone vs Bishop
Is it possible that she'd go for other attacks first? Yes, and you're required to mention that because she's your character, but in the few issues of Thunderbolts that I've read, in every fight she started off with energy blasts, and usually not small ones.
There's two possible scenarios. Either she starts off with the blasts and notices that Bishop just takes them head on, and in an extreme case, starts glowing. The moment he fires that energy back, she's onto him. The other scenario is her using her powers to defeat him. Lest we forget, she can do stuff like create gravity shells, which make her opponent completely immobile.
She might be able to get info on him, but I doubt it... whereas Bishop has all his police and such files to get info on her during her criminal days and her Thunderbolts days. He'll have her all figured out and will have the prep-time to charge himself and prepare.
Okay, so he didn't get very public. He still got public. That means that, even though it's a tiny shred of info, Moonstone can find out about it. She's not going to twiddle her thumbs 24 hours. She's either looking up info or training her powers some more.
He can easily pack the firepower to take her out. Either through pure force, dropping trees on her, etc. She's going to have a tougher match than anyone expected, and Bishop's pre match planning and lifetime experience battling super powered villains will win it for him. And her cockiness will sure help.
If Moonstone feels the heat, it's up into the sky. Pure force won't do it. She can teleport, she can phase, she can turn invisible, she can create force fields and she can toy with gravity while also having superhuman endurance. She's going to be a lot tougher than Bishop in that regard.
Whose to say that he'll just stand there and atack? He's a tactition. He'll attack with surprise, set ups, he'll utilize his environment (and it isn't like that's something that has to be planned before doing, it's trees and streams). He'll find ways to make his attacks land, even though he may get a few cuts and bruises along the way. He can get it to work like he has for years.
But, heck, she's extremely intelligent as well. She knows how these kind of people work. Anyone who sees Bishop knows he's an army kind of guy. That means ambushes and the like. Moonstone is a professional and very good psychiatrist. There is a reason they call her the master manipulator.
And I no longer have my X-Treme X-Men comics but I could have sworn he killed aliens during the Invasion arc and things of that nature. Since then he helped kill the Fury. He killed Fitzroy and before that he helped kill the Phalanx that were attacking the Shi'ar (and I don't remember what he was doing before that, but I think I've made my point). He will kill when necessary, and even for the sake of argument if we were to say that he wouldn't find this a situation to kill... who cares?
Just a quick note: When it comes to aliens, all of the X-Men kill. For some reason, they have no qualms killing alien life such as the Phalanx.
You don't have to kill to win the match, just render your opponant unconsious, which is something he's very good at. He won't pull his punches and he won't have to.
But it does give an edge. It's always easier to snap someone's neck than to knock them out.
But she won't know about the glasses helping him. Why would she take away something of his wardrobe? Is she going to take his pants and shirt too? There's no reason to take his glasses. She may try to take his weapons (though I could see him somehow rigging them to shock her if she tried, remember he has 24 hours of preptime to play with), but I don't see her going for his glasses in the slightest.
Actually, she might just take away his clothes, yeah. She's arrogant enough to do it. And y'know, in seventies porn style, they'd have hot sex afterwards.
Kitty, Neophyte, Mountjoy (kinda), Shard, Doorman. Shard may not count as her's came due to the digital upgrade, but still, they're around, and in 100 years when he's policing the mutants of the world, and has for years, I'm sure he's met some and had to face them. I am assuming, so I'll leave that up to the voters to decide if he has experience against them.
Even then there is a host of other powers she can use.
Possibly, who knows. Then again, why show off stuff when you want to win (as you have stated), why not go with what you know works?
Because she's an arrogant ***** and she knows they're being watched by something.
So she flies away and opens a blackhole? Kinda deus ex machina and overkill isn't it. I'd call it a cheap victory myself, and if Bishop proves to be difficult enough to where she has to resort to puting her own self in danger with a black hole, then I'm proud to call Bishop my character, and if it gets to that point, chances are that Bishop's already taken her out. I'm not too worried about the black hole. I'll let the voters decide on that.
Except... y'know, you choose to harp on the black hole thing. I mentioned all the other things she can do to him. You'll notice that I mentioned the black hole as the last possibility.
She could be just fine, though refer to my previous statement that puts him further than her.
Except, again, y'know,
super speed capable of reaching escape velocity!
Yeah. The point is, a messed up Cytorakk Juggy is still a strong foe that Psylocke nor Beast could take out.
So he didn't even face him? You still haven't told me when they actually fought.
This was just an idea that I really can't say one way or the other if it would happen. Just throwing the idea out there. She may not omit energy in a punch, but I'd certainly say that things like energy blasts, phazing, and black holes would omit some type of energy for him to absorb.
Energy blasts? Yes. Phasing? No. Gravity shells? No. Great big punch to the jaw? No.
Now, I'm not much for summarising, but in this little debate, it got lost just what Moonstone can do to Bishop:
- Class 100 strength? I think class 100 is a little over the top, but with her claims of exponential growth, 50 class really isn't far fetched. That is already too much for Bishop, with normal strength, to handle.
- Combine this strength with superspeed. Unlike her former comrades, she has no qualms with destroying everything in her path. She doesn't care for civilian life, and Bishop certainly will. A combination of superspeed, a hostage and superstrength should be enough.
- Bishop can't hurt Moonstone while intangible with normal attacks. As soon as he's expanded his energy (which can hurt Moonstone) and she's taken care of his guns, Bishop won't be able to do jack against her phasing power.
- Forcefields will easily ward off anything Bishop throws at her.
- She can superspeed his fancy shades and then just turn invisible.
- Gravity manipulation. Bishop can't absorb energy from being thrown around or from being crushed into nothing.
- Teleportation to avoid Bishop.
- Just plain generate a friggin' mini black hole and suck him into it.
WINNER=MOONSTONE
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