Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

Sphinx - Dude's a brute. Had him last season, loved him!
Abyss
Emplate - Close call, but well debated on both sides.
Quasar
 
Sphinx - Hmmm one of the ubers that it will be tough to get out
Abyss
Emplate
Quasar
 
Final Results:

Sphinx beat Psycho Man 11-3
Abyss beat Scalphunter 11-3
Emplate beat Bullseye 8-6
Quasar beat Thing 13-1
 
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BRACKET 5,

Match 3:

Mandarin (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

Hisako Ichiki (Harlekin) bio




Match 4:

Scorpio (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio



vs.

Victor Mancha (ZOKEN) bio


 
Bracket 6:

Match 3:

Maxam (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio



vs.

Ultimus (PHAEDRUS45) bio




Match 4:

Kitty Pryde (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



vs.

Wrecker (PRIMEMOVER) bio


 
LOCATION: THE NEGATIVE ZONE

The Negative Zone is a fictional alternate universe or dimension in Marvel Comics that contains antimatter.

History

The Negative Zone is a fictional dimension in the Marvel Comics Universe. Essentially, it is a universe parallel to Earth's. The two have many similarities, but a few noteworthy differences include: all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged; the Negative Zone is entirely filled with a pressurized, breathable atmosphere; and near the center of the Negative Zone is a deadly vortex of unspeakable power. Since the Negative Zone is largely uninhabited, several would-be conquerors have attempted to bridge the gap to Earth and take over its population. A few notable residents of the Negative Zone include Blastaar, Annihilus and Stygorr.
 
OPENING COMMENTS: Hisako Ichiki vs Mandarin

The Mandarin is an old decrepit megalomaniac that gets beat up by a guy in a tin can.

Hisako Ichiki isn't.

WINNER=HISAKO ICHIKI
 
LOCATION: Negative Zone

General Description

The Negative Zone is universe parallel to Earth's. The two have many similarities, but a few noteworthy differences include: all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged; the Negative Zone is entirely filled with a pressurized, breathable atmosphere; and near the center of the Negative Zone is a deadly vortex of unspeakable power. Since the Negative Zone is largely uninhabited, several would-be conquerors have attempted to bridge the gap to Earth and take over it's population.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Negative_Zone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_Zone

http://www.ffplaza.com/commcenter/ar...tiveZone.shtml

(Above, you'll find three bios on this location. I figure we'll go with the world most know, Arthos. That is where Annihilus is from. As the inhabitants of these worlds would probably get into a fight with the characters, we'll say the location is uninhabited.)
 
Mandarin vs Hisako Ichiki

Prep-time probably won't help either opponent in this case. So they both will enter the fight ready to go. Hisako with her armor raised, Mandarin with his rings at the ready.

Mandarin has a number of rings with give him ranged phsyical attacks. While it may keep him away from Hisako, their's no guarantee they'll get through her armor. His willpower should be able to outlast her's, but he can't rely on that.

With his White and Black Light rings, Mandarin may be able to blind Hasako. But that won't take her out of the fight. He should be able to use his Matter Rearranger ring to the matter in her body, or change the air she's breathing into a poison.

Or Mandarin could take the mental route and control Hisako's mind with his Mento-Intensifier ring. He'd have to be close to Hisako for it to work, but she would also need to be close to him to hit him. And when she tries, she'll fall into the trap.

There are a number of ways for Mandarin to win this fight. And he can use a combination of these techniques at the same time to ensure he does.


Mandarin wins
 
Victor Mancha Vs. Scorpio

This is a pathetically easy win for Victor, not because Scorpio is a small timer (I recognize that Scorpio is an Avenger level baddie), but because of what Scorpio is: and android. even if it's buried deep inside of him, He he has metal within him and Victor can manipulate magnetics on a grand scale.

Now first off, Prep-Time. This is in favor of Victor since he is not well known to the world at large. However Scorpio, having been a part of many criminal organizations, is almost certain to be in the Pride's databases, which are more than accessable to Victor. He'll know who Scorpio is, and what the NEgative Zone is. he'll download the information into his mind, as he's mentioned that he can hack his own programming this wouldn't be difficult. He'll make sure he has the most comprehensive map of the NEgative Zone possible.

The fight itself. Okay, this is where things go down hill fast for Scorpio. they Victor will quickly seek out his opponent. He will probably keep a lowlevel magnetic feild up to search for any type of metal, including Scorpio and the Zodiac Key. upon locating Scorpio, he will hold him a good distance away, to protect his biological systems from the neurotoxin, and if he doesn't just electromagnetically take him apart, then he'll use and EMP and while the LMD's hard drive, possibly short circuting the Zodiac Key (Scorpio was listed as a tech user, so I am assuming the Zodiac Key is an peice of earthly technology).

Winner is Victor easy, despite having a strong opponent.
 
Kitty Pryde Vs Wrecker

Yikes, this is a tough one. Wrecker's power could probably lay Kitty flat with one punch, but he will probably never touch her. Kitty is ninja (or samaraii?) and she can fight with the best of them, but I don't know that she's good enough to take out someone as durable as Wrecker.

It's a tough call. Both are highly experienced, both are team players, though both can fight alone just fine. The location does nothing for either participant. I figure that both can learn about the other, so they'd know what they're getting into, they just have to figure out how to win.

Heh, and while I type this I have actually thought of a way to Kitty to win! She can not only phase herself, but other things as well. My thinking is that Wrecker will go all swinging at Kitty and she will phase. But the win comes from when Kitty manages to phase the crowbar out of Wrecker's hand. This will revert Wrecker into a plain man again (strength and durability wise). She can put the crowbar beneath the ground (using her phasing) possibly way down if she goes down there herself with it.

Then it becomes a physical fight between a normal construction worker level man, and a highly experienced ninja that can phase through punch after punch. At that point, Kitty has it in the bag.

Winner - Kitty Pryde
 
Match 4:

Scorpio (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio



vs.

Victor Mancha (ZOKEN) bio




While at first I thought that this match would be hard for Scorpio to win, but after doing a little research, it would be fairly easy. (and even though Scorpio is not as well known as Victor, hopefully you will see this too.)

Victor would not be able to control or destroy the Zodiac Key. The key is not made like standard tech and is definitly not earthly. In the Zodiac Key's bio, it is clearly stated that the key was made in the Anka dimension, not on Earth and is made from an unknown mineral, not any kind of tech Victor could control.

The key is extremely powerful and would be enough to destroy Victor. Scorpio would not have to worry about Victor controling him, because using the Zodiac Key, Scorpio has figured out how to transform himself into water. Water has no tech, therefore nothing for Victor to control. While Victor is searching, Scorpio could be in water form, ready for the surprise attack. After Victor passed, Scorpio could reform and destroy Victor with the key in a number of ways, or even use the key to destroy Victor while still in water form since the key can be controled by Scorio's mind as well.

If worse came to worse, the Zodiac Key, on its own, has reconstructed Scorpio many times and healed all fatal wounds. If for some reason Victor got in a lucky shot, the Zodiac Key would reform Scorpio, bringing him back to life to end Victor's.

Winner:Scorpio
 
Rebuttle:

Okay, Victor can't manipulate the Zodiac Key, I didn't know what it was made from and was really guessing on that. However, that doesn't change what Scorpio is and how the Zodiac key works.

It clearly states in his bio that the Key refuses to resolve conflict for him. The key has it's own sentience. There for the one shot one kill idea doesn't fly with me. as for Scorpio turning into water, fine Victor will know that he can do that and keep his senses open for water as well as metal. He'll shock the hell out of any puddle he comes across. Victor isn't a technopath, though he has demonstrated skills aproaching that. He is electro-kinetic and magneto-kinetic. He was designed by Ultron to eradicate every last hero on the planet. He has the information network of a former shadow syndicate known as "The Pride" at his fingertips, and is known to be a fanboy. At the very least Victor will have heard of Scorpio already. a couple minutes in the Pride's computers and he'll have all the information he could want on Scorpio.

to get any sort of hit in on him, he'd have to return to a solid state, at which point Victor would use the metal in his body to imobilize him, then use an EMP to whipe his memory and set him on his merry way, or destroy him as he's only an LMD. if Scorpio uses the Zodiac key to create other LMD's to do his fighting they are just as susceptable as he is. The Zodiac key won't end the fight, so Scorpio would have to try and do it, and that would not end well for him. the Zodiac key may bring him back, but Victor can handle it.
 
EXTRA COMMENTS: Hisako Ichiki vs Mandarin

So I've decided to scrounge up some scans on Hisako's armor:

These show the strength of her armor, but also that it only has one actual weakness: Adamantium.

I won't rebutt Wieg's opening argument since it is pretty much true. There are a few ways in which Mandarin can win this match. This is dependant however, on whether he gets the chance. Hisako's edge is that of surprise and her seeming weakness.

The Mandarin is your typical gloating villain, who would be too arrogant to take down Hisako immediately. Heck, I could see his ego even allowing Hisako one free hit. He'll certainly make it a fight, rather than a one-hit-KO kind of thing. That's his downfall. He has no enhanced endurance or the like, and it's really only needed for Hisako to hit him once good and not relent to take him down.

Do you think she can take him by surprise? Vote for Hisako.
Do you think the Mandarin will be arrogant enough to give her a chance? Vote for Hisako.
Do you just hate the Mandarin in general? Vote for Hisako.

WINNER=HISAKO ICHIKI
 
EXTRA COMMENTS: Hisako Ichiki vs Mandarin

I won't rebutt Wieg's opening argument since it is pretty much true. There are a few ways in which Mandarin can win this match. This is dependant however, on whether he gets the chance. Hisako's edge is that of surprise and her seeming weakness.

The Mandarin is your typical gloating villain, who would be too arrogant to take down Hisako immediately. Heck, I could see his ego even allowing Hisako one free hit. He'll certainly make it a fight, rather than a one-hit-KO kind of thing. That's his downfall. He has no enhanced endurance or the like, and it's really only needed for Hisako to hit him once good and not relent to take him down.

Do you think she can take him by surprise? Vote for Hisako.
Do you think the Mandarin will be arrogant enough to give her a chance? Vote for Hisako.
Do you just hate the Mandarin in general? Vote for Hisako.

WINNER=HISAKO ICHIKI


Mandarin might be smug enough to let her get the first shot in. But he's not dumb enough to do it without the personal forcefield he uses.

The field probably won't be as strong as Hisako's armor. But it should protect him enough so he can survive the first hit and use his rings with extreme prejudice.

If he lets her get in the first shot and doesn't just wipe her out in the first second because she's so far beneath him. All glory to the Mandarin!


Mandarin wins.
 
Haven't gotten a ruling on my issues with The Wrecker and the usage of his powers, but the evidence I have gathered from reading comics is that he does indeed still have his innate super powers granted to him via Karnilla, or in the case that he has recently lost his powers, when in contact with the magically powered crowbar he gets those powers back and still has them even when seperated from the crowbar, and does not immediately lose those powers. I am going to work under those assumptions.


Without going into The Wreckers biography, The Wrecker has super strength, high durability and endurance, as he has tore apart solid steel and can take bullets. With the crowbar he has demonstrated other feats such as telekinesis, illusions, teleportation, force blasts, mind control and the ability to give super powers to others. He can be looked at as a low-rent Thor, as his powers are Asgardian in origin and the crowbar is a mystically powered item similiar to Mjolnir. As with Mjolnir too, if The Wrecker throws the crowbar it will return to him.

The Wrecker would have basic knowledge of Shadowcat as she is a high profile mutant, but would probably have limited or no knowledge of her ninjitsu skills and S.H.E.I.L.D. training, though I doubt he would care if he did. She would have full knowledge of him, but I could see some details about what the crowbar itself can do be glossed over.


Most of this fight would be at a standstill, as The Wreckers basic attacks wouldn't be able to touch Shadowcat and her ability to go intangible and her speed and agility, and the most Shadowcat could do against The Wrecker is annoy him with any hand to hand attacks or any ordinance she throws at him, since he is extremely strong and durable.

Shadowcat will have to go tangible to land any kind of attack, whether it be hand to hand or with any kind of weapon, so she will eventually be open for attack. I see The Wrecker pressing the attack as he usually does, getting more and more frustrated as he goes on as he uses the crowbar to tear apart the ground and any structures nearby, throwing the crowbar at Shadowcat and using force blasts which will continue to thrash the environment and eventually catching Shadowcat with falling debris. One major weak spot for Shadowcat is she cannot breath when phasing through solid matter, this will aid in causing her to scramble and eventually leading her to be exposed to being attacked.

The Winner: The Wrecker
 
Kitty Pryde Vs Wrecker

Yikes, this is a tough one. Wrecker's power could probably lay Kitty flat with one punch, but he will probably never touch her. Kitty is ninja (or samaraii?) and she can fight with the best of them, but I don't know that she's good enough to take out someone as durable as Wrecker.

It's a tough call. Both are highly experienced, both are team players, though both can fight alone just fine. The location does nothing for either participant. I figure that both can learn about the other, so they'd know what they're getting into, they just have to figure out how to win.

Heh, and while I type this I have actually thought of a way to Kitty to win! She can not only phase herself, but other things as well. My thinking is that Wrecker will go all swinging at Kitty and she will phase. But the win comes from when Kitty manages to phase the crowbar out of Wrecker's hand. This will revert Wrecker into a plain man again (strength and durability wise). She can put the crowbar beneath the ground (using her phasing) possibly way down if she goes down there herself with it.

Then it becomes a physical fight between a normal construction worker level man, and a highly experienced ninja that can phase through punch after punch. At that point, Kitty has it in the bag.


Winner - Kitty Pryde

Phasing the crowbar away from The Wrecker isn't as easy as you make it see, for two reasons.

Number one is whoever touches the crowbar can be mentally controlled to bring it back to him, as Kitty takes the crowbar underground he will use this power to have her literally bring it back to him, then while she is dazed he will knock her out.

Number two is the crowbar will, like Mjolnir, come back to a conscious Wrecker, and it being a tremendously powerful object near the level of Mjolnir, it will break through the ground to return to him.


On the issue of him returning to an average human when seperated from the crowbar, with the evidence I have gathered from the comics, and presented in the discussion thread, this really cannot be true. Even if he were weakened by this event, either immediately or over time, it took Speed Demon SEVERAL hits with the crowbar, and at another time it took Spider-Woman to hit him with the crowbar THEN Luke Cage again to knock him out, and this is after he was attacked by the New Avengers. If you really think about this an average man would not take this much effort to knock out, and let alone by a mystically enchanted object on the level of Mjolnir.

The Winner: The Wrecker
 
Ultimus vs. Maxam:

As usual, here are the bios:

Ultimus:

Powers: Superhuman strenght, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes, metahuman durability, besides the ability to manipulate cosmic energy

Also, the bio from the Official Marvel Handbook Master Edition on Ultimus:

"Ultimus has the ability to manipulate cosmic energy to augment his life force, granting him great longevity and regenerative abilities, the projection of cosmic energy as concussive bolts from his hands, the ability to project an invisible force field about his body varying from a radius of one-inch to several yards, the ability to fly by harnessing anti-gravitons, and possibly other powers."

Also, under Strength, it says he has "Superhuman Class 90" powers, under Speed and Stamina both say "Superhuman," and under Durability it says "Metahuman."

Maxam:

Maxam can grow in size and strength up to Class 100, at which point he is virtually indestructible. He is immune to telepathic assault.
In his normal state he is a mediocre warrior, though he can be pushed into a savage, frenzied state in which he is virtually unstoppable. He also has knowledge of sophisticated technology.
He had rocket units on his boots that allowed him to fly.
He briefly held the Time Gem, which unlocked his memories. Presumably if he'd held it longer he could have eventually accessed its full powers.


The main thing for the voters to realize is that Maxam does not have the Time Gem. So, since he does not have full access to his memories, he's greatly hindered in this match. He won't have any information on Ultimus and when the match starts, he won't be at his full peak power. He starts at a more normal rate, and as a fight goes on, he gets stronger.


Now, there are some things that Ultimus will realize. As the match starts, he'll use his cosmic energy to destroy the rocket units in Maxam's boots. This will ensure that Maxam cannot fly, giving the air advantage to Ultimus. Ultimus will realize after the fight begins that Maxam seems to be getting stronger; thus, he'll change his approach. Some important factors about Maxam are listed below:

*Maxam's skin is not impenetrable. In Warlock and the Infinity Watch #19, Iron Man was able to prick his skin in order to draw blood.

*In Warlock and the Infinity Watch #27, he was trapped under a large rock.

*In Warlock and the Infinity Watch #42, Maxam had steel girders wrapped around him, trapping him and making it unable for him to fight.

From the above information, Ultimus can easily use his powers (and, he'd probably use it real early on) to bring down a building on Maxam; thus, effectively trapping him, making it unable for him to fight. Finally, while Maxam's skin can be pricked, I want to reiterate that Ultimus has a one-inch invisible force field, making much of what Maxam could do to him ineffective.

Winner = Ultimus
 
Kitty Pryde Vs Wrecker

The problem with this match is the lack of info on Wrecker without the crowbar, or at least the lack of clarification on Marvel's part.... so I'm going to try to come up with another plan that can help Kitty win.

As I and Prime have both stated, the majority of this match is standstill. While Wrecker is a brute and a physical opponant, his physical attacks won't do much to someone he can't touch. It is true that she has to breath eventually, but she's be trained in how to use her powers offensively and defensively and how to sneak breaths as needed since she was a kid. She knows how to work around that, it's not a problem.

Thing with Kitty is that she's not only phasing, she's also intelligent and creative. If she finds that her ninja and other such training skills do little against Wrecker (though I'm not convinced it wouldn't, as even the strongest men can fall if hit right in the right spots), then she would have to get creative. If she tried to take his crowbar like I said and hid it down in the ground, that'd still be effective. It would take but a second so I don't see a problem with her bringing it back, as Prime says, but if it does return like Mjalnor does, then that would still be a problem. It'd have to break through ground to get back at Wrecker. Until it gets there, Kitty's laying it on Wrecker (even if he does still have powers, it'll be to a lesser amount). When it returns, she can just try it again (and exactly how would Wrecker stop her?) but she will eventually realize that there are holes forming underground. If for some reason she can't beat him into submission (and I'm sure she's beaten worse into submission in her lifetime), then she can just phaze him into the ground, finding a pocket to store him in (as she did Emma in Astonishing). I can see her doing that and then taking his crowbar and putting it somewhere else.

Yeah, he might be able to beat his way back out of the hole, but it'll take time and I think it'll be long enough to consider him incapassitated and to declare Kitty the winner.

Winner - Kitty Pryde
 
Hisako (mandarin is known for his arrogance)

Ultimus (you debate you win)

Victor (the key get's it's power from the constellations and only works in
OUR universe)

Kitty (this idea of the crowbar returning without being thrown...not buying it)
 
Hisako Ichiki
Victor Mancha - Hippy's right.
Ultimus
Kitty Pryde
 
*Mandarin - (He's going to be tough to beat with those rings.)

*Scorpio

*Ultimus

*Kitty Pryde
 

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