Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[hippy fascist]

This is actually a very good battle we have here. Sandman is a tough physical force to be reckoned with and Unuscione's powers are both physical and mental.

Powers:
Sandman can turn his body into sand. He can control the density and make himself hard or incredibly soft. He can disperse his body too. He has super-strength. And while he does have a moral code and doesn't like to kill when he doesn't have to, he is still pretty ruthless and will go all out if he needs to no matter what.

Unscione creates a psionic forcefield around herself. It is strong enough to shield herslef and others from reentry into the earth's atmostphere. She can also "shoot" this forcefield at other people and when it hits them it can cause intense pain or even make them lose body functions. She is actually more ruthless than Sandman too and would definately not hesitate to kill him.

Prep time wise, Sandman won't get anythign on Unuscione, and it won't matter since he woudl jsut attack the same way no matter what. Unuscione wouldn't have any detailed files on Sandman, but she could probably find some info on him through newpaper searches and whatnot. he's a pretty public figure at times. Also, his name of "sandman" might clue her in.

Location wise, it will really piss off Unuscione. Just being in Genosha again will cause her to get extremely angry and want to kill Sandman. Sandman probably knows of Genosha just because it's famous.


Okay, so the battle starts and Sandman starts blaster her with sand. her forcefield has the power to definately stop his attacks since it can shield her from the Earth reentry. Eventually she woudl try and attack Snadman with her forcefield too. Now this is where it gets interesting. Here is a quote on her powers from wiki:
This last part is the most interesting because it has been shown numerous times that Sandman can lose control of his body's form. Sandman would definately take the hit thinknig it couldn't hurt him, but once it does, he is screwed. He won't be able to reconstitute himself and it's game over. Eventually he would (like he always does) but this can take a LONG time as shown in the comics and is defiately way too longfor the fight to still be going on.

Winner- Unuscione

two things, firstly it's never been proven how this connection works. She is keyed in to disrupt the cells in ordinary humans. This is ultimately a voters call but I would say this wouldn't work. Sandman's grains of sand aren't connected in the same way as cells in a body.

secondly he will be so huge by the time they ingage that it would simply effect a small section of his body (if it even did effect him) which he could then jettison. Besides, the sheer force and weight of several beaches world of sand all collapsing on her would at least do enough to knock her out. That could be like dropping central park on someone. Something I as inteding to do anyway. She couldn't dig her way out as loose sand has a tendency to callapse constantly due to being much finer than dirt. At the very best she'll last five to ten minutes before she suffocates. Carmella's got no way to win this.

WINNER: SANDMAN!

 

[JewishHobbit]

Mercury Vs Iceman

Okay, so Mercury pretty much has little to no chance of winning this match. The place is in rubble and she's much more inexperienced. Not only that, but Iceman can get cold enough to freeze Mercury (according to my research). Her only chance at this match is in hoping that Iceman will fear that freezing Mercury would kill her, so he wouldn't (being that she's a student at Xavier's). Also, it would help that she can research Iceman fully, and he can research her fully... this helps because while she knows what to expect with Iceman, she is still new enough to surprise her. I don't want to list anything specific because I can't prove she can do anything that she hasn't done, but with the flexibility of her powers and shape altering, I'm sure she can get creative and surprise him. Really, I'm just hoping Midnight Ice forgets to debate, because it'll be a far shot for Mercury to pull this off.

Winner - Mercury

 

[kytrigger]

Sandman Vs Unuscione

Ok, sandman is one of the top five characters on my list. He is uber-strong almost impossible to kill, and can draw nearby bodys of sand into himself (genosha has plenty of beaches ). Here's his powers

Carmella on the other hand can use her psychic abilities to create a claw like apparition with great strength. This character is like combining absorbing man with the thing and kitty pride all at the same time.

I agree he's a good character (which is why I might shed a tear when he's beaten this round , but he is in no way like Absorbing Man, Thing, and kitty pride all rolled up. He's no where near absorbing man even.

First thing he will do is absorb all the sand in the surrounding area (by this time he will be around the size of yellwojacket [60ft]).

This part completely depends on where they start in Genosha. Yes it has beaches, but it is an entire country, it is a large place with plenty on places that don't have beaches either. I will agree that if he gets to a beach he will absorb the sand though. It is probably just up to the voter's to decide the actualy location of where they fight in Genosha.

He will find carmella, drop his body onto her, contract and choke the life out of her.Her lungs will be filled with sand and if not (if her shields hold up against the force, unlikely but you never know) she will quickly run out of air. Sandman will have no problem killing someone.

Are you serious? Sandman would never just kill someone he didn't know. He would only kill someone if his life depended on it, or if he absolutely hated them. hell, he was a second string Avenger for a while. Wikipedia has it's own section strictly on his morals. He would beat her, and try to win, but never jut choke her to death. He might eventually resort to this if he had no other choice, but thinking he would just immediately start doing that is comepletely out of his nature.

Winner- Unuscione

 

[kytrigger]

two things, firstly it's never been proven how this connection works. She is keyed in to disrupt the cells in ordinary humans. This is ultimately a voters call but I would say this wouldn't work. Sandman's grains of sand aren't connected in the same way as cells in a body.

Right, all that is know is that she messes with the mind to totally mess someoen up making them lose control. We don't know exactly how, but it happens, and Sandman does still have a mind. We also know that he has lost control of his body a really large number of times. Hell, that's usually how he is beaten, and it's not always because he was mixed up with cement or something. His body became entirely destabilzed with just one bite from Venom. He just started crumbling. It is basically up to the voters though, so I don't see much more of a debate on this topic since not much else can be said.

secondly he will be so huge by the time they ingage that it would simply effect a small section of his body (if it even did effect him) which he could then jettison.

well, even if he does grow, her forcefield is rather large. it can hold a number of people and expand. So it wouldn't just hit an arm or something. And if it works like normal, then just hitting part of him would completely mess up his entire body, not just that arm or whatever. IMO, if her forcefield works, his whole body woudl just disperse and he would be compeltely immobile for however long it usually takes him to reconstitutre himslef 9months or weeks or whatever). It is basically just up to the voter's to decide if her forcefild would work on him.

Besides, the sheer force and weight of several beaches world of sand all collapsing on her would at least do enough to knock her out. That could be like dropping central park on someone. Something I as inteding to do anyway.

I already went over how that is ridulously out of character for him to just try and do that. Hit her with a mace arm? Yes. Try to immediately crush her under the sand? No.

She couldn't dig her way out as loose sand has a tendency to callapse constantly due to being much finer than dirt. At the very best she'll last five to ten minutes before she suffocates. Carmella's got no way to win this.

Well, even though he would never do this, I'll just point out that if for some extremely weird reason this were to happen, the sand would still be a part of him. So if her shield does work on him, then simply attacking her would "destroy" him too.

Like I said, this all comes down to whether or not Unuscione's forcefield works on him or not. I mean it seems that everyone else in the MU has gotten him to completley lose control of himself and "die" for a week, so I don't see why Unuscione's powers wouldn't work either.

Winner- Unuscione

 

[Midnight Ice]

BRACKET 6,

Match 7:

Mercury (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Iceman (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

Mercury Vs Iceman

Okay, so Mercury pretty much has little to no chance of winning this match. The place is in rubble and she's much more inexperienced. Not only that, but Iceman can get cold enough to freeze Mercury (according to my research). Her only chance at this match is in hoping that Iceman will fear that freezing Mercury would kill her, so he wouldn't (being that she's a student at Xavier's). Also, it would help that she can research Iceman fully, and he can research her fully... this helps because while she knows what to expect with Iceman, she is still new enough to surprise her. I don't want to list anything specific because I can't prove she can do anything that she hasn't done, but with the flexibility of her powers and shape altering, I'm sure she can get creative and surprise him. Really, I'm just hoping Midnight Ice forgets to debate, because it'll be a far shot for Mercury to pull this off.

Winner - Mercury

Sorry, JH. I am just a little late with a debate rather than forgetting to. Iceman is one of the founding members of the X-Men, and also is one of the most powerful people on the planet(although he rejects that he is that powerful).
Iceman could easily freeze mercury solid, but would probably not do that in fear of killing another student. There just isn't much that Mercury could do to Iceman to win this match. Iceman has shown to be creative with his powers, which really is his only limitation(his imagination and willingness).
If Iceman is having any trouble at all winning, he could easily freeze Mercury to that point where it hardens slightly and is hard for her to move, then he can get to her and knock her out.

Winner:Iceman

 

[hippy fascist]

Sandman Vs Unuscione Closing Argument

I'm not going to rebutt my opponents arguments as we will just go round in circles, instead I will simply leave a few thoughts as a closing debate

1. I have never seen unuscione use her powers on any non-organic. If I had seen her use her gift on any kid of "rock-monster" or even using them on the likes of dust then I would be willing to accept his argument. The argument however is based on the fact that it might harm sandman. The key there is MIGHT. This is supposed to be who has the best chance of winning. I would therefore asks the voters to consider the evidence of sandman's abilities over supposition regarding those of his opponent. The responsibility is for him to prove these claims, not for me to disprove.

2. Sandman prefers not to kill but if pushed by a psychotic homicidal mutant he WILL kill. He believes in protecting life but NOT pointless self sacrifice. He's not going to be willing to give up his own life to protect that of a violent psychopath.

3. If anyone can break through carmella's forcefield it's sandman. He's thing level strength class normally, with two-three beaches worth of sand sucked up he'll be pushing hulk levels. Carmella is instantly knocked out if her shield is broken, sandman is just the man to do it.

So in summation I ask the voters to go with the proven facts over a small possiblity in this debate.

And on a final note, the place is littered with rubble, sandman could easily take her out simply by large boulders at her. There is NO way her powers could destabilise solid, non-sentient rock.


WINNER: SANDMAN!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Ultron

*Exodus

*Iceman

*Sandman - (This match really saved this thread this week. I still don't know if I picked the right character, as this is a very difficult choice. There really are more questions unanswered in how Unuscione's powers would work on Sandman's body, and I'm just not sure.)

 

[Harlekin]

Growing Man - His ability to use kinetic energy to power himself gives him the advantage.
Exodus
Iceman - Experience and power.
Unuscione - The location sold it for me.

 

[Zoken]

Growing Man
Exodus
Unuscion
Iceman

 

[wiegeabo]

Ultron
Exodus (not much of match, unfortunately)
Iceman
Unuscione (kept flipping back and forth)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Growing Man
Exodus
Unuscion
Iceman

 

[kytrigger]

Exodus
Unuscione
Ultron
Iceman

 

[JewishHobbit]

Iceman (yeah, my Mercury had no chance )
Growing Man
Exodus
Unuscione (barely)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Growing Man currently beating Ultron 4-3
Exodus currently beating Charcoal 7-0
Iceman currently beating Mercury 7-0
Unuscione currently beating Sandman 6-1

 

[hippy fascist]

Ultron

Exodus

Iceman: Experience takes it

Sandman

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Ultron - his circuitry can cause problems plus he has been outsmarted in the past

Exodus

Iceman

Unuscione

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Ultron beat Growing Man 5-4
Exodus beat Charcoal 9-0
Iceman beat Mercury 9-0
Unuscione beat Sandman 7-2

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 9:

Shriek (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Hercules (KYTRIGGER) bio

Match 10:

Nimrod (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Terrax (PHAEDRUS45) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 9:

New Sun (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Spitfire (DARTHPHERE) bio

Match 10:

Bi-Beast (PRIMEMOVER) bio

vs.

Wildside (KYTRIGGER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Wakanda

Wakanda is a fictional nation in the Marvel Universe. It is one of many fictional African nations in the Marvel Universe, including Azania, Narobia, Halwan and Murkatesh.

(I wanted Wakanda's population to be around; but, as many of the warriors would probably not take too kindly to having intruders in their midst, I will say no human population. Of course, any other predators, such as any tigers, would still be lurking in the surrounding forests.)

 

[kytrigger]

Shriek (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Hercules (KYTRIGGER) bio

Okay, so here we have a match between the Prince of Power and one crazy chick.

Powers:
Hercules has superstrength, speed, resistance, and can heal somewhat quickly (but nowhere near Wolverine levels or anything). He is also a master fighter and can jump really high. He has a golden mace that is poweful enoughto stand up to Mjolinor.

Shriek can shoot concussive sound blasts out of her hands. She can also bring out the negative emotions in people making them very violent. She has upper human strength (can lift someoen with one hand). She can also fly and MIGHT have some low-level psionics (although every bio I ave read is unsure of this last one for some reason)

Prep-time:
Neither will really know much abotu either character. Hercules might know of Shriek form the Maximum Carnage days which I believe was pretty popular in the news (since it had tons of New Yorkers attackign each other).

Shriek will most likely know of Hercules from Greek and Roman mythology, so if she knew any stories at all she would know that he is strong as hell and a damn good fighter.

Hercules will undoubtedly know about Wakanda, and Shriek might know.

Either way neither has tons of info on the other to go by.


The biggest thing about this fight is that Shriek can't rally use her biggest power: to turn people violent. This power is great for keeping heroes busy fighting each other or stopping civilians form fighting, but there is absolutely no point in her turning Hercules violent when only she is there to punch on.

Other than that, she is screwed. Herc is a MUCH better fighter than her, and is ridiculously stronger than her as well. His mace can block and sound blasts coming his way, and even if he got hit, I doubt it would hurt him, just annoy him.

Her only real advantage is her flight, but Herc has fought countless fliers before and won. This is nothign new to him. He would toss giant rocks at her an dsurprise her with his incredibly fast and far jumping abilites.

Shriek is just no match for the Prince of Power.

Winner-Hercules

 

[kytrigger]

Bi-Beast (PRIMEMOVER) bio

vs.

Wildside (KYTRIGGER) bio

Okay, so we have a really interesting battle here.

Powers:
Bi-Beast is very strong. If he's not class 100 strength then he's close as he has gone toe-to-toe with Hulk a couple of times. He is also smart. His top head contains knowledge of Avian warfare, while his bottom head contains knowledge of Avian culture and Avian technology. He is mostly android which makes gives him higher resistance also.

Wildside is a mutant that can mess with other's sense of reality making them wildly hallucinate or not see certain things. He also has techno organic claws that are vey sharp, and has excellent agility and speed. he is also sadistic.

Prep time:
Okay, Bi-Beast basically has no way of actually getting any info on Wildside. That and the fact that he hasn't really been living on earth means he wouldn't know of Wakanda either.

Wildside is in Weapon X and has access to all of their files so he would know of Bi-Beast. He would also know of Wakanda.


Okay, not before the fight begins, I would like to make one thing very clear. Bi-Beast is an android, but he can still be affected by Wildside's mental attacks. This is from a bio:

The Bi-Beast is technically an android, but it does posses some sort of biology, including glands and tissues.

source: http://www.geocities.com/goldenechh/bibeast

ALSO:

The jewels interfere with the mind of the bottom head and cause him to fall instantly in love with the She-Hulk. To further complicate the experiment,

source: http://www.incrediblehulk.com/bibeast.html

Now what both of these bios show is that while he is an android, Bi-Beast does have organic parts to him, including his two minds. Hell, they are even known to argue with each other sometimes. Bi-Beast has shown emotions and everything, so he isn't like a normal robot without feelings or a mind.

So, the fight starts off, and Wildside would already know that he doesn't really stand much a a chance in a straight up fight against Bi-Beast (he's insane not an idiot) so he would instantly start attacking the minds: both of them. Both minds would have no idea what is going on. The first mind woud lbe completely at a loss, which means that Bi0Beast has lost all of his combat experience, which is key in battle. Not only would he make them wildly hallucinate, but he would then turn them against each other. He would let one mind think he is over to the right, while the other mind thnks Wildside's over to the left. They would both be trying to go in different directions and arguing would definately ensue. Even if one head is able to shrug off the affects, he still can't do anything because the other won't let the body do anything.

Now, while all of this is going on, they wouldn't even be able to notice or see Wildside. He would sneak up and do some extremely quick slashing, then jump away. By the time Bi-Beast knew what was happening and both heads agreed to attack in teh same place, Wildside woul dbe long gone as he is much faster than Bi-Beast.

This just keeps happening and the longer it does, the angrier the heads get at each other and the more they just fight. Little by little Wildside just goes in slashes them, and gets out of there. Eventually there would be enough damage for Wildside to be able to see the innards of Bi-Beast and really do some damage.

In a case like this, it's hard enough for a person to overcome their mind and force their body to do something, when you have two minds controlling the same body being messed with and eventualyl fighting each other, it's basically impossible for them to do anythign at all.

It would be a long fight, but Wildside would win.

Winner- Wildside

 

[wiegeabo]

New Sun vs Spitfire

Prep-time won't do much good here since both characters are from different realities. They may both know about Wakanda, but I doubt it will be much of an advantage.

Spitfire's speed is a good power. Speed tends to be underrated, but it is a huge advantage since you can evade attacks and avoid being detected all together.

The problem Spitfire has is that New Sun has control of kinetic energy in all its forms. And what is speed but kinetic energy? All New Sun has to do is put up a field around himself that drains this energy. Spitfire would have no idea about this field, much less New Sun's powers, and rush into in an attempt to attack him. Once she hits the field, she's trapped, unable to move. And she will be at New Sun's mercy.

Or New Sun can just send out a wave of explosive energy in the hopes of catching of. And if she's too close, she'll either be caught in the blast, or knocked around by the blast wave's pressure.

And if New Sun is feeling particularly vicious, he could just cause parts of Spitfire's body to explode. Or just stop all movement inside her body, technically freezing her to death.

Since New Sun likely wouldn't know about Spitfire's speed, it's conceivable that she may get a first attack on him. But that's only if New Sun doesn't put up some kind of field or barrier at the start of the battle because he doesn't know what his opponent is capable of. And if she doesn't quickly take him out in one attack, he'll realize he's either fighting a speedster, or someone invisible, and lash out one way or another.

Against someone with New Sun's power and experience, Spitfire doesn't have much of a chnace.


New Sun wins

 

[Phaedrus45]

Nimrod vs. Terrax:

Here is the agreed upon bio for Terrax:

Imbued with the Power Cosmic Terrax can gather, channel, and manipulate large quantities of Cosmic Energy. He channels his power through his axe. Terrax's flexible rock-like shell makes him impervious to heat and cold, and he does not require food or oxygen, enabling him to exist within the vacuum of space.

Terrax uses his Power Cosmic to control rock and earth, usually traveling through space by levitating himself upon asteroids. He can attain warp speed while traveling in this way. Terrax can take control of rock and earth within 100 miles, making him most dangerous while planetbound. He has proved able to lift entire islands under his power.

AXE: Terrax's axe can channel his cosmic energy into destructive beams of energy and generate a personal force field. When charged with energy, the axe's blade can cut through vitually any known substance. One version of his axe could also split into a pair of laser weapons. He also briefly wielded the axe of fellow Herald Morg.


Nimrod's bio:

Nimrod is the most highly advanced form of Sentinel robot possible for the technology of his native time period and reality to create. It is not known from what materials Nimrod was constructed, but his robotic form is highly resistant to damage even by superhuman beings. Nimrod can convert his outward appearance to resemble that of an ordinary human being. Nimrod can also reconstruct himself so as to make improvements in his robotic form and internal systems that will make him a more formidable opponent.
Even when smashed to pieces, Nimrod can reintegrate the portions of his body to become whole again. It has been speculated that Nimrod has complete control of his component parts down to the molecular level. If so, then Nimrod might have to be reduced to powder in order to be destroyed, and he might even be able to reconstitute his form from that state.

Nimrod contains highly advanced computer systems as well as scanning devices that make it possible for him to determine whether a human being is a superhuman or not, and if he or she is, to determined the nature of his or her superhuman abilities. Like present-day Sentinels, Nimrod can draw upon devices and systems within his robotic body in order to cope with or neutralize an opponent's superhuman power once he has determined the nature of that power. If there is no pre-existing means within Nimrod of fighting against his opponent's superhuman power, it is possible that, if he has sufficient knowledge, Nimrod can devise such a means within himself before his next battle with this opponent.

As yet not all of Nimrod's built-in weaponry has been observed. It is known, however, that Nimrod can project extraordinarily powerful concussive blasts of energy, as well as bolts of plasma and disintegrator beams. Nimrod can also project magnetic energy that enables him to levitate enormous quantities of ferrous material. Nimrod can create force fields about himself. It seems that Nimrod has a weakness for elemental attacks; lightning, extreme cold.

Nimrod can teleport himself but the limitations on this ability are unknown.


This is an excellent battle, worthy of Round 4, easily. It's not really one probably Wiegeabo or I wanted to see happen to either of our great characters so soon. But, luck of the draw, it must happen. I know he'll give the reasons he'll character will advance, and I'll give mine below. The only thing that sucks is that both characters are so powerful and there are a long list of unknowns to how each character's powers will effect the other.

A couple points that I noticed in Nimrod's bio that help out Terrax a bit:

*It seems that Nimrod has a weakness for elemental attacks; lightning, extreme cold.

Lightning and extreme cold wouldn't effect Terrax. I'm not sure how the Cosmic Powers that come through Terrax's Axe are compared to lightning or extreme cold; but, it's possible Nimrod will be effected by it. Nimrod can be hurt by a new attack, and it's with learning of the power that it adjusts itself. (I'm thinking kind of like dealing with the Borg...except, Nimrod will actually flee for a time being and attack later.)

*If there is no pre-existing means within Nimrod of fighting against his opponent's superhuman power, it is possible that, if he has sufficient knowledge, Nimrod can devise such a means within himself before his next battle with this opponent.

The problem is that Nimrod will not be given a chance for a second battle. If he flees Wakanda, he looses the match.

Now, as we all know, an opponent just needs to take a character out of the battle to win. To restate one of Terrax's most powerful abilities:

*Terrax can take control of rock and earth within 100 miles, making him most dangerous while planetbound. He has proved able to lift entire islands under his power.

Being in Wakanda, Terrax will be most powerful, and will have no qualms about lifting as much earth and rock to destroy or eliminate Nimrod from the competition.

Finally, Terrax's Axe against Nimrod's body is going to be a big question.

*When charged with energy, the axe's blade can cut through vitually any known substance.

There is a possibility that the axe can cut through Nimrod.

Finally, one last bio on Terrax states the following:

*He was also awarded superhuman strength and durability, as well as abilities including force field projection, matter manipulation, the power to fuse machinery, energy absorption (usually through his axe), resistance to telepathy, and more.

The benefits are matter manipulation, force field projection (which both characters have), energy absorption, and the ability to fuse machinery. Nimrod is basically machinery; so, who knows? Plus, being able to absorb energy will help with Nimrod's attacks.

Like I said, it's a great battle. I believe Terrax can definitely win this match; but, I'm betting my opponent, Wiegeabo, believes his character has the advantage, too.

Winner = Terrax