Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[kytrigger]

Emme
Kylun-possibly the toughest match for me to decide this week
Fandral-debate=win
drax-honestly, an awesome match up, it's a shame they were both owned by Hellstormer

 

[Harlekin]

Emma Frost - Telepathy can be a killer.
Drax - Way too easy for him.
Kylun - Magic swords=awesome.
Fandral... the Dashing!

 

[Midnight Ice]

Emma Frost
Drax
Kylun
Fandral

 

[hippy fascist]

Emma Frost (her greatest strength is his greatest weakness, lights out)

Manthing (i honestly don't think kylun's swords would work on man thing, innocence of a child = pure heart)

Fandral: (Electro could take fandral and is a very underrated character but debate = win)

Drax (Dude took out Thanos! )

 

[primemover]

Emma Frost (bad match-up for Omega Red, shades of Xavier vs. Psylock, trump in play)
Toxin...the Unexpected!
Kylun...the Brave!
Fandral...the Gay!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Emma Frost
Drax
Kylun
fandral

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Emma Frost beat Omega Red 8-1
Drax beat Toxin 7-1
Kylun beat Man-Thing 7-2
Fandral beat Electro 8-1

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 13:

Punisher (ZOKEN) bio

vs.

Dagger (ZOKEN) bio

Match 14:

Ronin (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

vs.

Warlock - M Tech (WIEGEABO) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 13:

Nuke (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

vs.

Red Ghost (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

Match 14:

Baldur (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Blob (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: The Vault

Several years ago, the United States tried to solve the problem of incarcerating superhuman criminals by creating the maximum security prison termed “the Vault.” It had many advantages over more conventional prisons, as it contained multiple subterranean levels, was constructed from near-impervious materials such as either Adamantium or omnium steel, and used various power-dampening devices. An additional factor in the Vault’s early success was the fact that its location, deep within the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, was kept top secret from all but the most necessary personnel and government officials.

All 35 of the Vault’s guards wore Guardsman armor, modeled after a design by Tony Stark. This included the head of security, Michael O’Brien, whose brother was the original Guardsman before the Vault’s creation, and a six-man “Retriever” squad, who were responsible for the transporting of prisoners. Other personnel included the original warden, Howard G. Hardman, and the head of the in-house science team, Dr. Henri Sorel. The science/medical team was a three-man department responsible for screening prisoners when they arrived in order to determine if any specialized containment was necessary.

Separate security towers and administration building; main citadel (security staging areas, administrative offices); self-contained cells in subterranean levels, each cell has reconfigurable walls for differentiated accomodation; isolation pit/cells; self-contained nuclear power facility.

(This version of the Vault will be right before it was destroyed in Heroes For Hire #1 from 2001. This prison, as you can read from various sites, is nowhere on the level as last week's location, The Raft. Many prisoners tended to escape from it.)

 

[wiegeabo]

Warlock - M Tech vs. Ronin

Unfortunately for Ronin, there's no much she can do in this fight that will even hurt Warlock.

Prep-Time will not help Ronin. It's doubtful she'd find anything on Warlock. Warlock, on the other hand, can find any information about Ronin that is out there by scanning computer systems. If there isn't any information available, it really won't effect him that much.

Once in the Vault, Warlock can begin interfacing with the systems from almost any location. He doesn't need to be in the main control room. So, even if Ronin gets to the control room, she'll be no match for Warlock's computer skills and hacking speed. She'll be locked out of all the systems before she gets a chance to do anything. And Warlock will be able to turn the entire defenses of the base against her, while making sure the computer sees him as a friendly.

In a face to face match, Ronin's physical attacks will do little, if any, damage to Warlock. And despite her fighting skills, she may never land a blow on him. And if she does, he could fight back or just infect her with the techno-organic virus.

If she uses weapons that actually do hurt him, he can just use the materials in the base to reform himself and press the attack. But Ronin likely won't get the chance to do any of this once the Vault's defenses are turned against her.

Ronin is just outmatched in this bad draw.


Warlock wins

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 14:

Baldur (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Blob (HARLEKIN) bio

After last week, I am glad to have some fights which offer possibilities.

I at first thought how could I win this battle and it came to me in a flash of light

With regard to prep time, Balder could find out about the vault given the Asgardian information network which consists of 2 ravens who could find out about the vault. Certainly, Thor may have told the Asgardian scribes about it. Balder may obtain some information on it.

Blob as a villain is not going to find any information on a prison created to house people like him. He also will not know Balder and given his low level of intelligence will probably not know enough to research nordic mythology to know about him.

Balder is a powerful Asgardian with a few bonuses. For one, he is the God of Light and Marvel states:

"Balder has the ability to radiate unmeasured degrees of heat and light"

He also can only be harmed by mistletoe, at least in Asgard. However I have never seem him harmed on Earth either.

Besides all that, he is a premier warrior with eons of skills and comes with full armour and deadly weapons.

Now Blob has the following powers:

The Blob could create a mono-directional gravity field extending five feet from his center of balance, rendering himself virtually immovable as long as he was in contact with the ground. His body formerly had superhuman strength and durability; the fat tissues could absorb the impact of bullets, cannonballs, and even missiles. Unable to feel pain, the Blob’s skin could not be punctured, lacerated, frostbitten, or ravaged by disease due to its great elasticity and highly accelerated cell replacement rate. His eyes, ears, nose and mouth were not as resistant to injury, nor was he as resistant to fire or heat. The Blob’s size and strength have been temporarily increased to various levels over the years.

Now besides Balder's skills as a warrior he is the God of Light and has the ability to radiate heat as well as creating tremndous amounts of light.

In this battle, he will first blind Blob using flashes of light and when he realises his sword, that he will be using at Asgardian superhuman speed levels, does not lacerate his skin he will attempt cuts at the face that will affect Blob and to top it off, Balder will radiate heat at harmful levels until Blob is either knocked out or gives up.

Winner - Balder

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Blob vs Balder

I know what you're thinking. The Blob?! Facing off against an Asgardian god?! Winning?! Well, yes, Blob has more than a very good shot at beating this opponent. Considering the similarity he has to Volstagg, I'd even say this is a great match, and would be fun to see in the comics.

Y'see, I originally figured Blob wouldn't stand a chance either, until I started thinking about some of his appearances. In the early days, he could go a few blows with Colossus, and his strength has increased over in time. Even to this day, he's only be moved by the Hulk, Strong Guy, Colossus and Cable was able to uproot him by using his telekinesis.

The Blob's main weakness has always been his mind. His psyche is an open book to telepaths, although he has had some training courtesy of Professor Xavier in the area. Thing is, Balder has no mind powers, so he can't capatalize on that. Then there's the fighting aspect of it. Blob is big and fat, but incredibly agile and fast, much to his opponent's surprise. He's also been trained in tactics and fighting techniques by Xavier again, so he'll know a thing or two. He's mostly a brawler, but when you can't be moved, that's not really a problem.

And that's where the real fun lies. While Blob is a good class 75, Balder tops out at class 35, maybe 40 if he really exerts himself. That's a pretty big difference in power. Then there's the fact that the Blob is highly resistant to injury, having taken on torpedoes, bazookas and a bus. I don't see Balder standing up to the same as easily.

Ofcourse, Balder also has the ability to emit light and heat, which is dangerous to someone like the Blob, but beyond the fact that the Blob has amazing endurance, this is not the first tactic Balder will use. Neither knows of the other, but Balder will engage the massive Blob in combat first, where he'll quickly find himself outgunned. His weapons will not hurt Blob, he is overpowered in the strength department, and the Blob is amazingly fast and agile.

Nothing moves the Blob.

WINNER=BLOB

 

[Zoken]

The Punisher Vs. Dagger

Good match. The punisher is pretty much guarenteed to come fully equipped with a full arsenal. This is the sort of man you send in only when absolutely postively the everyone in the room needs to die. He'll have a passing knowledge of the Vault, not likely he'll have any indepth schematics, but he'll be sure to learn as goes. He has no compunction when it comes to killing. he avoids killing innocents, but as he knows she's aiding and abetting a known fugitive (Cloak is wanted for murder), he'll be quite happy to blow her pretty blonde head off. he's met her before so he'll know her fighting style. The best she can hope for is to catch him off guard, but as she literally glows, that is unlikely. this is a man trained to fight. one-on-one, or against a hundred. it doesn't matter.

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Dagger vs Punisher

Zoken asked me to do this, and being the good lad that I am, I complied. These two have met before, and have even worked together in the past, as part of the whole "Marvel Knights" thing they had going on for a while there with Daredevil, Black Widow, Shang Chi and Luke Cage. Naturally, one would give the advantage to Punisher here, thanks to the whole prep-time thing, but Dagger knows everything about the Punisher too, having read his SHIELD file, as it was supplied by Black Widdow in Marvel Knights #4.

Where the Punisher greatest advantage is usually his willingness to use lethal force, it is a disadvantage here, as the Punisher knows Dagger and knows she is one of the good guys. Also, Dagger only really has to hit the Punisher once with one of her knives, and it will make him utterly ineffective, as he'll be forced to confront his own demons and darkness. With the Punisher writhing on the ground, coming to terms with everything he's done, Dagger only needs to give him a good punch to the jaw to knock him out.

WINNER=DAGGER

 

[Zoken]

OPENING COMMENTS: Dagger vs Punisher

Zoken asked me to do this, and being the good lad that I am, I complied. These two have met before, and have even worked together in the past, as part of the whole "Marvel Knights" thing they had going on for a while there with Daredevil, Black Widow, Shang Chi and Luke Cage. Naturally, one would give the advantage to Punisher here, thanks to the whole prep-time thing, but Dagger knows everything about the Punisher too, having read his SHIELD file, as it was supplied by Black Widdow in Marvel Knights #4.

Where the Punisher greatest advantage is usually his willingness to use lethal force, it is a disadvantage here, as the Punisher knows Dagger and knows she is one of the good guys. Also, Dagger only really has to hit the Punisher once with one of her knives, and it will make him utterly ineffective, as he'll be forced to confront his own demons and darkness. With the Punisher writhing on the ground, coming to terms with everything he's done, Dagger only needs to give him a good punch to the jaw to knock him out.

This is a battle he knows is a fight for survival. I think the Punisher would be willing to kill. plus he's an adept enough marksman to aim for non-lethal shots if he weren't willing to kill her. two points of order when it comes to her "daggers". You don't face down your own demons, according to the wiki-description of her powers. you are shown a vision of what your life would be like if you fulfilled your potential for good, which one could argue Frank is doing. and second, she'd have to hit him, and it isn't like Frank is dumb enough to just stare at the thing coming toward him. plus, he can easily make this a hand to hand fight and beat her into submission. in her Runaways arc we saw that an overweight nurse's aide was able to beat her into submission, imagine a fully trained soldier who's life work it is to kill. That joke about the Runaways arc aside, she does have some fighting skill, but not enough to go hand to hand with the Punisher and come out on top.

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Dagger vs Punisher

This is a battle he knows is a fight for survival.

It's not. It's a fight. It's about knocking the other person out. Some will do so via killing. Some, like the Punisher, won't, when it concerns good guys.

two points of order when it comes to her "daggers". You don't face down your own demons, according to the wiki-description of her powers. you are shown a vision of what your life would be like if you fulfilled your potential for good, which one could argue Frank is doing.

Dagger can generate and throw "light daggers" which stun targets by forcing them to confront the darkness in their own souls.

As she herself calls it, the daggers cleanse souls.

and second, she'd have to hit him, and it isn't like Frank is dumb enough to just stare at the thing coming toward him. plus, he can easily make this a hand to hand fight and beat her into submission. in her Runaways arc we saw that an overweight nurse's aide was able to beat her into submission, imagine a fully trained soldier who's life work it is to kill. That joke about the Runaways arc aside, she does have some fighting skill, but not enough to go hand to hand with the Punisher and come out on top.

She, together with a few others has held off an army of trolls from Asgard, and she can fling her daggers in all directions. It'd be very hard for the Punisher to avoid these. Once he's hit, he's down.

WINNER=DAGGER

 

[sandwraith]

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[Ahura Mazda]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

I know what you're thinking. The Blob?! Facing off against an Asgardian god?! Winning?! Well, yes, Blob has more than a very good shot at beating this opponent. Considering the similarity he has to Volstagg, I'd even say this is a great match, and would be fun to see in the comics.

Y'see, I originally figured Blob wouldn't stand a chance either, until I started thinking about some of his appearances. In the early days, he could go a few blows with Colossus, and his strength has increased over in time. Even to this day, he's only be moved by the Hulk, Strong Guy, Colossus and Cable was able to uproot him by using his telekinesis.

The Blob's main weakness has always been his mind. His psyche is an open book to telepaths, although he has had some training courtesy of Professor Xavier in the area. Thing is, Balder has no mind powers, so he can't capatalize on that. Then there's the fighting aspect of it. Blob is big and fat, but incredibly agile and fast, much to his opponent's surprise. He's also been trained in tactics and fighting techniques by Xavier again, so he'll know a thing or two. He's mostly a brawler, but when you can't be moved, that's not really a problem.

And that's where the real fun lies. While Blob is a good class 75, Balder tops out at class 35, maybe 40 if he really exerts himself. That's a pretty big difference in power. Then there's the fact that the Blob is highly resistant to injury, having taken on torpedoes, bazookas and a bus. I don't see Balder standing up to the same as easily.

Ofcourse, Balder also has the ability to emit light and heat, which is dangerous to someone like the Blob, but beyond the fact that the Blob has amazing endurance, this is not the first tactic Balder will use. Neither knows of the other, but Balder will engage the massive Blob in combat first, where he'll quickly find himself outgunned. His weapons will not hurt Blob, he is overpowered in the strength department, and the Blob is amazingly fast and agile.

First off, I do not know why you say he has a good shot because he has a physical resemblance to Volstagg, as far as the sillouhaite goes. Some people use to say I looked like Fred Couples but I never had any shot at winning the US Masters

Balder is unlikely to have much information on Balder but he may obtain some. It is certain however, that he can make a guess based on the Blob's name and his appearance.

In addition, the Blob is considerably slower then Balder. Therefore Balder could attack without ever getting hit. Plus he is using swords which is likely to keep him out of range. Balder is no inexperienced warrior and will know to go for the face when he sees the effect that slicing attacks have...which should be none. He also use his light powers to atleast blind Blob before he start uses his heat powers to defeat him.

Lets not forget the Blob is not very intelligent and he is battling one of the most intelligent Asgardian Gods.

Winner - Balder, God of Light

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

First off, I do not know why you say he has a good shot because he has a physical resemblance to Volstagg, as far as the sillouhaite goes. Some people use to say I looked like Fred Couples but I never had any shot at winning the US Masters

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that his similarity in posture to Volstagg makes it a great fight visually. It's seperate from my notion that Blob can beat Balder, which he can.

Balder is unlikely to have much information on Balder but he may obtain some. It is certain however, that he can make a guess based on the Blob's name and his appearance.

On Blob, you mean? He'll certainly have no concrete info. All he knows is that he'll be up against a tub of lard and be unimpressed. That'll be his big mistake. Underestimating his opponent.

In addition, the Blob is considerably slower then Balder.

Considerably? I see no evidence for this. He's been able to surprise his foes before with his speed and agility. I don't see Balder being any faster than Blob's other opponents.

Therefore Balder could attack without ever getting hit. Plus he is using swords which is likely to keep him out of range. Balder is no inexperienced warrior and will know to go for the face when he sees the effect that slicing attacks have...which should be none. He also use his light powers to atleast blind Blob before he start uses his heat powers to defeat him.

Once he gets in close, he's going to get hit and going to be done for. The use of light will probably not be his first tactic. Normal combat will. By the time he pulls out the lights it's already over. Even when going for the face, Blob can still take a hit, anyway.

Lets not forget the Blob is not very intelligent and he is battling one of the most intelligent Asgardian Gods.

Let's not forget that Balder will be underestimating his opponent, and sometimes brawn does overcome brains, like in this case.

WINNER=BLOB

 

[Ahura Mazda]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that his similarity in posture to Volstagg makes it a great fight visually. It's seperate from my notion that Blob can beat Balder, which he can.

Ok I misunderstood even though I think Balder would take this one.

On Blob, you mean? He'll certainly have no concrete info. All he knows is that he'll be up against a tub of lard and be unimpressed. That'll be his big mistake. Underestimating his opponent.

I would not make this assumption. Balder is not a boastful god and has quite a bit of humility. He would know that he is facing a superhuman oppnent called the blob. He would guess that the main power of this guy is not his ability to eat. He would approach with some caution.

Considerably? I see no evidence for this. He's been able to surprise his foes before with his speed and agility. I don't see Balder being any faster than Blob's other opponents.

From the classic marvel role playing game:

This is Blob:

Fighting Remarkable
Agility Poor
Strength Monstrous
Endurance Monstrous
Reason Poor
Intuition Good
Psyche Excellent


Balder:
Fighting Incredible
Agility Excellent
Strength Amazing
Endurance Remarkable
Reason Good
Intuition Excellent
Psyche Amazing

An average Asgardian has 3 times the speed of a Human. Balder is not an average Asgardian. Blob is slower then the average Human. Therefore there is a big difference in speed.

Once he gets in close, he's going to get hit and going to be done for. The use of light will probably not be his first tactic. Normal combat will. By the time he pulls out the lights it's already over. Even when going for the face, Blob can still take a hit, anyway.

I do not agree with that. You are talking about a 6'4" Asgardian using swords and spears against a slower mutant with super strength. Balder can attack without getting touched.

Let's not forget that Balder will be underestimating his opponent, and sometimes brawn does overcome brains, like in this case.

Again I do not agree with this. Balder is not Tyr, he is more modest and tends to approach any combat with caution.

This is a Godly warrior who has faced the likes of Surtur. the Blob will not take him down.

WINNER=BALDER

 

[Midnight Ice]

Nuke VS Red Ghost

Opening Debate

I know that Red Ghost would know of Nuke. Red Ghost is very smart and could easily get some info on Nuke. Red Ghost has the ability to become intangible, which is what is going to win this fight for him. If his intangibility works like Shadowcat's does then, if he walks through any type of machinery or any tech, then it shuts it down or screws it up for a while. Nuke has cybernetic parts in him. All Red Ghost has to do is walk through Nuke to take him out. Red Ghost can also turn invisible, and that will only make the fight shorter.

Winner: Red Ghost

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

I would not make this assumption. Balder is not a boastful god and has quite a bit of humility. He would know that he is facing a superhuman oppnent called the blob. He would guess that the main power of this guy is not his ability to eat. He would approach with some caution.

Humility he doth possess, but you can't honestly tell me he won't underestimate the Blob. C'mon, look at him for crying out loud.

From the classic marvel role playing game:

This is Blob:

Fighting Remarkable
Agility Poor
Strength Monstrous
Endurance Monstrous
Reason Poor
Intuition Good
Psyche Excellent

Balder:
Fighting Incredible
Agility Excellent
Strength Amazing
Endurance Remarkable
Reason Good
Intuition Excellent
Psyche Amazing

An average Asgardian has 3 times the speed of a Human. Balder is not an average Asgardian. Blob is slower then the average Human. Therefore there is a big difference in speed.

Besides the fact that sites like Classic Marvel Roleplaying aren't really much of a source, pretty much every bio on the Blob states his surprising agility. Even then, using those stats, Blob clearly outclasses Balder in strength and endurance. Heck, he's even stronger mentally.

I do not agree with that. You are talking about a 6'4" Asgardian using swords and spears against a slower mutant with super strength. Balder can attack without getting touched.

In enclosed spaces with a size about 1.5 times as big? Nah.

This is a Godly warrior who has faced the likes of Surtur. the Blob will not take him down.

Nothing moves the Blob!

WINNER=BLOB

 

[Ahura Mazda]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

Humility he doth possess, but you can't honestly tell me he won't underestimate the Blob. C'mon, look at him for crying out loud.

A warrior with thousands of years of battle experience is likely to never underestimate an opponent can be deadly. As Sun Tzu once said:

"If you know yourself and the enemy, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself and not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle."

He does not know the Blob so he will be cautious until he does.

Besides the fact that sites like Classic Marvel Roleplaying aren't really much of a source, pretty much every bio on the Blob states his surprising agility. Even then, using those stats, Blob clearly outclasses Balder in strength and endurance. Heck, he's even stronger mentally.

I do realise he is not much of a source but you should also admit Balder is faster then the Blob. And just one thing to note, Balder is more intelligent just may not have as much resistance to psychic powers within the game as Blob does. Of course, this has no relevance for this game where no psychic powers are being used. (Plus there is really no way they could know of balder's psychic abilities as I do not beleive I remember him being ever mind controlled).

In enclosed spaces with a size about 1.5 times as big? Nah.

The space is bigger then that and Balder as fast as he is will be dodging blows plus this battle will not be that long. Because balder will have blinded Blob and as soon as he realises he cannot cut the arms he will be using his heat powers and attacking other parts of the Blob.

Nothing moves the Blob!

Except the Hulk, Juggernaught, Collossus and whoever else the writers need to move him

WINNER=BALDER

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Blob vs Balder

A warrior with thousands of years of battle experience is likely to never underestimate an opponent can be deadly. As Sun Tzu once said:

"If you know yourself and the enemy, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself and not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle."

He does not know the Blob so he will be cautious until he does.

I know my Sun Tzu but I'm going to go for "agree to disagree" on this one. Everyone underestimates the Blob until he shows what he can do.

I do realise he is not much of a source but you should also admit Balder is faster then the Blob. And just one thing to note, Balder is more intelligent just may not have as much resistance to psychic powers within the game as Blob does. Of course, this has no relevance for this game where no psychic powers are being used. (Plus there is really no way they could know of balder's psychic abilities as I do not beleive I remember him being ever mind controlled).

Which just really goes to show the unreliability of it, doesn't it? Balder is certainly faster, no doubt about it, but Blob is surprising in that department and will still be able to overwhelm the Blob.

The space is bigger then that and Balder as fast as he is will be dodging blows plus this battle will not be that long. Because balder will have blinded Blob and as soon as he realises he cannot cut the arms he will be using his heat powers and attacking other parts of the Blob.

I meant that Blob was about 1.5 times as big. The jail is a pretty enclosed space, with exception of the training room and mess hall. And again, I don't see Balder using his powers immediately. He's going to engage in hand-to-hand first.

I'm thinking we're going around in circles though, so I'm willing to leave it at this.

WINNER=BLOB