Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[primemover]

Vengence (though everything Ghost Rider is lame)
Exodus (my god, the powers)
Enchantress (better breasts)
Unuscione (Bobby comes in stupid, and gets Unusc0wned)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Master (Crap, I totally looked over him and didn't realize he had a match.. oh well, thats what I get.)
Exodus
Enchantress
Iceman

 

[Ahura Mazda]

vengence (no debate)
Exodus (no debate)
Enchantress (too easy for her here)
Iceman (previous battle synches it)

 

[kytrigger]

vengeance
Exodus
SYNCH
Unuscione

 

[JewishHobbit]

Enchantress (though it saddens me )
Exodus
Iceman
Vengeance

 

[POWdER-man]

Enchantress
Vengeance
Exodus
Iceman

 

[hippy fascist]

Vengeance
Enchantress
Exodus
Iceman (bad luck on the draw there)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Vengence beat The Master 9-1
Exodus beat Ultron 10-0
Enchantress beat Synch 9-1
Iceman beat Unuscione 8-2

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 5:

Hercules (KYTRIGGER) bio

VS.

Nimrod (WIEGEABO) bio

Match 6:

Emma Frost (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Drax (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 5:

New Sun (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Wildside (KYTRIGGER) bio

Match 6:

Kylun (PRIMEMOVER) bio

vs.

Fandral (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier

The Helicarrier, an aircraft carrier specifically designed to be itself capable of independent powered flight in addition to the conventional functions of aircraft carriers, is the signature capital ship of the fictional intelligence/defence agency S.H.I.E.L.D.

(Everyone will start on either side of the Helicarrier bridge, and you have to stay within a mile of the carrier. It's very likely with some battles the carrier might crash; if it does, let's figure it crashes in farmland in Kansas somewhere. That way, there really isn't that many people the participants can come across on the ground. Of course, the helicarrier needs people to fly the carrier; but, they will not engage in battle unless they are engaged.)

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Fandral vs Kylun

This is an interesting match, largely because of the fact that is probably the first time that such lower tier characters have had to face one another this far into the game. Naturally though, I'm going to have to post some info on why you can't vote for anyone else but Fandral.

First off, both of these characters are natural warriors and great in what they do, which is fighting. The thing is though, that immediately, Fandral has a number of advantages. He has in excess of a 1000 years in experience when it comes to the art of combat. Then there's also the question of speed, strength and endurance, all categories in which Fandral, thanks to his Asgardian physique, outclasses Kylun.

The biggest disadvantage for Kylun however, is the fact that his primary weapon will be ineffective against Fandral. Sure, he's a bit of a rogue and a scoundrel but no more than that Nightcrawler is. He's got a pure heart, which makes the sword intangible.

I like Kylun, I really do, and I'm sure he'd put up a great fight, but it's a fight he inevitably loses. He can't match Fandral's strength, speed and resilience, and is outclassed against Fandral's experience. The fact that his sword can't hit Fandral also doesn't help.

The only slight advantage Kylun has going for him is his power, which is to replicate any sound he's heard. A useful ability when planning an ambush, but he unfortunately doesn't know anything about Fandral, and would be forced to underestimate him. In the ensuing battle, Kylun bites the dust.

WINNER=FANDRAL

 

[wiegeabo]

New Sun vs. Wildside

Prep-time does nothing for either character since they're from alternate realities. Similarly, location does nothing except put both characters on opposite sides of the same room.

But that is a huge advantage for New Sun.

Wildside doesn't have long range attacks, so once the battle starts he'll rush New Sun. Now, Wildside has advanced agility and reflexes, but that doesn't matter. All New Sun has to do is steal all the kinetic energy in the room, freezing Wildside in place. Then he can finish him off at will.

Or, if he's feeling particularly brutal, New Sun can cause Wildside's claws to explode. Along with his arms, legs, and whatever else he feels would be a good target.

Faced with these problems, Wildside may resort to his rarely used reality warping power (if he's not already in too much pain to do so). That may actually buy him some time. But, regardless of what he's experiencing, all New Sun has to do is explode the entire area with energy. That would take care of Wildside, at least enough for New Sun to return to his senses in finish off Wildside in a particularly brutal way.

This is a one-sided match that Wildside just won't take.


New Sun wins

 

[kytrigger]

New Sun (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Wildside (KYTRIGGER) bio

Okay, so at first this match seems one-sided for New Sun, but after thinking about it, Wildside actually has a good chance at winning.

Powers: New Sun can manipulate all forms of kinetic energy including explosions, flight, and many other things like taveling to alternate realities.

Wildside is completely evil and has techno organic claws, enhanced speed and agility, and the ability to disrupt an individuals sense of reality.

As for prep time, Wildside actualyl takes this. He has access to Weapon X files which mainly deal with mutants, which New Sun is. While New Sun came from a different timeline/dimension, he was in the 616 Universe for a while interecting mainly with Gambit. He even showed up as X-cutioner II for a while so he has a presence in the 616 universe and I am sure Weapon X has some files that show his power level.

Also, I am sure Weapon X has some files on SHIELD as well. Wildside probably won't know the Helicarrier like tha back of his hand, but he can expect some general defenses and whatnot. Not much help, but every little bit helps.


Now, a MAJOR factor in this battle is both combatants characteristics. Wildside will have absolutely no qualms with killing New Sun.

New Sun on teh other hand doesn't just kill at random. Yes, he was a villain and killed his whole planet, but read the bio carefully. Killing his planet was an accident, and he has since been trying to SAVE every single world he has come to. Sometimes that means killing Gambit in those timelines, which he has tried to do, but even then not easily. He even saved Gambit fomr death a couple of times. Hell, he even created a second earth to transport everyone to in case this one exploded so they wouldn't die. He's now the most care-free guy, but he isn't a stone cold killer.

This is important because of his powers. If he was a cold hearted evil bastard, he would be almost unstoppable, but it's not in his character. he uses his powers well, but wouldn't just instantly kill Wildside, which gives Wildside an advantage.

The other main advantage Wildside has is his ability to completely **** with someone's sense of reality. This "attack" is psychic, not kinetic so New Sun realyl has no way of defending against it. This attack can make it so th at New Sun doesn't even see Wildside, or just totally mss with him and make his see rainbow ****ting unicorns all over the place, it's whatever Wildside's really twisted mind can come up with. Hell, he could even make New Sun think he exploded again and killed everyone again, which would REALLY mess with New Sun.

Now, the bio for Wildside states he doesn't use this power often, but I disagree. It's true that he enjoys inflicting physical pain on his opponents more, but he is still an agent of Weapon X. He is trained and actualyl pretty smart tactics wise. Once he reads Weapon Xs files, he will know that New Sun is a major opponent, not one he can mess around with and he will use his most powerful ability.

Another thing to note is that while New Sun is indeed very powerful, he is still just a mutant. He has no great durability like most powerful people. he was killed because a spear stabbed him, so it shows that he can still die just liek a normal human/mutant can. This makes it so that Wildside's claws can still be VERY useful in ending this fight. Making it so New Sun can't detect Widlside and then one real good stab in the back and New Sun would actualyl be dead like most people would. Wildside would also know that he couldn't let New Sun know he's still in the area and would go for the killing blow right away. He might love to toy with his victims, but Wildside is a professional Weapon X agent first and wouldn't risk letting New Sun live and know he is still around.

New Sun is very powerful, but Wildside knowing his history, and using his basically unblockable psychic attack gives him the edge to defeat this powerful foe.

Winner- Wildside

 

[wiegeabo]

Okay, so at first this match seems one-sided for New Sun, but after thinking about it, Wildside actually has a good chance at winning.

Powers: New Sun can manipulate all forms of kinetic energy including explosions, flight, and many other things like taveling to alternate realities.

Wildside is completely evil and has techno organic claws, enhanced speed and agility, and the ability to disrupt an individuals sense of reality.

As for prep time, Wildside actualyl takes this. He has access to Weapon X files which mainly deal with mutants, which New Sun is. While New Sun came from a different timeline/dimension, he was in the 616 Universe for a while interecting mainly with Gambit. He even showed up as X-cutioner II for a while so he has a presence in the 616 universe and I am sure Weapon X has some files that show his power level.

Also, I am sure Weapon X has some files on SHIELD as well. Wildside probably won't know the Helicarrier like tha back of his hand, but he can expect some general defenses and whatnot. Not much help, but every little bit helps.


Now, a MAJOR factor in this battle is both combatants characteristics. Wildside will have absolutely no qualms with killing New Sun.

New Sun on teh other hand doesn't just kill at random. Yes, he was a villain and killed his whole planet, but read the bio carefully. Killing his planet was an accident, and he has since been trying to SAVE every single world he has come to. Sometimes that means killing Gambit in those timelines, which he has tried to do, but even then not easily. He even saved Gambit fomr death a couple of times. Hell, he even created a second earth to transport everyone to in case this one exploded so they wouldn't die. He's now the most care-free guy, but he isn't a stone cold killer.

This is important because of his powers. If he was a cold hearted evil bastard, he would be almost unstoppable, but it's not in his character. he uses his powers well, but wouldn't just instantly kill Wildside, which gives Wildside an advantage.

The other main advantage Wildside has is his ability to completely **** with someone's sense of reality. This "attack" is psychic, not kinetic so New Sun realyl has no way of defending against it. This attack can make it so th at New Sun doesn't even see Wildside, or just totally mss with him and make his see rainbow ****ting unicorns all over the place, it's whatever Wildside's really twisted mind can come up with. Hell, he could even make New Sun think he exploded again and killed everyone again, which would REALLY mess with New Sun.

Now, the bio for Wildside states he doesn't use this power often, but I disagree. It's true that he enjoys inflicting physical pain on his opponents more, but he is still an agent of Weapon X. He is trained and actualyl pretty smart tactics wise. Once he reads Weapon Xs files, he will know that New Sun is a major opponent, not one he can mess around with and he will use his most powerful ability.

Another thing to note is that while New Sun is indeed very powerful, he is still just a mutant. He has no great durability like most powerful people. he was killed because a spear stabbed him, so it shows that he can still die just liek a normal human/mutant can. This makes it so that Wildside's claws can still be VERY useful in ending this fight. Making it so New Sun can't detect Widlside and then one real good stab in the back and New Sun would actualyl be dead like most people would. Wildside would also know that he couldn't let New Sun know he's still in the area and would go for the killing blow right away. He might love to toy with his victims, but Wildside is a professional Weapon X agent first and wouldn't risk letting New Sun live and know he is still around.

New Sun is very powerful, but Wildside knowing his history, and using his basically unblockable psychic attack gives him the edge to defeat this powerful foe.

The problem Wildside is going to have is how the match starts. Once New Sun spots his opponent, he'll freeze him in place. New Sun could just freeze everything around him in place when the match starts just to be safe. And that includes Wildside.


Maybe Wildside can still use his reality warping powers in this state. If he does, New Sun would just react instinctively to everything that's happening and explode the energy around him. If the explosion is strong enough to kill everyone, then the match is over that fast. If it's only enough to knock everyone around and inflict pain, then it will disrupt Wildside's attack.

At that point, New Sun can keep Wildside distracted by doing things like blowing up his claws and other parts of his body. At this point, Wildside would probably just pass out from shock.

New Sun doesn't have to kill Wildside to remove him as a threat. And if Wildside can't get to New Sun, he can't stop him.


New Sun wins

 

[wiegeabo]

Nimrod vs. Hercules

What a match this will be. The helicarrier may not survive this one.

During prep-time, both opponents should find information about the other. Hercules through his Avengers files, and Nimrod through any files he can access. Although this knowledge probably won't do much for Hercules since he pretty much relies on his strength. He may be more cautious against Nimrod, but that won't help since they start off the match in the same room.

Location heavily favors Nimrod because he can interface and use all the technology around him.

When the match begins, Nimrod starts blasting Hercules with everything he's got, knowing that he can't hold back against someone so strong. Nimrod won't care if he kills everyone around him, while Hercules will and will spend time trying to save them. It's what a hero does.

By interfacing with the helicarrier, Nimrod can take control off all it's systems. He can turn the defenses against Hercules (and the crew if they threaten him). He can flood the ship with gas that will hopefully slow down Hercules, if not put him to sleep or outright kill him. All the while, Nimrod can attack with energy blasts and physical power.


Now, what would happen if Hercules did shrug off attacks and get his hands on Nimrod? Nimrod is physically durable and strong; he single handedly defeated Juggernaut and can protect himself with forcefields. So they can fight each other for a while. If Hercules does damage Nimrod, or even rip him apart, Nimrod would just regenerate. And he'd adapt his body to better fight Hercules, becoming a more formidable opponent. If he needs time, Nimrod can teleport to another location in the carrier and repair while using the ship's defenses to keep Hercules busy.

Nimrod could also use surprise to his advantage by shape-shifting into a crew member or something else that Hercules wouldn't suspect. When the time is right, Nimrod strikes. Or Nimrod could do something drastic like teleporting himself out of range while causing the helicarrier to self-destruct with Hercules still inside. Or slam the helicarrier into the ground while he flies safely behind it.

Hercules is an opponent not to be taken lightly, but Nimrod was designed to take everyone out. And he adapts and improves himself when he runs into problems, making him even more formidable. Hercules finally has met his match.


Nimrod wins

 

[kytrigger]

The problem Wildside is going to have is how the match starts. Once New Sun spots his opponent, he'll freeze him in place. New Sun could just freeze everything around him in place when the match starts just to be safe. And that includes Wildside.

Well teh biggest problem with this is that he would also freeze/kill all the innocent SHIELD guys up there. If the actual freezing of them didn't kill them, then the soon to be crash landing would since they couldn't operate the ship.

Maybe Wildside can still use his reality warping powers in this state. If he does, New Sun would just react instinctively to everything that's happening and explode the energy around him. If the explosion is strong enough to kill everyone, then the match is over that fast. If it's only enough to knock everyone around and inflict pain, then it will disrupt Wildside's attack.

Same thing with the innocent people. If New Sun was actually a straight up bad guy and didn't care about life, then yeah this would be a major problem for Wildisde, but thankfully for Wildside New Sun is actually much deeper than that.

At that point, New Sun can keep Wildside distracted by doing things like blowing up his claws and other parts of his body. At this point, Wildside would probably just pass out from shock.

New Sun doesn't have to kill Wildside to remove him as a threat. And if Wildside can't get to New Sun, he can't stop him.

The two main points I would like to stress is that New Sun has to know where Wildside is to control his energy. If Wildside makes him think he isn't there, or is somewhere else entirely, than New Sun can't really attack him in the correct way.

Also, I truly believe Wildside would make New Sun "see" another destroyed earth with his powers. Wildside is a sick bastard and would absolutely LOVE to mess with New Sun like this. This would most liekly devastate New Sun. I mean he spent the majority of his life making sure this exact thing didn't happen again. If he believed he did this yet again, it would at least crush him enough so that Wildside (who would be invisible anyway) could sneak up and kill New Sun.


Another very likely scenario is that Wildside would also mess with the SHIELD people. the heli-carrier has some damn fine defenses I would assume, and he could manipulate them into thinkingthey were being attacked by New Sun. Even with New Sun's powers, a helicarrier is a tough cookie. it would definately keep him busy for a while allowing Wildside to go in for the killing blow.

Winner- Wildside

 

[kytrigger]

Hercules (KYTRIGGER) bio

VS.

Nimrod (WIEGEABO) bio

To hell with DeLahoya/Mayweather, this is a real fight here!

Okay, so first powers:
Nimrod is a sentinel form the future that has superstrength, can shoot energy, can heal itself, has forcefields etc. Basically he's a heavy hitter that can do a lot.

Hercules is freaking Hercules. He has vast superstrength, a badass mace that is as strong as Mjolinor, and as a god is basically immortal. According to the bio, he once again has his godly powers, but I'm not sure (he might have gotten them after his 12 Labors again) so we might need a ruling on that.


Okay, so we have gotten past the point that both are huge powerhouses, now onto prep time. Both should know about the same amount. Herc can get all the info from Avenger files and Nimrod can easily find out about Herc as well. Herc would probably know more about the Helicarrier though since he would not only have files but has been on them numerous times.

Now, as for the match, Herc would most likely go straight after Nimrod looking to tear it up a bit. While Nimrod has plenty of offensive weapons, Herc has seen them all before. Nimrod's super-strength, laser beams, and forcefields are somethign new to Herc. Those powers are strong, but Herc has taken punches and blasts form the most powerful characters in the MU. In fact, each weapon Nimrod has, Herc has faced a stronger version of it. Nimrod is strong, Thor is stronger etc.

Another major factor in this is Herc's mace. He doesn't carry it around often anymore, but this adamantium mace is as strong as Mjolnor. Herc woudl definately com e prepared with this beauty since he knows he's in for a fight. Nimrod is very durable, but with the mace, Herc should be able to do some MAJOR damage. Adamantium has even been shown to act wierd to different forcefields, so it might completely penetrate Nimrod's forcefield.

Now, Nimrod has a very good healing ability where he can draw in his old parts and he is basically healed again. Herc will recognize this and do the smartest/coolest thing in a fight ever. Herc breaks off one of his arms, he then chucks that thing off the helicarrier. Nimrod can't reassimilate into himself anymore. Do this a couple of times and Nimrod is in really bad shape.

This would be one hell of a knock down drag out fight, but Herc would come in victorious and then go get drunk afterwards.

Winner- Hercules

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

Nimrod vs. Hercules

What a match this will be. The helicarrier may not survive this one.

I definately agree with you there.

During prep-time, both opponents should find information about the other. Hercules through his Avengers files, and Nimrod through any files he can access. Although this knowledge probably won't do much for Hercules since he pretty much relies on his strength. He may be more cautious against Nimrod, but that won't help since they start off the match in the same room.

True, Herc is mainly a one-note kinda guy, but he also has great battle experience. Knowing his opponent will definately help him out.


Also, being in the same room helps him I think since Herc is basicalyl just a close range fighter. Less distance to cover to start the brawling.

Location heavily favors Nimrod because he can interface and use all the technology around him.

The biggest problem with this is that SHIELD is probabyl one of the most secure technological paces there is. Even though he's from a future, there's a chance that SHIELD would recognize his hacking and the defense would turn on Nimrod.

When the match begins, Nimrod starts blasting Hercules with everything he's got, knowing that he can't hold back against someone so strong. Nimrod won't care if he kills everyone around him, while Hercules will and will spend time trying to save them. It's what a hero does.

It is true that Herc will stop to protect som einnocents, but there are two major things to point out.

1. These are SHIELD trained people, they can get out of the way of most thing like falling debris and stuff without Herc's help, so he'd only need to really save a couple probably.

2. These are SHIELD trained people that were just attacked by Nimrod, that makes him an enemy. They would regroup and tear into Nimrod and help out Herc. And this Heli-carrier has some things that could definately do in Nimrod especially since his bio states that he has weaknesses to bio attacks like extreme cold. SHIELD would know this about him in their files and would hit him with freeze rays or whatever they have.

By interfacing with the helicarrier, Nimrod can take control off all it's systems. He can turn the defenses against Hercules (and the crew if they threaten him). He can flood the ship with gas that will hopefully slow down Hercules, if not put him to sleep or outright kill him. All the while, Nimrod can attack with energy blasts and physical power.

The biggest problem I see here is that like you said, they start in very close quarters. Herc will be on Nimrod immediately not giving Nimrod any time at all to to and take over the computers (which still may be hack proof)

Now, what would happen if Hercules did shrug off attacks and get his hands on Nimrod? Nimrod is physically durable and strong; he single handedly defeated Juggernaut and can protect himself with forcefields. So they can fight each other for a while. If Hercules does damage Nimrod, or even rip him apart, Nimrod would just regenerate. And he'd adapt his body to better fight Hercules, becoming a more formidable opponent. If he needs time, Nimrod can teleport to another location in the carrier and repair while using the ship's defenses to keep Hercules busy.

The way he regenerates mostly is by reabsorbing the parts he lost back into himslef. He can't do this when Herc chucks his parts away off the Helicarrier.

And like you said, NImrod would have no regard for the SHIELD life aboard, so when they start fighting immediately he will be the one putting them in danger and making them attack Nimrod.

Nimrod could also use surprise to his advantage by shape-shifting into a crew member or something else that Hercules wouldn't suspect. When the time is right, Nimrod strikes. Or Nimrod could do something drastic like teleporting himself out of range while causing the helicarrier to self-destruct with Hercules still inside. Or slam the helicarrier into the ground while he flies safely behind it.

Well. he couldn't get too far out of range or else he is eliminated, and crashign the Helicarrier wouldn't do much to Herc. Remember, he dragged a damn heli-carrier when he was mortal, and now he is immortal again so one crashing wouldn't do anythign to him.

Hercules is an opponent not to be taken lightly, but Nimrod was designed to take everyone out. And he adapts and improves himself when he runs into problems, making him even more formidable. Hercules finally has met his match.

Nimrod does adapt, but adaptation is only so much. He can only adapt so much extra strenght and durability to blows, and once Herc is tossing his parts away, he can't regenerate them.

Nimrod is a powerful opponent that has many different attacks. The thing is though is that Herc has faced each type of attack before, and each one was more powerful than what Nimrod has at his disposal. Add this with the pissed off SHIELD guys that Nimrod attacked that will be helping Herc out and you have one messed up heli-carrier and a victorious Hercules.

Also. I'll just poin tou thow he knocked out Juggernaut. Juggs helmet was off, and he used high frequency sonics to knock him unconscious. It has been shown before that sonics don't affect Hercules.

Another thing to consider is that Nimrod was built to scan an predict mutant powers. Herc isn't a mutant, so while Nimrod can obviously figure out his powers, it could very well be impossible for him to adapt to them as he usually does since Hercules is in fact mystical.


Winner- Hercules

 

[Midnight Ice]

Emma Frost (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Drax (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

Drax is very powerful and has faced more powerful opponents before and come out on top. He has killed Thanos, a feat which I don't believe has been done before.(I could be wrong, I haven't read all of Thanos' appearences.)

sure Emma would put up one heck of a fight, but Drax would ultimatly come out the winner.

Winner: Drax

 

[Phaedrus45]

Emma Frost vs. Drax the Destroyer:

This is a pretty good match-up for Emma, and one of the best ways to defeat a character, like Drax. First, the bios:

Drax:

Drax's powers at one point included super strength, energy blasts, a high degree of resilience, flight, and the ability to survive and travel at high speeds in outer space and hyperspace. His power was such that he could destroy planets with a single blow and rip apart the core inside a Star causing it to explode. He had bright green skin, and almost always wore a purple skullcap.
As of the 2006 "Annihilation" mini-series, Drax has again "died" and undergone a "rebirth," appearing to have lost some of his strength and resilience, as well as his ability to fly and shoot energy blasts. However, his intellect has returned to its original level, and he has taken a liking to using knives in battle. He has also appeared for the first time without his usual purple uniform and skullcap, and gained scarlet tattoos instead.

This is the rebirthed Drax, and as his bio states, he has "lost some of his strength and resilience, as well as his ability to fly and shoot energy blast." And, while his intelligence has returned, he was much more threatening before this transformation, IMO.


Emma Frost:

Emma Frost is a transmorph capable of accessing both a human form with telepathic abilities or an organic diamond form with enhanced strength and durability. Since her introduction, Frost has displayed the telepathic standards of broadcasting and receiving thoughts, mind control, altering perceptions and memories, astral projection, etc. She is highly skilled at creating electronic devices that amplify/block/engage psionic powers, as well as exploiting flaws in most electronic equipment.

Also:

During the massacre of over 16 million mutants in Genosha, Frost developed a secondary mutation: the ability to transform herself into a perfectly smooth, flexible, translucent diamond-like substance ... recent clarifications in X-Men #190 and Astonishing X-Men have shown that Morrison's initial depiction of her powers was correct: that Frost cannot access her psychic powers in diamond form and vice versa. Her mind's condition when in diamond form has also been inconsistent. Phoenix: Warsong #3 however confirms that Emma's mind is completely immune to telepathy (both communication and assault) while diamond.

There are a few main points in regards to this match.

*Drax will not have any information regarding his opponent. Emma will. The only possible problem is Emma will likely be expecting the old Drax...but, it's possible that with the picture she has of her opponent, she might realize he's a newer version. Either way, she'll be expecting someone vastly stronger and dangerous than the new version.

*Drax will not have any information regarding the location. Again, Emma will. I'm positive the X-Men have information regarding the helicarrier. If she needed to, she can use it to her advantage, especially considering she's a expert when it comes to electronic equipment.

*Most importantly, and the reason this match won't last long, is Drax is susceptible to psychic attacks. As Drax's history notes, he was killed by his daughter, Moondragon, when she used a psychic attack against him. Emma will know this is his weakness, she'll have past information on Drax, and she'll also know not to *****-foot around someone so completely dangerous. In regards to Drax, he won't know he's facing a telepath of such dangerous abilities.

Winner = Emma Frost

 

[Phaedrus45]

Drax is very powerful and has faced more powerful opponents before and come out on top. He has killed Thanos, a feat which I don't believe has been done before.(I could be wrong, I haven't read all of Thanos' appearences.)

sure Emma would put up one heck of a fight, but Drax would ultimatly come out the winner.

Winner: Drax

There are a couple problems that I have with this opening debate.

1) I'm pretty positive your reference to Drax killing Thanos is from Annihilation, which has been stated as not being allowed to be used in the debates. The last reference you can use in regards to Drax is his miniseries, Drax The Destroyer.

2) Thanos has been killed, supposedly, before by other people. Just as I'm sure we'll discover he lives in a future comic after the events in Annihilation, he did the same a few times before.

3) Emma won't have to put up "one heck of a fight," because Drax's one weakness is his vulnerability to psychic attacks. This will be very quick; because, as I pointed out, Drax knows nothing about Emma and Emma will have a pretty damn good idea about Drax (and this location).

Winner = Emma Frost

 

[primemover]

Kylun vs. Fandral

Kylun has cooler facial hair than Fandral, that Oliver Queen wannabe, so there.

Winner: Kylun

 

[wiegeabo]

Well teh biggest problem with this is that he would also freeze/kill all the innocent SHIELD guys up there. If the actual freezing of them didn't kill them, then the soon to be crash landing would since they couldn't operate the ship.

Same thing with the innocent people. If New Sun was actually a straight up bad guy and didn't care about life, then yeah this would be a major problem for Wildisde, but thankfully for Wildside New Sun is actually much deeper than that.[/quote]

Freeze isn't the right word. It would really be New Sun taking away everyone's kinetic energy. They'd be motionless. Giving New Sun the time to focus on Wildside (if he didn't spot him right of the bat). So no one dies and they can continue to work on keeping the helicarrier flying.

The two main points I would like to stress is that New Sun has to know where Wildside is to control his energy. If Wildside makes him think he isn't there, or is somewhere else entirely, than New Sun can't really attack him in the correct way.

Also, I truly believe Wildside would make New Sun "see" another destroyed earth with his powers. Wildside is a sick bastard and would absolutely LOVE to mess with New Sun like this. This would most liekly devastate New Sun. I mean he spent the majority of his life making sure this exact thing didn't happen again. If he believed he did this yet again, it would at least crush him enough so that Wildside (who would be invisible anyway) could sneak up and kill New Sun.

If Wildside uses his reality power, before New Sun stops him, and shows him some of these images, New Sun is likely to lash out in anger, rage, fear, and all of the other emotions he'll experience. Think of a wave of energy that spreads out from New Sun, taking down everyone else. It doesn't matter if he knocks the crew out. If Wildside falls, the match ends before the helicarrier falls.

New Sun could always avoid this by just unleashing a wave of energy at the start of the match. It doesn't have to kill, just incapacitate everyone, including Wildside.

Another very likely scenario is that Wildside would also mess with the SHIELD people. the heli-carrier has some damn fine defenses I would assume, and he could manipulate them into thinkingthey were being attacked by New Sun. Even with New Sun's powers, a helicarrier is a tough cookie. it would definately keep him busy for a while allowing Wildside to go in for the killing blow.

Defenses can be 'frozen' like any thing else. Or New Sun could just detonate them. Or he can stop the fight before it gets that far by taking out Wildside nice and fast (maybe even to protect the crew from injury).

Another tactic is to detonate the equipment, floor, anything else around Wildside. The concussions from the blasts, or the injuries, can knock Wildside out or worse.

Wildside is just outmatched this round.


New Sun wins

 

[wiegeabo]

To hell with DeLahoya/Mayweather, this is a real fight here!

Now, as for the match, Herc would most likely go straight after Nimrod looking to tear it up a bit. While Nimrod has plenty of offensive weapons, Herc has seen them all before. Nimrod's super-strength, laser beams, and forcefields are somethign new to Herc. Those powers are strong, but Herc has taken punches and blasts form the most powerful characters in the MU. In fact, each weapon Nimrod has, Herc has faced a stronger version of it. Nimrod is strong, Thor is stronger etc.

Anytime Nimrod feels threatened by Herc's strength, he can just teleport away to regroup, redesign, repair, whatever. In this case, if Hercules rushes him right off the bat, Nimrod can teleport behind Herc and attack him.

Another major factor in this is Herc's mace. He doesn't carry it around often anymore, but this adamantium mace is as strong as Mjolnor. Herc woudl definately com e prepared with this beauty since he knows he's in for a fight. Nimrod is very durable, but with the mace, Herc should be able to do some MAJOR damage. Adamantium has even been shown to act wierd to different forcefields, so it might completely penetrate Nimrod's forcefield.

Hercules will have to make contact with Nimrod. Not a guarantee. And Nimrod can always repair himself. Hercules would probably have to destroy him down to the molecular level to make sure he's stopped the sentinel.

And every time Nimrod is damaged, or his forcefield is breached, he'll reconfigure himself to be stronger. If his weapons have no effect on Hercules, he'll ramp them up until they start to do something.

Now, Nimrod has a very good healing ability where he can draw in his old parts and he is basically healed again. Herc will recognize this and do the smartest/coolest thing in a fight ever. Herc breaks off one of his arms, he then chucks that thing off the helicarrier. Nimrod can't reassimilate into himself anymore. Do this a couple of times and Nimrod is in really bad shape.

Not a bad idea, actually. But Nimrod can use pieces of the technology around him to rebuild himself (and teleport away if he needs the time).


Nimrod wins