Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

LOCATION: Savage Land

The Savage Land is a hidden prehistoric land within the fictional Marvel Comics Universe. It is a tropical preserve hidden in Antarctica.

There are many types of races in the Savage Land and Pangea. Examples of Savage Land races include the bird people called Aerians, the Fall People who are friends of the X-Men, the monkey-tailed Tree People, the amphibious Tubanti fish-people of the inland Gorahn Sea, the Lizard Men of Vali-Kuri City, and the nomadic cat people of Pandori. Popular races in the Savage Land are the Man-Apes, the Lemurans, the Pterons (pterodactyl-like people), the human Sun People, the Swamp Men, and the Zebra People.

(The Savage Land is inhabited, as shown above; no super-powered individuals are included, though, including the likes of Sauron, Moon-Boy, or Devil Dinosaur.)
 
Super Adaptoid (WIEGEABO) bio

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VS.

Magneto (KYTRIGGER) bio

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Okay, this is an interesting match because super-adaptoid is very powerful, but is still made of metal.

Powers:
Super Adaptoid and "scan" anyone and basically get their powers. he is a robot so it doesn't tire easily.

Everyone knows Magneto.

Okay, so the location is a HUGE advantage for Magneto. He not only knows the place very well, but this is the place that he has all of the machines he uses to enhance his powers even more so than usual.

Another thing to note is that this is the dumb version of Adaptoid not the smart one. He can still use his powers and everything, but is nowhere near as craft and clever as he was.

Okay, so Adaptoid will most liekly take mimic Magneto's powers, but that is useless. Just having his powers doesn't mean he can utilize them anywhere near as good as Magneto can. Magneto's powers aren't something relatively simple to use like strength, they have many avenues of exploration that Adaptoid won't know how to control, especially the dumber version here. Magneto has mastered his powers and knows basically everything about them. While Adaptoid tries using Magneto's own powers, Magneto will simply overpower him and completely rip him apart. He is made of metal afer all.

Hell, Adaptoid might not even get a chance to mimic his powers. it's not like Magneto will care about killing a robot so he will probably end this one quickly by shredding him in a second so he can get back to his crazy schemes.

It's just a bad draw for Adaptoid.


Winner- Magneto
 
Super-Adaptoid vs Magneto

This is one heck of a match. An adaptable android against the master of magnetism.

Prep-time shouldn't mean much. Both characters probably know about each other, at least to some degree. Magneto is well known enough for information to be available, if Adaptoid didn't already know everything about him. And, although not guaranteed, Magnus probably knows something about Adpatoid since he usually has access to large resources of information.

Location is an advantage for Magneto since it used to be his homebase. But Adaptoid's raw abilities compensate for this advantage.

Adaptoid has access to a number of powers that, even with his shields, can give Magneto a good fight. The problem is that, with his powers of magnetism, Magnus can control the very metal within Adaptoid's body.

Now, being such an advanced creature, it's possible that the Adaptoid's body isn't made of anything magnetic (there are plenty of non-magnetic metals and materials). This means Magnus can't control the android. But, even if that's true, Magneto can use his ultimate weapon and hit the Adaptoid with an EM pulse that fries circuitry.

And, with most other androids, that would be enough. But Super-Adaptoid isn't like other androids because he can mimic Magnus' own powers and become another master of magnetism. This means it can protect itself from an electromagnetic pulse, or from Magneto trying to attack any magnetic parts of its body. All the while, Adaptoid can effect Magneto's powers, disabling his shield, or disrupting his ability to fly or control metal. In effect, canceling out Magneto's power.

And while Magneto can do the same to Adaptoid, taking away its magnetic abilities, the android still has a number of other powers to use. While Magnus will essentially be powerless, and helpless, against the Adaptoid's attacks.

It's not going to be an easy fight for either opponent, but the Adaptoid has more powers to draw from that give him the advantage.


Super-Adaptoid wins
 
Maestro (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Pulsar (HARLEKIN) bio

This is an intertesting match between two pretty powerful characters.

Powers:
Pulsar can make herself into any type of electromagnetic energy. This allows her to travel at light speed and shoot these different types of energy.

Maestro is a version of the Hulk. He is a combination of Savage Hulk, Professor Hulk, and Joe Fixit. He has Professor's brain, Fixit's cunning, and Savage Hulk's strength. He starts off stronger than Savage Hulk, although he has never shown to get as angry so his strength i stopped off unlike Savage Hulk.


Prep Time wise is probably a toss up. Pulsar won't know anythign about Maestro, but will probably look at the pisture and figure "hulk". Maestro is from teh future and knows most superheroes, so he might know about Pulsar since she is a prett prominent hero.

Location is definately an advantage for Maestro. Neither will know too much about the Savage Land, but it benefits Maestro because it is populated with innocent people.

This is really what tips the scale in Maestro's favor. If she is pure energy, it is very difficult for Maestro to hurt Pulsar, and stil almost impossible fo rher to hurt him, he is just too durable and has taken much stronger energy blasts than hers.

However, Maestro is not only very smart, but a ruthless bastard too. He will start attacking the innocent people in the Savage Land, and Pulsar will have to save them. In order to save them, she must turn into her regual form or risk frying them to death.

Once she is back in her original form, Maestro will strike hard and fast. Pulsar is very fast, but doesn't fight at light speeds. While she is busy saving someone Maestro will just pounce and kill her immediately. Pulsar is such a hero that even if she saw him coming and knew it was either her or an innocent that was going to die, she would let herself die to save them. It's a remarkabvle trait that will ultimately defeat her in this battle.
 
rebuttal
Super-Adaptoid vs Magneto

This is one heck of a match. An adaptable android against the master of magnetism.
agree with you so far :up:

Prep-time shouldn't mean much. Both characters probably know about each other, at least to some degree. Magneto is well known enough for information to be available, if Adaptoid didn't already know everything about him. And, although not guaranteed, Magnus probably knows something about Adpatoid since he usually has access to large resources of information.
Agree, both characters are very high profile so info shouldn't be hard to come by.

Location is an advantage for Magneto since it used to be his homebase. But Adaptoid's raw abilities compensate for this advantage.
agree except fo rthe compensation part of course.

Adaptoid has access to a number of powers that, even with his shields, can give Magneto a good fight. The problem is that, with his powers of magnetism, Magnus can control the very metal within Adaptoid's body.
Mags shields are ridiculous. Even though Adaptoid has many abilities, Magneto has fought eagainst every one of those (or at least most of them) abilities before and his shields have withstood it. And most of the time he is fighting against a team like the X-Men or Avengers so he is also used to many different types of attacks at once.

Now, being such an advanced creature, it's possible that the Adaptoid's body isn't made of anything magnetic (there are plenty of non-magnetic metals and materials). This means Magnus can't control the android.
Well, I don't think they have ever said what he is made of, but he has been a part of Heavy Metal and even had a major storyline about him called Heavy Metal before, so I bet he's made of metal.
But, even if that's true, Magneto can use his ultimate weapon and hit the Adaptoid with an EM pulse that fries circuitry.
also very true. I actualyl didn't even think of that somehow. Thanks :woot: :cwink: .

And, with most other androids, that would be enough. But Super-Adaptoid isn't like other androids because he can mimic Magnus' own powers and become another master of magnetism. This means it can protect itself from an electromagnetic pulse, or from Magneto trying to attack any magnetic parts of its body. All the while, Adaptoid can effect Magneto's powers, disabling his shield, or disrupting his ability to fly or control metal. In effect, canceling out Magneto's power.
This is where I disagree. just because you have Magneto's same power doesn't in any way mean you are as powerful. Magneto has mastered every single nook and cranny of his power and has done tings nobody hough possible with that power. Adaptoid does not mimic Magneto's understanding of his powers so he won't know how to do most of the things Magneto can do.

It's like when Super-Adaptoid fought Captain America with only Cap's powers. He lost becasue simply mimicing Cap doesn't make you as good as Cap.

This is all especially true since this version of Adaptoid is much dumber than most models.

And while Magneto can do the same to Adaptoid, taking away its magnetic abilities, the android still has a number of other powers to use. While Magnus will essentially be powerless, and helpless, against the Adaptoid's attacks.
Except that taking away his magentic abilities won't take much for Magneto. He's basically going to be fighting a metallic rookie of himself.


What this fight basically comes down to is whether or not the voters think that Adaptoid can first of all mimic Magneto's powers before he just crushes him into oblivion, and if he can, if he is actually as good at using Magneto's powers as Magneto is, especially this dumber version.

Super Adaptoid mimic abilities not experience and knowledge, two things that Magneto has more of than almost any other character in Marvel when it comes to his powers. Adaptoid will try and use Magneto's powers and be overwhelmed immediately and crushed soon thereafter.


Winner- Magneto
 
OPENING COMMENTS: Apocalypse vs Her

Let's get real simple here. Apocalypse is stronger than Her, he's more durable, he's got more power and his regeneration is not only quicker, it's more versatile and powerful than Her's. He's also more intelligent and a smarter fighter, whereas Her is more of a hothead. Beyond that, he's way too versatile, also having the abilities of telepathy, telekinesis, complete control over his own molecules, as well as absorbing and redirecting energy.

I don't like him, but Poccy is simply superior.

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WINNER=APOCALYPSE
 
Her vs Apocalypse

This is going to be a serious fight. It's doubtful much of the Savage Land would survive, and neither opponent will care about the damage or death they deal. Prep-time likely will do nothing for either character.

There's a lot of similarity in powers:

Both have incredible strength and durability. Because they can both draw on energy, they rarely tire.

Both can fire and manipulate energy.

Both can fly, although her can fly faster (ten times the speed of sound) and doesn't have to convert a part of her body to do so.

Both have the ability to heal from extreme damage.

Both are practically immortal.

Apocalypse has other powers like telepathy and teleportation. But Her also has the ability to manipulate matter.


When the match starts, Her will turn this into a brawl, slamming into Apoc at far above the speed of sound. Faster then he'll be able to react. Will this hurt Apoc, probably not, and they'll both start tearing into each other. Physical and energy attacks that instantly kill the surrounding inhabitants will test both of their limits, but probably not slow them down much.

Once Her sees how durable her opponent is, she can tap into another ability and just convert Apocalypse's molecules. She could turn his head into a block of metal, or his internal organs into anything she thinks of. And, as impressive a being Apocalypse is, you destroy his brain, and you destroy him. And if, somehow, this doesn't kill him, she can just convert the rest of his body into something inanimate and harmless.


Her wins
 
Dang, it feels so good to know I don't have to bother with this thread, now that I don't have any characters in Bracket 7 and 8. It's much easier to check if a rebutt ever comes up that I need to respond to. Only thing that sucks is I'll always have to do a lot of reading come voting day.
 
REBUTTAL: Apocalypse vs Her
When the match starts, Her will turn this into a brawl, slamming into Apoc at far above the speed of sound. Faster then he'll be able to react. Will this hurt Apoc, probably not, and they'll both start tearing into each other. Physical and energy attacks that instantly kill the surrounding inhabitants will test both of their limits, but probably not slow them down much.
Apocalypse's reflexes are insane. Considering he's smacked down Quicksilver, I think he can take down Her as well. I at least doubt she'll be able to locate him that quickly and take him by surprise. Even then, given your strategy the advantage, Her can't actually stand up to Poccy's energies. He's downed the X-Men in about 20 seconds. He's faced folks like Ikaris. His limits are not easily reached.

Once Her sees how durable her opponent is, she can tap into another ability and just convert Apocalypse's molecules. She could turn his head into a block of metal, or his internal organs into anything she thinks of. And, as impressive a being Apocalypse is, you destroy his brain, and you destroy him. And if, somehow, this doesn't kill him, she can just convert the rest of his body into something inanimate and harmless.
This is extremely doubtful. Considering Apocalypse possesses complete control over his own molecular structure, it's doubtful she can alter him in that way. He'll at least be able to resist it, and that's time that Her doesn't have. If he feels seriously threatened, Poccy will take her out via one of his other powers (such as telepathy) without much trouble.

As it is though, I doubt she can stand up to Poccy in the first brawl, signalling her defeat.

WINNER=APOCALYPSE
 
OPENING COMMENTS: Pulsar vs Maestro

So, naturally, one would assume this battle is hopeless for Pulsar, but a little research shows this to be untrue. What are Pulsar's powers? "The ability to transform into any aspect of the electromagnetic spectrum. She can travel at speeds up to and including the speed of light. Rambeau also has the ability to fire energy blasts and can absorb energy from outside sources."

The bolded parts are the most important. The electromagnetic spectrum consists of a variety of rays and such. At a 10^19Hz, we find the most interesting and vital part to this battle: Gamma rays. Pulsar won't have much info on the Maestro, if at all, but one thing that has proven true in the Marvel universe is that green practically always matches a gamma-irridiated person.

Now, we reference back to the "absorb" part. Although quite a bit dangerous. What's the easiest way to defeat the Hulk? Make him transform into Banner. I'm not quite sure on the Banner-Maestro thing, but he still has a human form, one that Pulsar can draw out. She knows she can't just take on a Hulk-level threat on her own, and she'll try a different strategy. With the large Savage Land, and her capable of extreme speeds, she should be able to stay away from Maestro long enough to pull this stuff.

Once the Maestro's human (or otherwise weakened), she can easily defeat him.

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WINNER=PULSAR
 
REBUTTAL: Pulsar vs Maestro
Powers:
Pulsar can make herself into any type of electromagnetic energy. This allows her to travel at light speed and shoot these different types of energy.
Among other things. Phasing, absorbing and redirecting energy etc.

Prep Time wise is probably a toss up. Pulsar won't know anythign about Maestro, but will probably look at the pisture and figure "hulk". Maestro is from teh future and knows most superheroes, so he might know about Pulsar since she is a prett prominent hero.
He'll probably know a few basic things about her (leader of the Avengers and such) but I doubt anything in-depth. Same goes for Pulsar though, although she'll figure out pretty soon that he is a gamma-powered person.

Location is definately an advantage for Maestro. Neither will know too much about the Savage Land, but it benefits Maestro because it is populated with innocent people.
The Savage Land is quite huge, and it can take days before you reach any type of civilization. Besides, these people will scatter instantly at the sight of the Maestro, and considering the fact that they know the land, will be able to get away.

This is really what tips the scale in Maestro's favor. If she is pure energy, it is very difficult for Maestro to hurt Pulsar, and stil almost impossible fo rher to hurt him, he is just too durable and has taken much stronger energy blasts than hers.
Which is exactly why she'll go the gamma route, and depower him immensely before fully taking him on. He has no defense against this. Gamma rays are the source of his power, and she can absorb them.

However, Maestro is not only very smart, but a ruthless bastard too. He will start attacking the innocent people in the Savage Land, and Pulsar will have to save them. In order to save them, she must turn into her regual form or risk frying them to death.
I'm pretty sure that she can make certain parts of her body human, but I could be wrong about that. Besides, I seriously doubt the innocents will be any huge factor in this match, since they'll scatter immediately, and the Savage Land is quite a dense place.

Once she is back in her original form, Maestro will strike hard and fast. Pulsar is very fast, but doesn't fight at light speeds. While she is busy saving someone Maestro will just pounce and kill her immediately. Pulsar is such a hero that even if she saw him coming and knew it was either her or an innocent that was going to die, she would let herself die to save them. It's a remarkabvle trait that will ultimately defeat her in this battle.
This is certainly true, but as I said, I doubt it will come into play. She'll got the energy absorbing route almost immediately, leaving the Maestro very little to defend or attack with. Once she gets him weakened, she knocks him out.

Pulsar's unique powers make her an excellent opponent against Maestro.

WINNER=PULSAR
 
Rebuttal
OPENING COMMENTS: Pulsar vs Maestro

So, naturally, one would assume this battle is hopeless for Pulsar, but a little research shows this to be untrue. What are Pulsar's powers? "The ability to transform into any aspect of the electromagnetic spectrum. She can travel at speeds up to and including the speed of light. Rambeau also has the ability to fire energy blasts and can absorb energy from outside sources."

The bolded parts are the most important. The electromagnetic spectrum consists of a variety of rays and such. At a 10^19Hz, we find the most interesting and vital part to this battle: Gamma rays. Pulsar won't have much info on the Maestro, if at all, but one thing that has proven true in the Marvel universe is that green practically always matches a gamma-irridiated person.
Well green doesn't mean that. It could mean he's a skrull for all we know, but that's not really a big point or anything.

The thing about Pulsar is that she can absorb/manipulate gamma radiation, but she has bever done it against the Hulk. She has even fough thim beofre and has still never siphoned off his radiation before (at least not that I'm aware of). Not only has she never done this before, but this is Maestro. His whole backstroy is that he is much stronger than Hulk because he has absorbed all the radiation from basically a worldwide nuclear war. He not only has much more radiation inside him than any other Hulk, but he has a bunch of different radiations inside him as well. So not only would Pulsar has to do something she has never done before (and doesn't know if she can do) in siphoning off enough energy to weaken Maestro, but she has to manipulate many different types of radiation as well. And I have only ever seen her do one at a time before. She simply will not have the time to do this. Maestro is smart an dwould know if he is being weakened and would instantly attack Pulsar to make her stop.

Now, we reference back to the "absorb" part. Although quite a bit dangerous. What's the easiest way to defeat the Hulk? Make him transform into Banner. I'm not quite sure on the Banner-Maestro thing, but he still has a human form, one that Pulsar can draw out. She knows she can't just take on a Hulk-level threat on her own, and she'll try a different strategy. With the large Savage Land, and her capable of extreme speeds, she should be able to stay away from Maestro long enough to pull this stuff.
I don't even think Maestro can turn into Banner anymore. he never has and is in Hulk form all teh time. not only that, but saying "it's the easiest way to defeat a Hulk" isn't saying much really. While true, it's not like everyone has done this to him before. Only the absolute best energy manipulators in Marvel have accomplished this like Silver SUrfer, and Pulsar is in no way as good at energy manipulation as Surfer.

REBUTTAL: Pulsar vs Maestro
He'll probably know a few basic things about her (leader of the Avengers and such) but I doubt anything in-depth. Same goes for Pulsar though, although she'll figure out pretty soon that he is a gamma-powered person.
And she'll soon figure out that she way outmatched here too.

The Savage Land is quite huge, and it can take days before you reach any type of civilization. Besides, these people will scatter instantly at the sight of the Maestro, and considering the fact that they know the land, will be able to get away.
Then why is it basically every time anyone goes into the Savage Land you see tribes? They are everywhere. This might be a big place, but it is also densely populated. And it's not like Maestro isn't used to people running away. He's caught them hundreds of times and could easily do so again. What they hid in a tree? Thunderclap all the trees for a mile. When he wants to bring people into the equation he has plenty of ways to accomplish it.

Which is exactly why she'll go the gamma route, and depower him immensely before fully taking him on. He has no defense against this.
He doesn't need a defense against this. Not many people have been able to do this to him. If it was really that easy, then the Illuminatti would have just absorbed his energy instead of shooting him off into space.
Gamma rays are the source of his power, and she can absorb them.
Actually his source of power is gamma radiation and many other types of radiation as well. And sice she has only ever been shown to manipulate/absorb one energy at a time, she's in a pickle. That is if she can even absorb enough energy from Maestro to weaken him which I doubt.

I'm pretty sure that she can make certain parts of her body human, but I could be wrong about that. Besides, I seriously doubt the innocents will be any huge factor in this match, since they'll scatter immediately, and the Savage Land is quite a dense place.
And he can destroy that dense place witha thunderclap. It isn't hard for him to do and Pulsar would then have to save everyone in that thunderclap range (which is quite large) So she will basically be throwing herself into a thunderclap which would really mess her up if not knock her out completely.

This is certainly true, but as I said, I doubt it will come into play. She'll got the energy absorbing route almost immediately, leaving the Maestro very little to defend or attack with. Once she gets him weakened, she knocks him out.

Pulsar's unique powers make her an excellent opponent against Maestro.
Her pwer makes her a edcent opponent if she was better at using it. She's good, but she is nowhere near as good as the types that have siphoned Hulk's powers before like Surfer.

Not only that, but I made a major misstep before when I said Maestro couldn't hurt Pulsar in energy form. He can.
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He has battled pure energy beings before and hurt them easily enough, so he should be able to hurt her as well.

Pulsar is facing not only a Hulk, but a very smart, ruthless, and stronger Hulk than usual that has a huge store of radiation in him and can hit pure energy opponents. Maestro is just too much for her.

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Winner- Maestro
 
REBUTTAL: Pulsar vs Maestro
Rebuttal Well green doesn't mean that. It could mean he's a skrull for all we know, but that's not really a big point or anything.
Considering you yourself also suggested she'd also figure that out, I think we can rule out debate on this one. Besides, Skrulls have that distinctive ridge thing to their chins.

The thing about Pulsar is that she can absorb/manipulate gamma radiation, but she has bever done it against the Hulk. She has even fough thim beofre and has still never siphoned off his radiation before (at least not that I'm aware of). Not only has she never done this before, but this is Maestro. His whole backstroy is that he is much stronger than Hulk because he has absorbed all the radiation from basically a worldwide nuclear war. He not only has much more radiation inside him than any other Hulk, but he has a bunch of different radiations inside him as well. So not only would Pulsar has to do something she has never done before (and doesn't know if she can do) in siphoning off enough energy to weaken Maestro, but she has to manipulate many different types of radiation as well. And I have only ever seen her do one at a time before. She simply will not have the time to do this. Maestro is smart an dwould know if he is being weakened and would instantly attack Pulsar to make her stop.
- I don't recall her fighting the Hulk much at all, and if she did, it would be with the Avengers. I doubt she figured she'd have to try something like this. Desperate times however, call for desperate measures. There's also no reason to assume she CAN'T pull this off, as she literally has control of every aspect of the electromagnetic spectrum, including gamma rays.
- His main source of power is still the power induced by the gamma radiation. If she can take this away, he's a lot more vulnerable to her powers.
- He'll know he's weakening, but then he'd have to find Pulsar. She can hide above the treeline, or somewhere else. If he discovers her, she can switch to another frequency almost immediately and make her escape.

I don't even think Maestro can turn into Banner anymore. he never has and is in Hulk form all teh time. not only that, but saying "it's the easiest way to defeat a Hulk" isn't saying much really. While true, it's not like everyone has done this to him before. Only the absolute best energy manipulators in Marvel have accomplished this like Silver SUrfer, and Pulsar is in no way as good at energy manipulation as Surfer.
Well, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. He wouldn't want to though. He should still have a human form. Even then, absorbing his gamma radiation should severely weaken him. And although I'll agree she isn't as proficient as the Surfer, she is one of the top energy absorbers in the MU. It's kinda her schtick.

Then why is it basically every time anyone goes into the Savage Land you see tribes? They are everywhere. This might be a big place, but it is also densely populated. And it's not like Maestro isn't used to people running away. He's caught them hundreds of times and could easily do so again. What they hid in a tree? Thunderclap all the trees for a mile. When he wants to bring people into the equation he has plenty of ways to accomplish it.
The Savage Land is much like a real rainforest. Indeed, there are tribes, but they are not easy to find. Just about any superhero that comes to Savage Land crashes there, often landing near a tribe for plot convience, or later being found by a tribe because of the gigantic crash. I really don't believe it's THAT densely populated. Maestro would have to land among a group of innocents to find them, I do think.

He doesn't need a defense against this. Not many people have been able to do this to him. If it was really that easy, then the Illuminatti would have just absorbed his energy instead of shooting him off into space. Actually his source of power is gamma radiation and many other types of radiation as well. And sice she has only ever been shown to manipulate/absorb one energy at a time, she's in a pickle. That is if she can even absorb enough energy from Maestro to weaken him which I doubt.
- Well, obviously, the shot him into space for World War Hulk. ;)
- Plot convinience. You've literally got the greatest minds on the Illuminati. Logically speaking, the Hulk would've been cured decades ago.
- I never said it would be easy, but I think she can avoid the Maestro long enough to pull it off.
- His main source of power is still the gamma radiation.

And he can destroy that dense place witha thunderclap. It isn't hard for him to do and Pulsar would then have to save everyone in that thunderclap range (which is quite large) So she will basically be throwing herself into a thunderclap which would really mess her up if not knock her out completely.
She should be able to avoid the impact of that thunderclap by switching to a different frequency on the EM spectrum. Using her quick speed (she's Quicksilver speeds without needing to transform) she can save about everyone and then take on Maestro.

Her pwer makes her a edcent opponent if she was better at using it. She's good, but she is nowhere near as good as the types that have siphoned Hulk's powers before like Surfer.
She has shown to be quite well at using them, and has used them for numerous years now. She's not as good, but then again, there is no better energy manipulator than the Surfer in the MU anyway.

Not only that, but I made a major misstep before when I said Maestro couldn't hurt Pulsar in energy form. He can.
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He has battled pure energy beings before and hurt them easily enough, so he should be able to hurt her as well.
Zzzax is not pure energy. He's pure electricity. There's a difference there. Considering she's been able to phase through things before, I don't see why this should be any different.

WINNER=PULSAR
 
REBUTTAL: Pulsar vs Maestro

Considering you yourself also suggested she'd also figure that out, I think we can rule out debate on this one. Besides, Skrulls have that distinctive ridge thing to their chins.
hence the reason I said it's not abig point

- I don't recall her fighting the Hulk much at all, and if she did, it would be with the Avengers. I doubt she figured she'd have to try something like this. Desperate times however, call for desperate measures.
She hasn't fought Hulk much, but she has fought him. And the Avengers still got their ass handed to them. Just because she was with the Avengers doesn't mean that wasn't despereate times since he beat the crap out of Vision, Thor, Wasp,Pulsar, and I think Iron Man.
There's also no reason to assume she CAN'T pull this off, as she literally has control of every aspect of the electromagnetic spectrum,
And there is no reason to believe she CAN either. She has never shown the level of control and more importantly the capacity absorb that much radiation from Maestro. Just because she is an energy manipulator doesn't mean she can do it. Marvel has hundreds of energy manipulators that couldn't do it either. Hell, Onslaught didn't siphon his powers even though he had a much greater control over the electromagnetic spectrum than Pulsar did.
- His main source of power is still the power induced by the gamma radiation. If she can take this away, he's a lot more vulnerable to her powers.
- He'll know he's weakening, but then he'd have to find Pulsar. She can hide above the treeline, or somewhere else. If he discovers her, she can switch to another frequency almost immediately and make her escape.
Yes his power is still gamma radiation, but he has a lot more of it than any other version of Hulk. He absorbed a nuclear fallout. There are two things in Pulsar's way. Can she even absorb his radiation, which is doubtful, and if she can, can she absorb enough of it. We've seen energy drainers time and time again in teh MU overload on too much energy and usually explode. The same could easily happen to Pulsar if she could drain Maestro.

Well, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. He wouldn't want to though. He should still have a human form. Even then, absorbing his gamma radiation should severely weaken him. And although I'll agree she isn't as proficient as the Surfer, she is one of the top energy absorbers in the MU. It's kinda her schtick.
It stopped being her schtick when she stopped having those powers in the first place. She has them again, but has never shown to be one of the best in the MU. At best she is a tier down form Silver Surfer (who I agree is probably the best energy manipulator). But that doesn't mean she can still do it.

The Savage Land is much like a real rainforest. Indeed, there are tribes, but they are not easy to find. Just about any superhero that comes to Savage Land crashes there, often landing near a tribe for plot convience, or later being found by a tribe because of the gigantic crash. I really don't believe it's THAT densely populated. Maestro would have to land among a group of innocents to find them, I do think.
This is where comic reality differes from our reality. If this was in teh real world, then I would agree but it isn't. Whether it is a plot device or not, the fact reamains that the vast majority of the time we see people in teh Savage Land we see tribes also. It's just like how when we fought in the underground caves people argued that there would be no light, but the comics show some form of light so there is light in the cave.

- Well, obviously, the shot him into space for World War Hulk. ;)
- Plot convinience. You've literally got the greatest minds on the Illuminati. Logically speaking, the Hulk would've been cured decades ago.
- I never said it would be easy, but I think she can avoid the Maestro long enough to pull it off.
- His main source of power is still the gamma radiation.
Once again, whether it's plot convenience or not, it still happened. And it happened because the Illuminatti couldn't think of another way to stop the Hulk, even by siphoning his radiation which I am sure they thought of. There might be a lot of illogical things about the Hulk, but they have still happened and can still happen in this battle.

She should be able to avoid the impact of that thunderclap by switching to a different frequency on the EM spectrum. Using her quick speed (she's Quicksilver speeds without needing to transform) she can save about everyone and then take on Maestro.
How does switching frequency avoid a thunderclap?

She has shown to be quite well at using them, and has used them for numerous years now. She's not as good, but then again, there is no better energy manipulator than the Surfer in the MU anyway.
And it takes the best energy manipulator in the MU to actualyl do this feat you are talking about, which isn't Pulsar.

Zzzax is not pure energy. He's pure electricity. There's a difference there. Considering she's been able to phase through things before, I don't see why this should be any different.
Electricity is energy, but that's fine. Electricity is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum which is the type of energy Pulsar turns into. Therefore Zzzax proves that he can hit things made up purely out of hte electromagnetic spectrum...like Pulsar.

And even if she is intangible, Hulk has shown that he can punch Vision when he is intangible, so why couldn't he punch Pulsar?

Winner- Maestro
 
Maestro vs. Pulsar

I forgot to put this in, so I'll add it here.

Basicalyl this fight comes down to whether the voters believe Pulsar can drain Maestro of his energy or not.

She has to be able to:

1) drain his gamma energy, which doesn't happen often anyway

2) drain enough to weaken him, but not overload herself. He holds A LOT of energy inside himslef. Much more than any other version of the Hulk.

3) While draining him make sure he doesn't beat the crap out of her even though he is very used to fighting people that can fly and are just as fast as her, and can hit her in energy form.

If Pulsar can do all these things then she has a legitimate shot at winning. If not, then she is toast.

Winner- Maestro
 
FINAL COMMENTS: Pulsar vs Maestro

I'm going to respond to your latest post since it really sums everything and I think we're really just going around in circles right now. Although I have to note: electricity is energy (this I know), but there are many forms of energy around. Logically speaking, pure energy would not be the same as pure electricity. Then again, I'm not a physics whiz so I could easily be wrong.

Basicalyl this fight comes down to whether the voters believe Pulsar can drain Maestro of his energy or not.
Basically, yes.

She has to be able to:
1) drain his gamma energy, which doesn't happen often anyway
But it HAS happened. One quick example I can think of, was during the Ages of Apocalypse (the small X-Titles event during the Twelve) where the Hulk/Spider-Man/Ghost Rider/Wolverine Fantastic Four is reformed again. Spidey uses a radiation absorber gun thingy to make Hulk return to Banner form.

2) drain enough to weaken him, but not overload herself. He holds A LOT of energy inside himslef. Much more than any other version of the Hulk.
She can fly off and release the energy safely and then return to take some more. Considering her speed, this would take a second or two at best. Overloading really isn't a problem.

3) While draining him make sure he doesn't beat the crap out of her even though he is very used to fighting people that can fly and are just as fast as her, and can hit her in energy form.
No, he can hit Zzzax. I'd also like to see when he hit Vision, since that should logically be impossible. She has speed (and won't be using that in direct combat), the land is quite dense, making it hard to jump around, and she should by all right be intangible.

WINNER=PULSAR
 
I'll just respond to a couple of parts here:
FINAL COMMENTS: Pulsar vs Maestro
She can fly off and release the energy safely and then return to take some more. Considering her speed, this would take a second or two at best. Overloading really isn't a problem.
The main problem with this is that Maestro specifically absorbs gamma radiation back into himslef. That is how he "came back to life" so to speak. He kept absorbing teh gamma radiation in the area, and off Savage Hulk until he was whole again. Whiel this took a while, he was also just a skeleton. But it does show that if she just takes away radiation and puts it into the air or wherever, that he would just reabsorb it into himself.


No, he can hit Zzzax. I'd also like to see when he hit Vision, since that should logically be impossible.
Logic and the Hulk have never really gone hand in hand though. But to be fair, I don't have a scan of it happening. I can tell you that Vision's intangibility didn't work on Hulk and then Hulk pounched him immediately afterwards, but I guess he could have changed back into solid form. I honestly don't remember and don't have the scan to prove it, I just know he fought Vision while he was intangible.

Winner- Maestro
 
Well, I don't think they have ever said what he is made of, but he has been a part of Heavy Metal and even had a major storyline about him called Heavy Metal before, so I bet he's made of metal. also very true. I actualyl didn't even think of that somehow. Thanks :woot: :cwink: .

Being made out of metal doesn't make Adaptoid magnetic. There are only a couple of magnetic metals, like iron. And these metals sometimes lose their magnetic properties when they're made into alloys. If non-magnetic Sentinels can be made to fight Magneto, then it's possible a more advanced android like the Adaptoid could be made from the same advanced materials.

Mags shields are ridiculous. Even though Adaptoid has many abilities, Magneto has fought eagainst every one of those (or at least most of them) abilities before and his shields have withstood it. And most of the time he is fighting against a team like the X-Men or Avengers so he is also used to many different types of attacks at once.

This is where I disagree. just because you have Magneto's same power doesn't in any way mean you are as powerful. Magneto has mastered every single nook and cranny of his power and has done tings nobody hough possible with that power. Adaptoid does not mimic Magneto's understanding of his powers so he won't know how to do most of the things Magneto can do.

Except that taking away his magentic abilities won't take much for Magneto. He's basically going to be fighting a metallic rookie of himself.

What this fight basically comes down to is whether or not the voters think that Adaptoid can first of all mimic Magneto's powers before he just crushes him into oblivion, and if he can, if he is actually as good at using Magneto's powers as Magneto is, especially this dumber version.

Super Adaptoid mimic abilities not experience and knowledge, two things that Magneto has more of than almost any other character in Marvel when it comes to his powers. Adaptoid will try and use Magneto's powers and be overwhelmed immediately and crushed soon thereafter.

Super-Adaptoid doesn't need experience to fight Magneto with his own powers. All it needs to do is bathe the area in magnetic energy, washing out Magneto's powers. Anytime Mags tries something, it is overloaded/canceled out (whatever the proper term would be) by the raw power and randomness of the electro-magnetic fields Adaptoid puts out. (Imagine a single voice being lost in the voices of a crowded room).

And Adaptoid doesn't need to do this for very long. Without his magnetic powers, Magnus is just a human. All Adaptoid needs is a few seconds to speed in and put Magnus down.


Super-Adaptoid wins
 
Being made out of metal doesn't make Adaptoid magnetic. There are only a couple of magnetic metals, like iron. And these metals sometimes lose their magnetic properties when they're made into alloys. If non-magnetic Sentinels can be made to fight Magneto, then it's possible a more advanced android like the Adaptoid could be made from the same advanced materials.
And whiel that has NEVER been shown with Super-Adaptoid, it doesn't matter either. Magneto can do FAR more than just manipulate metal. He controls the entire electromagnetic spectrum which can do things like send EMPs, stop the electrical charges inside of Super-Adaptoid from processing, or even make them explode. Or he could simply open up the earth and have it swallow Adaptoid whole which he has done before or actually reverse the gravity around SA and shoot him into space. He can create wormholes and even affect matter on an atomic scale. His powers go so far beyond just messing with metal it's ridiculous. Simply not having a "non magnetic metal" around (which to my knowledge has never been proven or even addressed) doesn't mean Magneto is helpless in any way.

Super-Adaptoid doesn't need experience to fight Magneto with his own powers. All it needs to do is bathe the area in magnetic energy, washing out Magneto's powers. Anytime Mags tries something, it is overloaded/canceled out (whatever the proper term would be) by the raw power and randomness of the electro-magnetic fields Adaptoid puts out. (Imagine a single voice being lost in the voices of a crowded room).
That's not gonna happen either. Magneto can simply overpower Adaptoid's copied powers with his own.

Super-Adaptoid has shown that he isn't as good at using his powers as the ones he absorbs them from. And this was when he was much more powerful and smart. He is now less powerful and dumb. He has absolutely no way of matching Magneto with his own powers. He mgiht be able to put up resistance at first, but Magento would instantly know about it and just simply put on more power or use his power in another way that Adaptoid wouldn't even think about.

Not only that, but Magneto has shown before that he can absorb any sort of electromagnetic output from anyone. So by Adaptoid using magneto's powers, Magneto can absorb them and become more powerful or just kepp his power level at a maximum. (He even did this to Strom once by absorbing her lightning).

And Adaptoid doesn't need to do this for very long. Without his magnetic powers, Magnus is just a human. All Adaptoid needs is a few seconds to speed in and put Magnus down.
Except Magneto won't in any way be without his powers. SA simply putting off magnetic waves will in no way take away Magneto's powers. Especially since Adaptoid won't know how to even use Magento's powers effectively at all.

Super-Adaptoid is a machine. An advanced machine, but still just a machine. His main power came from the cosmic cube inside of him which he no longer has. This makes him much more ordinary than before. Even advanced machines liek Adaptoid and Ultron still have the weknesses of other mahcines such as EMPs. Forutnately for Magento, he is perfectly equipped to deal with machines.


Winner- Magneto
 
*Rachel Grey - (Not sure who Hippy is going to go with in the end; but, I'd choose Rachel. While on paper Forge seems like her could make anything and everything possible to win any match, the fact remains if he was so powerful, why hasn't he been shown like that in comics before? With Rachel, her powers are more definite.)

*Magneto - (Bad, bad, bad luck of the draw for Super Adaptoid.)

*Pulsar - (Great debate. Harlekin simply swung my vote with the gamma ray argument.)

*Apocalypse - (Great match-up. I think Her's innocence would be her downfall.)
 
Magneto

Maestro

Rachel Grey- Forge is great, but he does have his limits and Rachel is just overall much more powerful.

Apocalypse- woudl be a hell of a fight to see though.
 
Rachel Grey (I got Forge to the Sweet Sixteen last season, but I think Rachel's got the better chance of moving forward)
Super-Adaptoid
Maestro (touch match. Maestro gets my vote by only a hair.)
Her
 

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