Contest Of Marvels (Season 3) - Thread 4

U.S. Agent vs Abomination

Yeah, I just got U.S.Agent and I just don't care enough about him to fight this losing battle. I can't think of a way for him to win and have way too many other matches this week to focus on than one I doubt I can win anyway.

Conceded. Congrats Powder... my second conceding to you. Feel free to return the favor any time ;)

Winner - Abomination

Heh, awesome! I was happy to get my opening debates in and then I realized I picked up Abomination from someone so I thought I had to put in an opening debate for him too.

I will see what I can do but I make no promises. :)

WINNER Abomination
 
Titan
Abomination
Hercules
Though I really feel Radioactive Man could potentially pull an upset.
Pagan
Honestly, I can actually see Harrier pulling this off maybe 1 out of 10, potentially in a rematch, but that's it. He's smart and I think he'd go in with a plan. Maybe something about getting Pagan in the water, which lessons the impact of a physical fight, and electrocuting him while wet and all that. We know Harrier's suit is built to survive the water and electricity. I don't know if it'd take out Pagan though, and it's such a small chance that I didn't feel right voting on the idea... but I at least wanted to mention it.
 
If all four of my votes advance.... there's going to be some slobber knockers in round 2! Those are some massively heavy hitters!
 
My Votes:

*Radioactive Man

*Abomination

*Punisher -
I just kept thinking, "the bigger you are, the bigger the target on you is." Frank will have no trouble seeing where Titan is...and, both characters do start out in The Raft; so, Titan needs to get out before he can smash it with his foot.

*Harrier
 
Hercules

Abomination

Titan
Almost went with Frank. If he could set up the battleground ahead of time, I think he'd have this one hands down. Even so, this will be a close match

Pagan
Some decent arguments for Harrier, though
 
Final Results:

Hercules defeats Radioactive Man = 5-2

Abomination defeats U.S. Agent = 7-0

Titan defeats Punisher = 6-1

Pagan defeats Harrier = 6-1
 
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And now that that's done. I have to say that all I saw in my head was Punisher sending a rocket via rocket launcher through Titan's abdomen. I assumed I'd lose with, as W said, the bigger they are the bigger target they present. I'm stoked I pulled that one off. Not expecting a win next round though.
 
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Bracket 7
Round 2


Match 1:

Fat Cobra (JEWISHHOBBIT) link
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vs.

Lockdown (MIDNIGHTICE) link
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Match 2:

Fantomex (WIEGEABO) link
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vs.

Talisman (JEWISHHOBBIT)link
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Bracket 8
Round 2


Match 1:

Justice-John Roger Tensen (PHAEDRUS45) link
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vs.

Human Torch (POWdER-man) link
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Match 2:

Madman (PHAEDRUS45) link
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vs.

Sleepwalker (VANGUARD07) link
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Talisman Vs Fantomex

I think Fantomex was my favorite thing to come out of Morrison's run on the X-Men. Sad I gotta take him out! But I am glad about one thing. While reading his Wiki I learned he’s due to show back up soon in the Wolverine One-Shot coming out of the Dark Reign: List event. Cool!

Powers:

Talisman

* She has the ability to tap into mystical forces and to manipulate them for a variety of effects, including levitation, astral projection, exorcism, matter manipulation, the ability to see prophetic visions, telepathy, teleportation over vast distances, opening inter-dimensional portals, animating the undead, generating wind blasts and lightning, summoning air spirits, calling forth spirit animals, creating magical shields of light, and generating blasts of magical energy.

* In addition to her own powers she also has her father's medicine bag (Shaman from Alpha Flight) which contains a pocket dimension known as the Void. From this she can pull anything she needs (according to wiki).


Fantomex

* Fantomex has an external nervous system referred to as E.V.A.

* If E.V.A. experiences pain when she is not within Fantomex, he will feel it as well. When E.V.A. is separated from his body, Fantomex feels no pain and seems able to ignore most injuries.

* Fantomex is linked to E.V.A. via telepathy. He can see through E.V.A.'s point of view and can take control of her movement. However, this requires concentration on the part of Fantomex.

* He can expertly read the body language of others and is a master at misdirection. This also allows him to create telepathic illusions that can fool some of the most powerful telepaths, including Professor X and Jean Grey.

* His mask incorporates telepathy-blocking ceramics.

* He possesses enhanced strength, speed, agility, reflexes, endurance, durability, and healing abilities. NOTE He has to go into a trance to heal quickly. He’s no Wolverine.

No blowing smoke here. Fantomex is by no means a pushover, but neither is Talisman. Fortunately, I think Talisman has more going for her and has enough of an edge to pull off the win.

Prep time will do nothing for either combatant. They won’t know anything about one another.

Location won’t do much either, though Talisman will more likely be able to find info on it, but I still don’t think it’ll help her much.

So comes the battle. How does Talisman handle Fantomex’s array of abilities:

Illusions

I think Fantomex’s biggest weapon here are his illusions. They’re powerful and telepathy can’t break them, however, there’s no mention of Magic. Also, I’m not sure what Fantomex’s illusions are made of but most are alterations of light, and Talisman can alter light as well, meaning she should be able to undo the illusions with relative ease. I doubt they’re mental since Xavier couldn’t penetrate them and Fantomex isn’t anywhere near Xavier level… not to mention Jean on the verge of Phoenix level telepathy.

Guns

Magical shields should do just fine against these, his most commonly used offensive maneuver.

E.V.A.

Eh, hard to really specify this one, it really depends on how the battle plays out. However, it’s pretty much just another character that can be hurt like anyone else. I think her lightening abilities should be enough to do a lot of damage to a nervous system.

So she can handle what Fantomex has to offer. When he first showed up in X-Men he had a lot of bullet holes in him, so he can’t dodge those… which puts a limit on his quickness and agility and all that. Lightning is much quicker than bullets so Talisman’s lightening should be able to tag him fairly easily and take him out.

Add this to magical bursts of energy, creating wind spirits, animating matter (such as the adamantium walls) and such should be enough to put Fantomex down.

Winner – Talisman
 
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Fat Cobra vs Lockdown

Okay, Lockdown has a very impressive array of powers thanks to his mechanical suit, but without the suit he’s just a normal human. I’ll give in that Cobra is facing an uphill battle, but he definitely had a good shot at winning. Here’s the thing, Fat Cobra has control of lightning and he uses it regularly. He’s very experienced, stealthy, and is a great strategist. When he and Lockdown meet he will snare Lockdown with an electrical lasso, and that really is all that’s needed for Cobra to win. Reason being is that Lockdown’s suit is mechanical in nature and large surges of electricity fries circuits and such. Fat Cobra’s lightening should basically break Lockdown’s suit with his first assault before the fight really even begins. Once that’s done it’s the highly experience martial arts expert with lightning slinging powers vs a normal joe with some good hand to hand experience. So yes, while Lockdown can hold his own in a physical fight… I doubt he can do it against someone as skilled as Fat Cobra. His speed is quicker than Iron Fist, he’s strong, he’s tactical, he’s way too much for Lockdown in a physical fight.

So once Cobra’s lightning short circuits Lockdown’s suit, it’s all downhill for Lockdown.

Winner – Fat Cobra
 
Opening Argument: John Tensen vs. Human Torch

Justice:

*John has the psionic ability to form energy in two distinct types. One hand is apparently "better" than the other at using one form-blasts from the right or "sword" hand, forcefields from the left "shield" hand.

*John's energy blasts are heat and light-based. He can cause blinding flashes, disintegrate objects etc.

*John can form forcefields of varying shapes and sizes. He has considerable control of them, including creating platforms to walk across, as a battering ram, reflecting attacks, and even sending a shield into the throat of an adversary to choke them.

Human Torch:

*Johnny can cover his body in fire, fly at supersonic speeds, project fireballs or other fire objects, manipulate existing flame, and absorb heat with some mental strain. He can generate a nova-level burst of flame, one million degrees Fahrenheit, although this usually exhausts his powers for some time. Under normal usage, he is able to maintain his flame form for up to 17 hours.


Well, neither character knows about the other; but, Torch would probably be able to find out about the location. Tensen will have an idea of what Johnny Storm is about by looking at his photo. (Mainly, flame and flight.)

Johnny doesn't know Tensen, which is the one benefit for John. If it Johnny did, I probably wouldn't give John much of a chance with this match. Why is that? It's kind of the Spider-Man syndrome...when Johnny faces a foe for the first time, he often doesn't fare very well. (Also, with Johnny being a good guy, he's just not going to go super nova, risking his foe's death.)

The key of the match up will be Tensen's force field powers. Now, Johnny does have some experience with these, as he knows Sue Storm pretty well. But, if he won't be expecting it with a first time match up, Tensen can get the surprise on Johnny, knocking him unconscious before he has a chance to learn too much.

Winner = John Tensen
 
Opening Argument: Madman vs. Sleepwalker

Madman:

*Like the Hulk, Madman has vast superhuman strength. Unlike the Hulk, Madman is unable to become stronger as he becomes angrier, but he is capable of creating significant boosts in his size, density and power, making him greatly exceed the Hulk's calm state for brief periods of time. Allegedly being at least twice as strong as the base level of the 'merged'/'professor' incarnation in this mode, and once knocked out the latter with a single punch to the head through the advantage of surprise.

Sleepwalker:

*Sleepwalker possesses super-strength and flotation-like flight. Sleepwalker's only offensive power is his warp gaze. With this vision-based power, Sleepwalker can alter the shape of physical objects and twist them to his purposes. Sleepwalker initially demonstrated this power by using it to distort a sidewalk to capture a criminal. He also used this ability once on air molecules to create a wind tunnel for faster aerial travel.


I don't think either character will know anything about the other or the location. Madman actually is merged with his intelligent professor persona; so, he's able to do research before a match...but, I'm not sure how effective it would be with Sleepwalker.

The good thing about this match for Madman is that Sleepwalker's usual style of villian is very D-list....and, those matches that were of significance was with the help of super class heroes, like Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. (If you look at his Wiki profile, it really shows how often he was teaming up with other characters...which, as we know translate into Marvel trying to garner interest in a character...but, for me shows he might not fare very well with such a super powered character, like Madman, on his own.)

Winner = Madman
 
Human Torch vs Justice

An interesting matchup but one that should favor the long-time member of the Fantastic Four.

Introduction

Everyone should know the Human Torch but I will bring up a few key points.

Thermokinesis: The Human Torch has the ability to mentally control the ambient heat energy within his immediate environment, even when he himself is not aflame. He can reduce objects' temperatures (if they are in a normal range for existing on Earth's surface) to about 30 F, raise them to several hundred degrees, or extinguish open flames. His radius of influence is about 80 feet. The heat energy he takes from the environment is absorbed into his own body. If he takes in a critical amount while he is not aflame, he will become aflame. There are unknown limits to the amount of flame he can absorb into his own body harmlessly while he is himself aflame.

Immunity to Fire & Heat: The Human Torch is unaffected by heat and flames, including his own, even when part of him is aflame and the rest of him is not. His flesh cannot be scalded or burned by any heat source whose level is below that of his maximum output.

Justice

John has the psionic ability to form energy in two distinct types. One hand is apparently "better" than the other at using one form-blasts from the right or "sword" hand, forcefields from the left "shield" hand.

John's energy blasts are heat and light-based. He can cause blinding flashes, disintegrate objects etc.

John can form forcefields of varying shapes and sizes

John is apparently unable to use both blasts and forcefields simultaneously.

It requires great energy and concentration to use these shields, and it is thus difficult for him to maintain them for an extended amount of time, or to use them over a large area


Prep-Time

This would not help either character greatly as they come from different dimensions. However, the location is where Johnny will get his advantage. from the F4's database he can learn all the information he needs about the location and possibly using it to his advantage in this matchup.

Match

Now it's important to notice that Justice's energy blasts are heat blasts which can be absorbed, manipulated and leave the Human Torch unharmed.
This can allow him to fire back with Justice's own blasts.

Another thing to note that, yes Justice has shields but it takes him great concentration and energy to form these shields and he can not hold them forever. He also has to drop his shields when he fire his blasts which gives the Human Torch the perfect opportunity to blast him back or use Justice's own blast against himself.

In the end Justice has no way of harming Human Torch while Human Torch has many options. Including pushing Justice to go into a cell and activating a power dampner, destroying walls ceilings or equipment and knocking it into Justice, or even bringing a power dampning or other weapon with him from the F4 facilities. Johnny has decades of experience facing powerful and a wide range of different types of villains. Everything from Cosmic entities, energy manipulators, tech geniuses, powerhouses, etc. He can figure out a way or trick (as he has done in so many cases) to win this match.

WINNER HUMAN TORCH
 
As I said before, Powder, I'll let our opening arguments stand as our debate, if that's good with you.

Good luck, buddy!
 
Fat Cobra
Talisman
Human Torch
Sleepwalker
For the third time this week I'm voting for an undebated character. Madman's tough but I just get the feeling that Sleepwalker would win. Phaed's debate didn't swing me toward him and the more I tried to type Madman the more I doubted. I just see Sleepwalker's abilities winning this for him. It's a shame it wasn't debated.
 

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