BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

[Marvin]

No, I think Goyer should just stop talking, period. But I'll settle for him not writing, that would probably be better.

And Goye's script was rewritten because I'm sure the criticism about his awful MOS work didn't fall on deaf ears at WB....mostly because it didn't make the money they wanted. When money's involved WB tends to get a move on...and one of those moves might be taking some power away from their "Kevin Feige".

Alot of wishful thinking.
But whatever get's the detractors on board I say have at it.

 

[EssayM]

So just to clarify...when guys like Avi Arad or Tom Rothman make insulting statements about comic book characters and their fans, people rightly call them out for acting like arrogant *****ebags.

But David Goyer disses a couple of popular characters he clearly doesn't understand at all, and even trots out the old canard that comic book fans are sexually repressed and can't get laid, thereby insulting the audience that is essentially the only reason anyone cares about him, we're supposed to give him a pass...why? Because he co-wrote TDK? Because he was "joking"?

Am I really that out of line being pissed at him for those comments?

 

[The Guard]

Yes. And you're displaying a lack of understanding about the context and even the intention of his comments.

He was clearly joking, and being sort of tongue in cheek.

 

[Mr_336]

So just to clarify...when guys like Avi Arad or Tom Rothman make insulting statements about comic book characters and their fans, people rightly call them out for acting like arrogant *****ebags.

But David Goyer disses a couple of popular characters he clearly doesn't understand at all, and even trots out the old canard that comic book fans are sexually repressed and can't get laid, thereby insulting the audience that is essentially the only reason anyone cares about him, we're supposed to give him a pass...why? Because he co-wrote TDK? Because he was "joking"?

Am I really that out of line being pissed at him for those comments?

THIS, damn it!

 

[Mr_336]

Yes. And you're displaying a lack of understanding about the context and even the intention of his comments.

He was clearly joking, and being sort of tongue in cheek.

Tongue in cheek in a Blade: Trinity way?

 

[goh78]

Who cares? Just because he has written a few comics-related scripts doesn't mean he's required to love every comic book character ever created. She-Hulk is a stupid character. Move on.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I want Avi gone from Spidey films like I want Goyer away from DC films.

Both are ruining the characters.

 

[Claude_Speed]

Reception for movies written by Goyer alone at RT:

The Crow: City of Angels: 12%
Blade: 55%
Blade II: 59%
Blade Trinity: 26%
Jumper: 16%
The Unborn: 11%
MOS: 56%

As you can see, Goyer is mediocre at best. The fact that Warner are trusting DC films to him is beyond me.

IMO Warner should just get rid of this guy if they don't want to ruin DC films. Him writting MOS was a terrible mistake. The least control he has on BvS, the better. I'm not even sold with Terrio because he's only written one film, but i rather him over Goyer without a doubt.

 

[The Endless]

Who cares? Just because he has written a few comics-related scripts doesn't mean he's required to love every comic book character ever created. She-Hulk is a stupid character. Move on.

She Hulk has actually had some great comics.

I'm beginning to suspect that even if Goyer or anyone related to MoS tortured someone to death The Guard and Marvin would still find ways to defend and apologise for them.

 

[Kevin Smith]

So just to clarify...when guys like Avi Arad or Tom Rothman make insulting statements about comic book characters and their fans, people rightly call them out for acting like arrogant *****ebags.

But David Goyer disses a couple of popular characters he clearly doesn't understand at all, and even trots out the old canard that comic book fans are sexually repressed and can't get laid, thereby insulting the audience that is essentially the only reason anyone cares about him, we're supposed to give him a pass...why? Because he co-wrote TDK? Because he was "joking"?

Am I really that out of line being pissed at him for those comments?

Exactly.

 

[Kevin Smith]

That he thinks that was "funny" says much about him. His sense of humor sucks to say the least.

But I guess we already knew that for a while .. "I just think he's kinda hot".

 

[Kevin Smith]

Some people will play devil's advocate for Goyer no matter what, maybe just because of the backlash against him, who knows.

He and Singer should get a room.

 

[roach]

She Hulk has actually had some great comics.

I'm beginning to suspect that even if Goyer or anyone related to MoS tortured someone to death The Guard and Marvin would still find ways to defend and apologise for them.

and some people would still hate Goyer if he went back in time and killed Hitler.

 

[Kevin Smith]

and some people would still hate Goyer if he went back in time and killed Hitler.

Knew this was coming hahaha...

At this point though, between torturing someone to death and going back in time and killing Hitler, Goyer is much more the former than the latter...but everyone's entitled to have their own "hero" here. Not sure what they see in Goyer but some people are just going to dig the guy no matter what.

 

[The Endless]

I don't hate the guy. He was partly responsible for the awesome re-imagining of Blade, which is still one of my favourite CBMs.

But it baffles me when i see people defending him no matter what. His comments, even if there were a joke, are ignorant and insulting. It's as simple as that.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I don't hate the guy. He was partly responsible for the awesome re-imagining of Blade, which is still one of my favourite CBMs.

But it baffles me when i see people defending him no matter what. His comments, even if there were a joke, are ignorant and insulting. It's as simple as that.

Yes.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't hate the guy. He was partly responsible for the awesome re-imagining of Blade, which is still one of my favourite CBMs.

But it baffles me when i see people defending him no matter what. His comments, even if there were a joke, are ignorant and insulting. It's as simple as that.

Yeah, I'm grateful for some of the work Goyer has done, the TDK films would've suffered greatly without him imo. But these comments were in poor taste to say the least, and certainly not what you want to hear from someone involved with a friggin JL film. Kinda hope they cut ties with Goyer since Snyder is familiar with all the characters anyways Goyer's kind superfluous at this point.

 

[roach]

I don't hate the guy. He was partly responsible for the awesome re-imagining of Blade, which is still one of my favourite CBMs.

But it baffles me when i see people defending him no matter what. His comments, even if there were a joke, are ignorant and insulting. It's as simple as that.

I defend the comments because I listened to the pod cast and saw that it was a joke...just like the writers of Cap 2 making fun of The Hulk. It was all a joke and people are taking it seriously.

so listen to the podcast...and if you are still angry about his comments...ok

 

[The Endless]

I did listen to the podcast. And i'm not angry. Just think the guy is a bit of a nobhead.

If i make fun of a kid with down syndrome and say "oh i was only joking!" would that make it ok?

Na, it wouldn't.

 

[Matt.S99]

Wow. I can't believe so many people are actually defending him.
Just because he was "joking"? Joking doesn't make it any better. What he said was stupid and rude.
The dude basically has a career because of comics.

And she-hulk is not a stupid character.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ THIS.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but Goyer is like George Lucas. He was the one keeping Spielberg grounded and more filmic (while Goyer was the closest thing to a consistent fan the TDK trilogy had, though Jonah seemed to really care. Also, it seems like he took Batman elements that couldn't make it in the TDK trilogy for POI.)

So when his head got big, he turned on the fanbase and brought Snyder down with him. Kind of like with KOTCS.

As much as Snyder gets a lot of hate, he was able to recreate the fanaticism of Miller and grittiness (albeit in a more OTT manner) of Moore.

I do think that with a better writer, Snyder will do a stronger job. A lot of the flaws in MOS had to do with the way the plots and characters were written.

 

[EssayM]

Yes. And you're displaying a lack of understanding about the context and even the intention of his comments.

He was clearly joking, and being sort of tongue in cheek.

The joking defense excuses some of his comments, but not all of them. I get that he was being asked about rebooting characters, and that most of his "suggestions" were just him goofing off and not his actual plans for the character.

But then you get a comment like this:

"How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?...How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?"

Now, that's obviously a joke (albeit kind of a lame one), but if you heard a friend or some random guy on the street say something like that, wouldn't you assume that that person didn't much like comic book fans?

And keep in mind, David Goyer is confirmed to be writing the upcoming Justice League movie....which will most likely feature Martian Manhunter.

So my question is, should we really Goyer a pass on this just because of his work on TDKT and Blade and such?

 

[Mr_336]

 

[Matt.S99]

^ THIS.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but Goyer is like George Lucas. He was the one keeping Spielberg grounded and more filmic (while Goyer was the closest thing to a consistent fan the TDK trilogy had, though Jonah seemed to really care. Also, it seems like he took Batman elements that couldn't make it in the TDK trilogy for POI.)

So when his head got big, he turned on the fanbase and brought Snyder down with him. Kind of like with KOTCS.

As much as Snyder gets a lot of hate, he was able to recreate the fanaticism of Miller and grittiness (albeit in a more OTT manner) of Moore.

I do think that with a better writer, Snyder will do a stronger job. A lot of the flaws in MOS had to do with the way the plots and characters were written.

Also, I'm not totally well versed in the writing aspect of these films, but every time Goyer is writing, I swear there's always news that someone else is rewriting the script. So, that's saying a lot ...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Hype friendly version

So yeah, watch out. Keep the language PG or C-Lee will go to town