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This is all sound logic, especially with "Edge of Tomorrow" and "A Million Ways to Die in the West". I am honestly not sure what is going to happen with Maleficent. I can see it making anywhere between $50m and $80m. And while everything up until HTTYD 2 will not open to "huge" numbers I could see a combined effect. Only time will tell. Though I do expect better legs from DoFP then TASM 2 or Godzilla.


This deserves a standing ovation.

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Yes, Maleficent is a real wild card to me. And thanks for the kind words! :)
 
On the contrary, I think Cap 2 is more bold than DOFP by implying that the drone program of the U.S. is an infringement on the rights of the citizens, and BW's blatant release of all the classified information is a not-so-subtle reference at NSA and Snowe. DOFP may be saying that humans wanted mutants killed, but they generalized it in such a way that they weren't really pointing a finger at anybody, and besides there is no real-world allegory to be made since there isn't a section of the population that the majority of people wanted dead. Homosexuals and minority groups may be oppressed, but they are not hunted like mutants were in DOFP.

I just do not think it takes the consequences or ideas that it is toying with seriously enough for it to matter.

Black Widow is not Snowden, because there are no consequences to her actions. She releases the documents and gives a "You can't handle the truth" flippant remark to Congress. Except instead of arresting her for treason (which is what would have happened if Snowden stayed in this country and what happened to Jack Nicholson in the above comparison), she just struts out like a BAMF with no retribution. It is also implied that SHIELD isn't done. Nick Fury is just taking it underground and it will be secretive again...kind of like how it was presented in Iron Man and Iron Man 2, before it became an international superstar in The Avengers.

And again, it skirts the tough questions, because it says that the wiretapping and drone killing is part of a secret foreign plan implemented by evil Germans. It excuses American actions, because in the film's universe it is done by through-and-through cartoon bad guys whose motivation is world domination. They are justly eliminated by the end of the picture and the American government is cleared of suspicion and wrong doing.

I like Cap. But while the Russos may have wanted to ask big questions, they definitely pulled punches. Again, everything they suggested (well save for the drones) was in The Dark Knight, except it WAS Batman who was doing the wiretapping, not to mention the torture, and the film ends semi-triumphantly when the hero only beats the villain by covering up the crimes of a disgraced politician in a criminal conspiracy with authority. And this has very negative consequences in the sequel.

The Winter Soldier does not dare to consider the consequences and depths of these ideas like that because it is more a pure blockbuster with some real world comparisons. But no more than when a Pierce Brosnan Bond movie had a villain clearly modeled on Rupert Murdoch. That did not mean it was seriously considering the dangers of Fox News in that movie.
 
In order to keep Agents of shield on air it quickly has shield reformed so no real fallout
from WS.
 
I just do not think it takes the consequences or ideas that it is toying with seriously enough for it to matter.

Black Widow is not Snowden, because there are no consequences to her actions. She releases the documents and gives a "You can't handle the truth" flippant remark to Congress. Except instead of arresting her for treason (which is what would have happened if Snowden stayed in this country and what happened to Jack Nicholson in the above comparison), she just struts out like a BAMF with no retribution. It is also implied that SHIELD isn't done. Nick Fury is just taking it underground and it will be secretive again...kind of like how it was presented in Iron Man and Iron Man 2, before it became an international superstar in The Avengers.

She challenges them to arrest her. They won't because she saved the world once. It's saying that people like her are a necessary evil.

And again, it skirts the tough questions, because it says that the wiretapping and drone killing is part of a secret foreign plan implemented by evil Germans. It excuses American actions, because in the film's universe it is done by through-and-through cartoon bad guys whose motivation is world domination. They are justly eliminated by the end of the picture and the American government is cleared of suspicion and wrong doing.

I didn't take it like that. Certain individuals in the US government such as Stern are with Hydra. And obviously Pierce. They are not evil Germans are they? In the case of Pierce through his experiences he started to believe Hydra were right. Humanity can't be trusted to maintain peace on it's own. Sometimes you have to do a little evil for the greater good.

It's saying that what if all these far right guys in US politics like your Cheney's saw what Hydra was doing as the greater good and willingly joined them. Again, it's not just a bunch of evil Germans infiltrating the US power structure. It's people in the US power structure agreeing with Hydra and pushing their cause forward in secret.

I like Cap. But while the Russos may have wanted to ask big questions, they definitely pulled punches. Again, everything they suggested (well save for the drones) was in The Dark Knight, except it WAS Batman who was doing the wiretapping, not to mention the torture, and the film ends semi-triumphantly when the hero only beats the villain by covering up the crimes of a disgraced politician in a criminal conspiracy with authority. And this has very negative consequences in the sequel.

I like the ending of TDK. But at the end of the day, why not just pin Dent's murders on the Joker? They are already lying about Dent anyway. It was a bit contrived.

And i don't think it went any deeper on it's themes than TWS. It had a scene of torture where Batman is beating Joker to get info. Joker lies. It's saying torture doesn't necessarily work.

Then it has a scene of Batman creating a device to spy on people.

That's it.

The Winter Soldier does not dare to consider the consequences and depths of these ideas like that because it is more a pure blockbuster with some real world comparisons. But no more than when a Pierce Brosnan Bond movie had a villain clearly modeled on Rupert Murdoch. That did not mean it was seriously considering the dangers of Fox News in that movie.

lol it took it a lot more serious than Tomorrow Never Dies.
 
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In order to keep Agents of shield on air it quickly has shield reformed so no real fallout
from WS.

SHIELD isn't reformed. Fury has just tasked Coulson to rebuild it from the ground up in the way they both envisioned SHIELD to be, but at the moment SHIELD as a global security agency doesn't exist. Hydra is still out there and all the secrets Widow leaked are out there.
 
well from what i had heard shield was reformed in season finale.If that was bad information then I was wrong about not much fallout i gave up on show early and even though i liked WS I have no desire to go back the first time i had that reaction to a joss whedon TV show.

WS should really be called conspiracy thriller and not political thriller.A olitical thriller involves politics or people at white house.Even though I am democrat and voted for obama twice a film critizing his white house for drones and NSA surveilance would be totaly fair critism.

The stuff about Nixon In DOFP is more political thriller to me.
 
well from what i had heard shield was reformed in season finale.If that was bad information then I was wrong about not much fallout i gave up on show early and even though i liked WS I have no desire to go back the first time i had that reaction to a joss whedon TV show.

WS should really be called conspiracy thriller and not political thriller.A olitical thriller involves politics or people at white house.Even though I am democrat and voted for obama twice a film critizing his white house for drones and NSA surveilance would be totaly fair critism.

The stuff about Nixon In DOFP is more political thriller to me.

How is it not political? It's lead villain is basically Dick Cheney. The film supposes that the likes of Cheney have joined a secret organisation like Hydra because they share the same views.
 
If these new numbers are true hopefully they indicate its gonna hold better than usual.
 
I'm glad the 3Day was a little better but I still wish it would have cracked 100mil. Oh well I'm hoping for a 2.6-2.7multiplier now. I know this is kinda mean but as long as it beats TASM 2 domestically (and hopefully internationally) I will be happy. Maybe that will cause Sony to reivaluate that franchise.

They seemed to already do that with ASM2. ASM appealed to a post TDK crowd and ASM2 was most definitely appealing to a post Avengers crowd. They're just jumping on what's hot at the moment.

I hope their plans burn to the ground. They don't deserve to make these movies anymore.
 
T"Challa;28894681 said:
Yeah, as great as DOFP was, i think its time for the franchise to be less heavy handed about the whole racism/bigotry thing. The X-Men are more than just an allegory.

People just don't like being overly preached to and Singer isn't very subtle about the messages he's trying to send.

That, along with too many characters shown who are too poorly developed(if at all) and the failure or lack of courage and confidence to think bigger with it's stories have been the main things holding this franchise back.
 
She challenges them to arrest her. They won't because she saved the world once. It's saying that people like her are a necessary evil.



I didn't take it like that. Certain individuals in the US government such as Stern are with Hydra. And obviously Pierce. They are not evil Germans are they? In the case of Pierce through his experiences he started to believe Hydra were right. Humanity can't be trusted to maintain peace on it's own. Sometimes you have to do a little evil for the greater good.

It's saying that what if all these far right guys in US politics like your Cheney's saw what Hydra was doing as the greater good and willingly joined them. Again, it's not just a bunch of evil Germans infiltrating the US power structure. It's people in the US power structure agreeing with Hydra and pushing their cause forward in secret.



I like the ending of TDK. But at the end of the day, why not just pin Dent's murders on the Joker? They are already lying about Dent anyway. It was a bit contrived.

And i don't think it went any deeper on it's themes than TWS. It had a scene of torture where Batman is beating Joker to get info. Joker lies. It's saying torture doesn't necessarily work.

Then it has a scene of Batman creating a device to spy on people.

That's it.



lol it took it a lot more serious than Tomorrow Never Dies.

Pierce and Stern--the latter of whom is played by comedian Garry Shandling to comedic effect--are American leaders committing wrong. But they are not presented as simply war hawks or neo-conservatives who read too much Bill Kristol. They're depicted as part of an evil conspiracy doing evil things in order to bring about world domination as enacted by a splinter cell of NAZIS who went Dr. Strangelove when inside the U.S. government.

I just do not see that as seriously dealing with it, because they are clearly evil men doing evil things who can be stopped and punished.

In The Dark Knight the questionable and immoral actions are being executed by Batman, Jim Gordon and Harvey Dent. Two of them end the film as heroes, but that does not mean what they do is right. In fact, it leaves them both bitter in TDKR and bites them in the ass in the long-run. That is a more nuanced and challenging thing to audiences, because it is purportedly good men doing morally repugnant things that might have some positive ramifications (which the WSJ's editorial page patted itself on the back for in 2008) and some very, very bad ones overall.

I am not saying Captain America has to tackle those issues to be a good movie. The Winter Soldier is a very good movie. I just think it treated its issues like window dressing. I imagine if the Russos had more freedom, Pierce would not have been depicted as Hydra. In fact, Hydra might not have even been in the movie. Then it would have been much more interesting.
 
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Holding up well in Korea. Had a 70% drop from Sunday to Monday grosses, while ASM2 and TWS both dropped 80%.
 
Although Maleficent is a wild card like a lot of you mentioned, if we take the perspective that it will be a big hit, it is still not the sort of film that will appeal to the same audience as DOFP. I think it will appeal more to families with young girls than families with young boys. Also, X-men is obviously more of an adult film with is critically acclaimed, and thus families with parents that don't want to be put through the experience of watching a completely Disney-fied film, will likely choose DOFP over Maleficent.

Given this fact, and the overall high quality of DOFP (which is solidified by audience and professional critical reactions) I think it will do exceptional numbers next week and may even remain at number 1. That's my prediction.
 
Pierce and Stern--the latter of whom is played by comedian Garry Shandling to comedic effect--are American leaders committing wrong. But they are not presented as simply war hawks or neo-conservatives who read too much Bill Kristol. They're depicted as part of an evil conspiracy doing evil things in order to bring about world domination as enacted by a splinter cell of NAZIS who went Dr. Strangelove when inside the U.S. government.

I just do not see that as seriously dealing with it, because they are clearly evil men doing evil things who can be stopped and punished.

In The Dark Knight the questionable and immoral actions are being executed by Batman, Jim Gordon and Harvey Dent. Two of them end the film as heroes, but that does not mean what they do is right. In fact, it leaves them both bitter in TDKR and bites them in the ass in the long-run. That is a more nuanced and challenging thing to audiences, because it is purportedly good men doing morally repugnant things that might have some positive ramifications (which the WSJ's editorial page patted itself on the back for in 2008) and some very, very bad ones overall.

I am not saying Captain America has to tackle those issues to be a good movie. The Winter Soldier is a very good movie. I just think it treated its issues like window dressing. I imagine if the Russos had more freedom, Pierce would not have been depicted as Hydra. In fact, Hydra might not have even been in the movie. Then it would have been much more interesting.

Guess what, it's a superhero movie. There are going to be villains, it's kind of a package deal. Basically painting conservatives, one side of the political spectrum, as the villains would have been just as cliché and pissed off a lot of people. That's been done before as well.
 
I think if we take into account that parents go with their children to see Disney movies, and many of those fathers love Batman and co..... Id say in some sense its part of the same audience.
Nolan sequels clearly had many fathers in theatres, so all of them could easily watch X-Men too, why not?
 
I hope Maleficent will flop. I'm sure visually movie will be stunning but story and plot will be pale and boring. And even Jolie cannot save it.

DOFP for president of Boxoffice :D
 
I hope Maleficent will flop. I'm sure visually movie will be stunning but story and plot will be pale and boring. And even Jolie cannot save it

Sounds like a Transformers film :cwink:
 
well If people want X-Men to have good box office they better hope maleficent doesn't do
so well.

Still I am going with what other more knowledge people think it will be this year's Snow white and huntsman grossing total domesticly between 120 and 150 million.
 
T"Challa;28894681 said:
Yeah, as great as DOFP was, i think its time for the franchise to be less heavy handed about the whole racism/bigotry thing. The X-Men are more than just an allegory.

People just don't like being overly preached to and Singer isn't very subtle about the messages he's trying to send.

Racism was barelly the main theme in DoFP actually, it was more about how conflict after conflict only lead into more death, or "nobody's born evil". Hell, the film actually had more about self improvement and courage than dealing with racism, it's wasn0t heavy handed in the film, it was barelly there.

That, along with too many characters shown who are too poorly developed(if at all) and the failure or lack of courage and confidence to think bigger with it's stories have been the main things holding this franchise back.

X-Men: Days of Future Past is exactly that, the franchise shifting focus from Wolverine himself and into the other mutants. Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Wolverine, Beast, Quicksilver, Bolivar Trask and William Stryker, these were the main characters of the story, and they all had the oportunity to shine.

And about the bigger stories, once again, Days of Future Past has been the first step, it was very epic, both emotionally and thematically, now the next film is going to deal with Apocalypse, the franchise is pretty much at the point in the 70s-80s when the comics were getting bolder and presenting higher concepts, and unlike most other film series, they're doing it in a single grand movie, instead of dividing the story into 2 movies like most other studios.
 
The thing is, I have no idea why the series has been front loaded. It made sense with X3 and Origins, but outside of that you'd expect better legs. Perhaps the X-Men just aren't as popular as you'd think.

I like a prediction of $800-900m if the next film is as well received as this one.

You want legs, then the film makers are going to have to start gearing these movies with young women and teen girls as the audience in mind, because most movies with legs, have something for that demographic. It don't take much, just a couple of cute hot guys showing off their chests is all that will be needed. Unfortunately, Wolvie just isn't enough anymore. I'd say they might want to consider sexing up Fassbender and McAvoy a bit more in the next movie to get some extra legs for the franchise.
 
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