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So in everyone's opinion how much does Days of Future Past have to make for it to be a great success? 800 million? 1 billion?

Because if that's the case then if we do get X-Men: Apocalypse then fox may want to budget that
around 160 million. It would much easier to make a profit.

What do fox want out the x-men franchise or to get more specific how much money do they want?

Can a X-men movie even make anywhere near a billion dollars?

What does the franchise have to do to reach that point?

Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight and Iron Man 3 all of them reach that point and more.
But if the X-Men franchise is suffering fatigue, then should Fox even continue making more movies if the chances of x-men movie making that much are very low.
 
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I just disagree if you think they didn't make money from X3. There are other factors in earning their budget back. Fox has a lot more films that underperformed at the box-office than X3. A lot of them didn't even meet their budget in U.S. gross alone. If you think every studio has to make 3 times their budget then Fox and other studios would be bankrupt at this point.
 
Overseas markets don't seem to care about quality when it comes to franchise sequels. Even when they get panned and their US audience starts declining they manage to keep getting bigger there like Pirates 4 & Transformers 3.

I think it has more to do with the influece of film critics in American audiences than the actual quality of a film.
 
For some reason X-Men movies have never performed up to their critical reception.
 
So in everyone's opinion how much does Days of Future Past have to make for it to be a great success? 800 million? 1 billion?

Because if that's the case then if we do get X-Men: Apocalypse then fox may want to budget that
around 160 million. It would much easier to make a profit.

What do fox want out the x-men franchise or to get more specific how much money do they want?

Can a X-men movie even make anywhere near a billion dollars?

What does the franchise have to do to reach that point?

Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight and Iron Man 3 all of them reach that point and more.
But if the X-Men franchise is suffering fatigue, then should Fox even continue making more movies if the chances of x-men movie making that much are very low.

I'm not really clamoring for a X-Men movie to make 1 billion dollars for film, it would be great if it happened, but its not really a measure of success for me.
 
I just disagree if you think they didn't make money from X3. There are other factors in earning their budget back. Fox has a lot more films that underperformed at the box-office than X3. A lot of them didn't even meet their budget in U.S. gross alone. If you think every studio has to make 3 times their budget then Fox and other studios would be bankrupt at this point.
I understand that you disagree, but that doesn't change the numbers. The Last Stand was hoping to do huge. Because of all the problems with production the budget ballooned. We probably don't even know the real cost. An example would be Titanic and Avatar, which both film's reported budgets weren't close to what was actually spent to finish them. But that was ok, because they made insane money. Still X3 didn't make enough to cover what they had already spent in making the film. In 2006 the international rights situation was way worse then it is now. A lot of the time the rights were sold, because unless you made crazy money, it wasn't worth the distribution cost. 25 cents on the dollar, not good.

I understand the other revenue streams. Merch, home media, tv rights. But X3 cost what, over $400m when you take into account marketing, distribution, licensing, and the actual manufacture of their home media. These are things we all ignore, which is fair because most don't know about them. Also a good amount of that was probably covered by partners. But still, they were splitting all this revenue with Marvel, with none of the expense. Fox may have squeezed something out in the end, but not much. It is why X4 didn't happen.
 
It is why X4 didn't happen.

Ummm no. The producers were already talking about doing an Origins film even before X3 was released and I remember the week X3 was released, E! News channel, reported the studio was planning a bunch of spin-offs before they make a X4. Which seems to be the same since the OT cast did came back after a couple of spin-offs.

X-4 not happening has nothing to do with X3's WW gross.

And if you what you said is really true that $550 million worldwide isn't enough and it will be considered as a failure, then I'm surprised, that there's so many on-going franchises right now.
 
DOFP made "De Spits" (free newspaper found at every station in the country) and several other major newspapers in the Netherlands by breaking some kind of record and earning €728.000 in 4 days. That may not sound like much, but don't forget that this is a very small country. ;)
 
And if you what you said is really true that $550 million worldwide isn't enough and it will be considered as a failure, then I'm surprised, that there's so many on-going franchises right now.

Which of these franchises had DOFP budget? ASM 2 is sort of getting considered a failure and it has grossed 673 million so far.
 
Ummm no. The producers were already talking about doing an Origins film even before X3 was released and I remember the week X3 was released, E! News channel, reported the studio was planning a bunch of spin-offs before they make a X4. Which seems to be the same since the OT cast did came back after a couple of spin-offs.

X-4 not happening has nothing to do with X3's WW gross.

And if you what you said is really true that $550 million worldwide isn't enough and it will be considered as a failure, then I'm surprised, that there's so many on-going franchises right now.
They teased X4. They could have done Origins and X4. The fact that they only went spinoff, with Wolverine no less, was for a reason. That First Class came about, was for a reason. Most likely, they couldn't justify the investment considering box office. Remember, the very next year Spider-Man cleaned up to the tune of nearly $900m. X4 wouldn't have cost them less then X3, it would have cost them more. Possibly a lot more. With Origins they only had to pay Jackman, who was already the star anyway.

As to the $550m, completely depends on the budget and the purpose of the film. When you spend $200m on just the budget, you are gambling. Budgets are getting out of control. It is why Spielberg has been talking about the implosion of Hollywood, though I don't necessarily agree with his view on it. But who am I to say, he is Steven Spielberg. :D

A movie like Frozen or Despicable Me are huge successes, not just on their Box Office. Those are billion dollar merchandise franchises. Same with the Avengers. That is what studios are gambling for. Every time a kid walks into a Disney park, chances are they are walking out with something Frozen themed.

I don't know what X-Men the film franchise really does or Fox on that front. What would be the huge uptick, comics and figures? And how much of that goes to Marvel? All in terms of the comics. Also, while I definitely have enjoyed the last three films, they aren't heavily hitters, so I don't really think they are cleaning up with the merch, especially not in comparison.
 
Which of these franchises had DOFP budget? ASM 2 is sort of getting considered a failure and it has grossed 673 million so far.

DOFP's budget is not similar to Star Trek Into Darkness but it had 190 million budget and earned 467 million worldwide and that film is getting a sequel.

So if DOFP gets $550 million worldwide and thats a failure, I guess Star Trek Into Darkness' WW gross is also a failure.

They teased X4. They could have done Origins and X4. The fact that they only went spinoff, with Wolverine no less, was for a reason. That First Class came about, was for a reason. Most likely, they couldn't justify the investment considering box office. Remember, the very next year Spider-Man cleaned up to the tune of nearly $900m. X4 wouldn't have cost them less then X3, it would have cost them more. Possibly a lot more. With Origins they only had to pay Jackman, who was already the star anyway.

As to the $550m, completely depends on the budget and the purpose of the film. When you spend $200m on just the budget, you are gambling. Budgets are getting out of control. It is why Spielberg has been talking about the implosion of Hollywood, though I don't necessarily agree with his view on it. But who am I to say, he is Steven Spielberg. :D

A movie like Frozen or Despicable Me are huge successes, not just on their Box Office. Those are billion dollar merchandise franchises. Same with the Avengers. That is what studios are gambling for. Every time a kid walks into a Disney park, chances are they are walking out with something Frozen themed.

I don't know what X-Men the film franchise really does or Fox on that front. What would be the huge uptick, comics and figures? And how much of that goes to Marvel? All in terms of the comics. Also, while I definitely have enjoyed the last three films, they aren't heavily hitters, so I don't really think they are cleaning up with the merch, especially not in comparison.

Tease X4? What? When? And with DOFp being released, I think we can now consider that as X4. And you don't have to compare this to Frozen and Despicable Me just to satisfy its success. None of the X-films are considered as a flop/box-office disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

Also I didn't say this franchise is a mega franchise and one of the biggest. Its doing well on its own, despite not hitting the billion mark and DOFP being the only X-film so far to hit the $500 million mark.
 
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DOFP's budget is not similar to Star Trek Into Darkness but it had 190 million budget and earned 467 million worldwide and that film is getting a sequel.

So if DOFP gets $550 million worldwide and thats a failure, I guess Star Trek Into Darkness' WW gross is also a failure.
Do you follow other films' box office discussions? Star Trek is getting a sequel because Paramount has very little outside of Transformers and MI. But SITD went badly. It was very much a failure, as it lost a lot of the first films domestic gross, while not expanding the OS market nearly enough to make up for the difference for a higher budget film.

Basically, they saw SITD as their TDK. Star Trek was the movie that was suppose to launch a sequel that could launch Star Trek the same way Batman Begins launched Batman to a billion dollars.

Tease X4? What? When? And with DOFp being released, I think we can now consider that as X4. And you don't have to compare this to Frozen and Despicable Me just to satisfy its success. None of the X-films are considered as a flop/box-office disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

Also I didn't say this franchise is a mega franchise and one of the biggest. Its doing well on its own, despite not hitting the billion mark and DOFP being the only X-film so far to hit the $500 million mark.
The last scene of the film was a tease. :D

I wouldn't say DoFP is X4. It is clearly a First Class sequel imo, down to the last scene being First Class related. The vast majority of the film is with the First Class crew.

I bring up Frozen and DM as an example of why those films are such big successes. It isn't simply their box office, it is the cash they make else where. X-Men doesn't do that kind of box office, and they don't have the merch to parlay that into "Everything is Awesome" territory.

You seem obsessed with the figure of $500m, but lets be real for a second. That is 3D and inflation doing its job.
 
The X-Men franchise has been in a fragile state since X-3 followed by the terrible Origins movie. When First Class and The Wolverine films came, they were mostly smaller high budgeted action films in the same style of G.I.Joe and Star Trek, Days of Future Past will definitelly help the franchise grow, but in order to let it become a heavy hitter again and solidify its place among he general audience, you need in least 1 or 2 more movies of the same quality, i hope Apocalypse doesn't disapoint.
 
A list of records DOFP has broken on its opening weekend:

http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2014-05-25-global-x-men-days-of-future-past-breaks-avatar-record-as-foxs-biggest-overseas-debut-of-all-time

Market Breakdown

China
$37.7M
- Only 5% behind Titanic 3D bow.

UK
$14.2M
Biggest X-Men opening ever

South Korea
$13.5M
- Fox's biggest opening of all time (beating Avatar)

France
$10.6M
- Biggest MPA opening in 2014

Mexico
$10.4M
- Fox's second highest opening ever (only behind Ice Age 4)

Russia
$10.3M
- Biggest X-Men opening ever

Brazil
$8.0MŸ
- Fox's biggest opening of all time (beating RIO 2)!

Australia
$7.7M
- Biggest Industry opening in 2014
- Biggest X-Men opening ever

Germany
$4.7M
- #1 in the market, taking nearly 50% market share

Philippines
$3.9M
- Fox's biggest opening of all time

India
$3.9M
- Fox's biggest opening of all time
 
But X3 cost what, over $400m when you take into account marketing, distribution, licensing, and the actual manufacture of their home media. These are things we all ignore, which is fair because most don't know about them. Also a good amount of that was probably covered by partners. But still, they were splitting all this revenue with Marvel, with none of the expense. Fox may have squeezed something out in the end, but not much. It is why X4 didn't happen.

Not really Darth. Before X3 even came out, the studio and producers were planning spin-offs and prequels. That's because the movies were becoming expensive and also difficult to get all the cast together. I'm sure the production problems of X3 didn't help - not being able to get a deal with Singer, Singer then leaving, Vaughn then leaving, etc. The franchise was becoming trickier to manage, so they wanted to go smaller and less expensive.

Of course, this was all before Marvel Studios began releasing movies. Fox and Sony were the comic book movie kings at this time. And, sadly, studio bosses didn't really see the huge long-term value of the 50 years of X-Men comics that Fox had rights to. They just wanted to wrap X-Men up in three films with a nice, neat trilogy then explore some spin-offs. It turned out to be a very unwise way of thinking.

It's pretty staggering that a studio would have film rights to 50 years of comics (X-Men and F4 both appeared in the early 60s) and not exploit that to full potential by mapping out a franchise far into the future. How many other times does a studio have half a century of classic stories in its grasp?! Studios are always looking for franchises - and trying to make films into franchises - and yet in this case they didn't see what they had right in front of them. I guess 50 years of comics are not as easy to comprehend as one series of books (like Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, LoTR).

However, they are now waking up to the idea. Thank God.
 
Time Magazine doesn't think much of the opening numbers:

X-Men: Days of Future Past and the Elusive $100 Million Movie Opening
Richard Corliss

$90 million-plus isn't bad for an all-star reunion of the X-Men freaks and geeks, but it leaves the movie year with no nine-figure blockbuster

Jennifer Lawrence runs around in a skintight scaly blue suit, with matching blue face, occasionally morphing into a U.S. Army officer or a Vietnamese general. Along with his fingernail cutlery, Hugh Jackman sports veins that pop out of his arms like the 3-D detailing on a muscle car. Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy exchange meaningful glowers — while their older selves, played by Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart, gaze at them from a half-century into the future with the indulgent perplexity of grandfathers watching a couple of crazy kids they can’t help loving.

These attractive folks are part of an all-cool cast that unites the stars of the first X-Men trilogy (2000–06) and the prequel series launched three summers ago with X-Men: First Class. That Marvel franchise fusion — plus a fabulous scene where superfast-mo Peter/Quicksilver (Evan Peters) zips around the Pentagon kitchen deflecting bullets, saving lives and pulling pranks to the tune of Jim Croce’s “Time in a Bottle” — should have been enough to cue a lemming rush to the multiplexes and make X-Men: Days of Future Past the first $100 million three-day weekend of 2014.

Instead, director Bryan Singer’s freaks-and-geeks reunion earned “only” $91.4 million from its Thursday evening previews through Sunday. That’s a smaller haul than the $93.2 million amassed last weekend by the Godzilla remake or the $91.6 million for Marvel’s The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in early May. Add in the Memorial Day gross, and Days of Future Past will have a four-day estimated total of about $111 million, which puts it a mediocre 34th on the all-time four-day list, behind seven other Marvel movies.

Most humbling of all, the new X-Men movie couldn’t crack the $95 million tally for yet another Marvel sibling, Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That picture portrays a lesser entry from the comics company’s superhero stable — and Winter Soldier opened in April, an unlikely month for box-office behemoths.

All this firepower, and no $100 million three-day weekend yet. In the past decade of blockbuster action films, that has happened only twice: in 2009, when the first nine-figure movie was Transformers 2 in late June, at $109 million; and in 2011, when the finale of the Harry Potter films took in nearly $170 million in mid-July. Hollywood loves to play the numbers game, and $100 million — first achieved by the 2002 Spider-Man — has a nice, round glow and a luscious scent. To moguls with an expensive film to market, it smells like victory.

Of the 26 movies to score at least a $100 million three-day debut, 13 opened before Memorial Day, and 11 of those in May, which Hollywood considers the beginning of the summer season. By this time in 2007, three May releases — the third episodes of the original Spider-Man, Shrek and Pirates of the Caribbean franchises — had enjoyed $100 million-plus openings. In 2010, both Alice in Wonderland (in March) and Iron Man 2 (early May) had exceeded the magic figure. And in March of 2012, Lawrence’s The Hunger Games blasted out of the gate with $152.5 million, followed six weeks later by Marvel’s The Avengers, which set the current three-day record: $207.4 million.

By X-Men standards, Days of Future Past is in the middle of the litter: well above the $54.5 million earned by the first film — plain old X-Men — in 2000 and the $55.1 million tallied by the 2011 First Class relaunch, but dwarfed by the $102.75 million for the 2006 X-Men: The Last Stand. In real dollars, Future Past also lags behind the 2003 X2: X-Men United. Its $85.6 million opening would be $113.7 million today. And that’s not figuring in surcharges for 3-D and IMAX projections.

With higher ticket prices and familiar superheroes, why can’t this year’s movies open to a measly $100 million? Perhaps the heroes are too familiar: both of this month’s Marvel offerings, Spider-Man and X-Men, are recast recyclings of popular series that concluded a mere seven and eight years ago. Some viewers see these as the bus-and-truck versions of stories they loved not so long ago. And so they don’t see the new ones.

Aside from superhero fatigue, these audiences may also be suffering from Marvel overload. Marvel Entertainment is the canniest movie company around, with near-genius amalgamation of the creatures spawned in their comic books. But three Marvel movies in two months may be one of two too many. Didn’t Captain America just save the world in a fashion similar to that used by the X-Men to prevent a mad scientist (Peter Dinklage) from giving the ultimate weapon of a sentinel army to Richard Nixon? Is the movie world in danger of overpopulation by shape-shifters and twisted geniuses?

We hope not. We like many of the Marvel movies, including the latest Captain America. But the superhero surfeit may cause consumer resistance, and keep the $100 million weekend a pipe dream — until a month from now, when the fourth Transformers opens. If Michael Bay and Optimus Prime can’t save the movie blockbuster, who can?
http://time.com/116822/x-men-days-of-future-past-100-million-movie-opening-marvel/
 
Time Magazine doesn't think much of the opening numbers:

Good lord, you can taste the bile in that article just reading it. And detect the slant towards Marvel Studios. A very unpleasant read. Their opinion, of course, and they are entitled to that, but it seemed a bit sour.
 
90 million is nothing to sneeze at but I thught it would go over 100 million because they finally put the sentinels in the movie and with the cast alone never in my wildest dreams would I ever think Iron Man would be
more popular than the x-men

Movie was brilliant hopefully with the great word of mouth it does great
business next weekend
 
Mark Millar said that DOFP opening weekend was $302 million globally, which is Fox's biggest ever. Larger than Avatar's opening weekend. Although DOFP is a 4 day opening weekend
 
So how much does this movie need to make for it to be a success? Because I have no idea I always thought you just had to double your production budget to make a profit (not including marketing).
 
If they'd like to give me $90m, I'll decide whether that amount of money is a success :woot:
 
90 million is nothing to sneeze at but I thught it would go over 100 million because they finally put the sentinels in the movie and with the cast alone never in my wildest dreams would I ever think Iron Man would be
more popular than the x-men

Movie was brilliant hopefully with the great word of mouth it does great
business next weekend

Considering that DoFP was preceded by two smaller movies (The Wolverine and First Class), it has done very well.

They haven't yet built the momentum, brand awareness and interconnectivity that Marvel Studios has done.

But they are getting there. The end of The Wolverine led towards DoFP, and the post-credits sequence of DoFP led towards X-Men Apocalypse. What DoFP could have done is actually announced 'X-Men Apocalypse coming May 27, 2016' on a title screen at the end of the movie. They should be more confident with these things, more confident in their product and their franchise. It's the only way to get into 'pop culture.'
 
Add in the Memorial Day gross, and Days of Future Past will have a four-day estimated total of about $111 million, which puts it a mediocre 34th on the all-time four-day list, behind seven other Marvel movies.
Most humbling of all, the new X-Men movie couldn’t crack the $95 million tally for yet another Marvel sibling, Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That picture portrays a lesser entry from the comics company’s superhero stable — and Winter Soldier opened in April, an unlikely month for box-office behemoths.
Didn’t Captain America just save the world in a fashion similar to that used by the X-Men to prevent a mad scientist (Peter Dinklage) from giving the ultimate weapon of a sentinel army to Richard Nixon?
We hope not. We like many of the Marvel movies, including the latest Captain America.
If this article isn't completely biased, I don't know what is. :whatever:
 
As long as they don't give another disapointment like Origins and X3, i think the franchise has a chance to slowlly rebuild over time, if Apocalypse can be as good as DoFP, then it may have a bigger chance of becoming a top Hollywood film franchise once again.
 
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