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[blueserenity]

I agree that DoFP isn't at all what I envisaged for the First Class franchise.

However, the set-up is there in as much as we have two time periods already - the 60s of First Class and the 90s/00s of the previous trilogy, so the notion of connecting them isn't a big leap.

Also, it will serve to reset the franchise and sort out continuity issues, giving First Class more freedom with who it introduces without us worrying about how it fits in with the other films.

In addition, bringing back some old faces will attract new attention to the franchise and give it a lift. Much as i don't really want to see Jackman pop up again, especially in an extended role, it does make sense from a marketing/promotion/visibility point of view.

It now all rests on how this idea is executed. It could all be a hot mess, especially considering how the Phoenix Saga was handled. That story never had its required breathing space and development at all. One long film might be fine for DoFP, although ideally a two-parter would be better.

This is the studio's chance to win back fans and win back viewers. If they blow it, that could be it.

I think it's too late to reset stuff or to try and cram in something to explain continuity errors. The easiest way to handle this is to just keep going with what XMFC started: doing whatever it needs to to tell a good story, old movies be damned. As CB and CBM fans it's hard for us to step back and see it but I think combining the two timelines would be a giant clusterfrig for most people. I actually think it would screw up the continuity even more. If XOW Emma is XMFC Emma and is that because of time travel, we have to go through the headache of assessing every character, X1-3 and XMFC, to determine whether they're a product of time travel (12 yo Scott in 1962, 30 yo Scott in 2000) or whether they were unaffected by the events. That's a lot of work for something that could just be rectified with Vaughn announcing that XMFC is absolutely its own thing (which it should be anyway).

Personally time travel and its repercussions give me a massive headache even when done well, because there are too many whatifs and possible fixits to even fathom. I also resent it because in using time travel, you're taking away repercussions. Raven dies? No problem, we'll just go back and prevent that from happening. Charles loses his legs via stray bullet? Gotcha covered, he's going to be walking till his old age! Bad guy wins? Not in this reality, bub! I know that's not quite how it works in DoFP but if they really are using this film as a way to explain away inconsistencies, one of the things they'd do would be to take away Charles' paralysis. Which ruins the severity of what happened, and whose fault it was, a move that will affect the characters for the rest of their lives and gives them way more depth than had Charles had his spine crushed by a rock-bearing alien.

Like I've said before, this is feeling more and more like a retcon film, which is a bad, bad idea. Hopefully the director has enough integrity to stick to what he presented in XMFC and not have it wiped away in order to match up neatly to the old trilogy. The old trilogy should have absolutely no bearings on XMFC2 at all. It was fun at the time, but now they've got to let go and move on to this fresher team and fresher take.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think it's too late to reset stuff or to try and cram in something to explain continuity errors. The easiest way to handle this is to just keep going with what XMFC started: doing whatever it needs to to tell a good story, old movies be damned. As CB and CBM fans it's hard for us to step back and see it but I think combining the two timelines would be a giant clusterfrig for most people. I actually think it would screw up the continuity even more. If XOW Emma is XMFC Emma and is that because of time travel, we have to go through the headache of assessing every character, X1-3 and XMFC, to determine whether they're a product of time travel (12 yo Scott in 1962, 30 yo Scott in 2000) or whether they were unaffected by the events. That's a lot of work for something that could just be rectified with Vaughn announcing that XMFC is absolutely its own thing (which it should be anyway).

I hear you, but they have never made it clear if XMFC was a reboot or prequel, or a semi-prequel or whatever. If the franchise is ever to be enjoyed as a saga rather than one-off films bearing little relation to each other, then some realignment is needed.

Personally time travel and its repercussions give me a massive headache even when done well, because there are too many whatifs and possible fixits to even fathom. I also resent it because in using time travel, you're taking away repercussions. Raven dies? No problem, we'll just go back and prevent that from happening. Charles loses his legs via stray bullet? Gotcha covered, he's going to be walking till his old age! Bad guy wins? Not in this reality, bub! I know that's not quite how it works in DoFP but if they really are using this film as a way to explain away inconsistencies, one of the things they'd do would be to take away Charles' paralysis. Which ruins the severity of what happened, and whose fault it was, a move that will affect the characters for the rest of their lives and gives them way more depth than had Charles had his spine crushed by a rock-bearing alien.

The time travel, if that is the option they go for (rather than Xavier communicating from the future) has to be a one-shot deal. The experimental equipment gets destroyed, along with everyone who knows about it - that kind of thing. Terminator, Back to the Future and other films have managed okay with time travel, despite the paradoxes it can introduce. They just have to think about it to avoid plotholes, as they should with any script anyway.

In addition, if this does involve McAvoy Xavier seeing/meeting Stewart Xavier, then it could also be part of the character's arc of dealing with disability that we want to see as part of the story. If McAvoy Xavier sees that future Xavier is still disabled, and that advances in medicine/technology have not enabled him to walk again, it would mean he has to accept his fate and come to terms with it. Also, if he discovers that time travel cannot be used for a second time to prevent him becoming crippled, he also has to face the harsh fact that it cannot be undone.

Like I've said before, this is feeling more and more like a retcon film, which is a bad, bad idea. Hopefully the director has enough integrity to stick to what he presented in XMFC and not have it wiped away in order to match up neatly to the old trilogy. The old trilogy should have absolutely no bearings on XMFC2 at all. It was fun at the time, but now they've got to let go and move on to this fresher team and fresher take.

I think they have been planning this for a long time, given what Vaughn said about using the Kennedy assassination and the 'one new character' (ie the person from the future). It's just now becoming clear to the rest of us. I even heard Stentz/Miller say at London Comic-Con that they wanted to bring in Cable, so that suggested DoFP as well. It could well be Cable who travels back to the 60s.

It all comes down to good writing/directing. That's where some of the other X-Men films have fallen short.

 

[danoyse]

That is not the case anymore though. At least not entirely. FC was a very well recied movie that restored audiances faith in the X-Men series. Now, when people think X-Men films, they will have to think about FC and the actors that helped make it a really good movie. They won't be thinking about just the original trilogy anymore, the high quality of FC made sure of that.

It was well received, but it didn't do nearly the box office of the other films, outside of the original film. And the most popular scene was when a character from the first four films made a cameo.

One well-received film doesn't negate the four films that preceded it. Even more so when one of the actors has since gone on to become the face of entirely different franchise (Lawrence).

Include First Class, absolutely. Assume the audience has forgotten the rest? Not gonna happen.

 

[henzINNIT]

Days of Future Past can be a really neat way of freeing the prequels from continuity without erasing the original films in my opinon. While the intervention from the future will potentially change the course of history and "erase" the originals, they still happened and caused the intervention in the first place.

Normally I'd be concerned about timelines and continuity, but this series has played things so roughly already that I'm all for this. It actually helps to reconcile the broken timeline in a sense by definitively breaking it.

 

[JP]

I hear you, but they have never made it clear if XMFC was a reboot or prequel, or a semi-prequel or whatever. If the franchise is ever to be enjoyed as a saga rather than one-off films bearing little relation to each other, then some realignment is needed.



The time travel, if that is the option they go for (rather than Xavier communicating from the future) has to be a one-shot deal. The experimental equipment gets destroyed, along with everyone who knows about it - that kind of thing. Terminator, Back to the Future and other films have managed okay with time travel, despite the paradoxes it can introduce. They just have to think about it to avoid plotholes, as they should with any script anyway.

In addition, if this does involve McAvoy Xavier seeing/meeting Stewart Xavier, then it could also be part of the character's arc of dealing with disability that we want to see as part of the story. If McAvoy Xavier sees that future Xavier is still disabled, and that advances in medicine/technology have not enabled him to walk again, it would mean he has to accept his fate and come to terms with it. Also, if he discovers that time travel cannot be used for a second time to prevent him becoming crippled, he also has to face the harsh fact that it cannot be undone.



I think they have been planning this for a long time, given what Vaughn said about using the Kennedy assassination and the 'one new character' (ie the person from the future). It's just now becoming clear to the rest of us. I even heard Stentz/Miller say at London Comic-Con that they wanted to bring in Cable, so that suggested DoFP as well. It could well be Cable who travels back to the 60s.

It all comes down to good writing/directing. That's where some of the other X-Men films have fallen short.

Sweet jeebus, I'm getting too excited about the possibilities.

 

[Storm22]

This would definitely need a similar runtime to Avengers and Dark Knight Rises, aswell as a considerable budget. I have faith in Vaughn and his writing team though. It could be great if done right.

 

[marvelrobbins]

This Is tricky thing.The first film In this trilogy remains prequel to Singer's films.They could have Cyclops In future sequenze basiclly saying as far as we are corncerned the Last Stand didn't happen.Bishop or Cable would be bad Idea for time traveler.The future sequenzes need characters the audence already know.Both have very complicated historys.It's far better for the time traveler to be an exsisting character from earlier films.

Inlike the comic storyline of jumping back and forth between present and future I see them keeping the future as big opening sequenze.

If they want to give future films more freedom they need to stick to some rules.Cyclops,Jean Grey,and Storm as younger characters should not be In films till they reach 1970's but now they have opotion of Storm not being Introduced to team till later.They could keep havok,Banshee,and Beast on X-Men team and Emma on Brotherhood.

It's going to be some event after Xavier Is crippled and Magneto breaks Emma out of CIA custody that causes the eventully future with Sentinles

 

[X-Maniac]

Sweet jeebus, I'm getting to excited about the possibilities.

I keep chuckling at your Jennifer Holliday avatar.

She did some great dance tracks in her day (such as No Frills Love...and still looks as good thanks to what has to be plastic surgery!) and she also blasted the contestant off stage with her powerful vocal. Even if she was rather over the top with the body movements and vocal tricks!

 

[magneto23]

It was well received, but it didn't do nearly the box office of the other films, outside of the original film. And the most popular scene was when a character from the first four films made a cameo.

One well-received film doesn't negate the four films that preceded it. Even more so when one of the actors has since gone on to become the face of entirely different franchise (Lawrence).

Include First Class, absolutely. Assume the audience has forgotten the rest? Not gonna happen.

The 10 second Wolverine cameo wasn't the most popular scene IMO. It was funny and got big laughs. I just can't believe that if you had people voting on the best/favorite scenes of the movie that that cameo scene would be #1. I just can't believe that. Too many awesome Fassbender/Magneto moments to contend with.

And this one film doesn't negate the others. Your right. But it did breath new life into the X-Men franchise. Because X3 and XOW left this series for dead. The fact that it was a really good movie has brought on a lot of positive word of mouth and it has generated excitement for whats next. A sequel WILL perform very well at the BO in 2014. FC is the starting point, just like X1, its only going to go up from here as far as $ goes. And it doesn't need the "known" actors from the original trilogy to help with that.


"Assume the audience has forgotten the rest? Not gonna happen"

After you watched FC were you not thinking about whats next for THESE characters and THIS story? Or were you still thinking about the previous 4 films?

 

[JP]

I keep chuckling at your Jennifer Holliday avatar.

She did some great dance tracks in her day (such as No Frills Love...and still looks as good thanks to what has to be plastic surgery!) and she also blasted the contestant off stage with her powerful vocal. Even if she was rather over the top with the body movements and vocal tricks!

Oop. She does too much too often. Haha.

 

[chaseter]

The only way I want to see Halle, Ian, Patrick, etc back again is maybe in a video message cameo Kitty and Rogue or whoever brings back to show the dystopian future.

I only want to see one or two mainstays of the previous franchise in this movie. I want McAvoy, Fassbender, and Lawrence to still be the main characters. Rogue, Kitty, or Iceman are about the only people I want to see come back in time...because they aren't screen dominators or big names. Then they can recruit Wolverine but that's it. If Halle Berry, Ian, Patrick, et al are crammed into the sequel with Fassbender, McAvoy, Lawrence et al then it will be a hot mess.

Rogue and Kitty coming back would also not be a paradox as they weren't born in the 60s. That's another good reason plot wise for them to go back.

 

[marvelrobbins]

There are almost certainly going to be some kind of future sequenze.

The bulk of screentime Is going to be during the First Class era.There will be one character coming back In time to Interact with First Class cast.

Inless they have a brief Wolverine cameo In first Class era I only see Hugh Jackman In future sequenze.

The future sequenze would probally last 10-15 minutes or possably 20 Minutes.The rest of time In First Class time.

 

[Storm22]

They could have Halle and some others cameo at the start of the movie in a battle with Sentinels, where they ultimately perish. That would lead on to the desperate attempt to alter the timeline.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oop. She does too much too often. Haha.

Yeah your avatar is awesome! Jennifer Holiday was the highlight of American Idol's season finale.

 

[chaseter]

A future sequence would trump the entire rest of the movie and blow their wad right out of the gate...that won't happen.

A terminator esque opening with a mutant or two that we can't see the faces of appearing where ever with Charles sensing their presence and saying something is terribly wrong would be a great way to open the movie.

If you have the entire original cast in an epic battle for 10-15 minutes to open the movie then everyone would just be complaining how they should have just done X4.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They aren't doing days of future past as First Class sequel without original trilogy actors In it.It Is pretty much a safe bet they are taking Ideas for X4 and combining
them with first Class.I don't see anymore than 6 returning actors.Maybe 5 for future and 1 who travels back In time.Perhapes future sequenzes will be flashbacks or sequenze when Xavier reads mind of time traveler we get sequeze of future.

They undoudably would want footage of original trilogy actors for trailers to help hype and get attention for this film.Having first Class cast and original trilogy actors In same film Is likely a reason they are doing Days of future Past.

 

[CB Fan]

I think they have been planning this for a long time, given what Vaughn said about using the Kennedy assassination and the 'one new character' (ie the person from the future). It's just now becoming clear to the rest of us. I even heard Stentz/Miller say at London Comic-Con that they wanted to bring in Cable, so that suggested DoFP as well. It could well be Cable who travels back to the 60s.

It all comes down to good writing/directing. That's where some of the other X-Men films have fallen short.

I think They definately have been planning this for a while. Remember how before XM:FC came out Matthew Vaughn was talking about how much he liked what JJ Abrams did with Star Trek in creating an alternate reality so that way they didnt have to follow the continuity of the previous films and could create something new? I'm thinking this was his plan all along doing something that would seperate the prequels from singer and ratner's films, that something being Days of Future Past.

 

[M-2]

I think They definately have been planning this for a while. Remember how before XM:FC came out Matthew Vaughn was talking about how much he liked what JJ Abrams did with Star Trek in creating an alternate reality so that way they didnt have to follow the continuity of the previous films and could create something new? I'm thinking this was his plan all along doing something that would seperate the prequels from singer and ratner's films, that something being Days of Future Past.

I agree, I think Vaughn definitely wants to do his own thing with this X-men franchise, but maybe he doesn't want to be weighed down by trying to stick within the continuity of the original Trilogy, this way he can take it in a completely different direction...

but id still like to see FC2, as a continuation of what was built in the first film, and maybe the film end, with Kitty arriving or something...
Then develop X-Men: Days of Future Past almost as its own series, maybe having just the one film or stretched to 2 films, that way you could still justify having cast members from the original film make appearances but having the film focused on the First Class characters. When Days of the Future concludes, you go to X-Men First Class 3, but have the film set in the 80's, que young storm, young cyclops, young jean and the rest of them, as well as Gambit but a little older then the rest, have him be be with the Brotherhood first then he switches to X-men...

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I just **** my pants.

 

[BH/HHH]

I just **** my pants.

So did I

 

[Spider-Fan83]

^ how did you manage to **** his pants lol

 

[BH/HHH]

^ how did you manage to **** his pants lol

They're big pants

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

I think some people are getting too far ahead here remember this isn't confirmed and even if they do DOFP we won't know how much of it will be adaptated etc.

This. Was X-Men: First Class anything like the comic series First Class?

 

[Silvermoth]

I just checked the answer that didn't have Wolverine in it.

I reckon the people who should actually go to the future should be a mix of the Brotherhood and the X-men.

So Havok, Emma, Banshee and new character Avalance have to stop the assassination of Kelley while Charles, Magneto, Mystique, Azazel and a very young Jean Grey go to the future to bust people out of the concentration camps.

 

[henzINNIT]

It's funny that people are "tired" of Wolverine but in another thread where you select those you want to appear in this, he's winning already.