DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 5

[Mystirious]

True 'dat

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't doubt it. Speculators are always running around trying to make a fast buck on something. They wrecked comics, went into real Estate, and now comics publishers want them back to buy 25-50 copies of books to inflate the numbers back to those wonderful early 90's levels of 100K copies sold.

With the Economy bad and people are desperate. There are always people who think they're "getting in on the ground floor" of an investment worth a lot of money. Those kinds of people are thinking DCnU will be the new canon for comics and the first appearance of everyone for a new age.

Variant covers are the kind of bait used to get the speculators back in the game. If it's about the story and selling the casual reader then one cover should be good enough for a print run.

It was close to 20 years ago that comic publishers pulled these kinds of stunts and collapsed the market. Nice to know they haven't learned a thing.

Well, I'm basing this off of me, but when I buy a variant cover along with the regular cover. I never have the intention of selling either one of them.

 

[hippie_hunter]

J.T. Krul is leaving Green Arrow after issue #4.

Hey everyone! Effective as of issue #4, I will no longer be writing Green Arrow. As many of you know, Oliver Queen is one of my favorite characters in the DC Universe, so this decision was not easy to make. Getting the chance to do the fall of Green Arrow and my run during Brightest Day was a dream come true, and I was excited to bring a new yet familiar take on Green Arrow in the new 52. But, I’ve been writing him for a few years now and an opportunity came up that I really wanted to tackle. I had to make a choice. In a way, my decision to leave is more a testament to how incredibly thrilled I am about Captain Atom. I don’t think I’ve been more excited about a project. Working with Freddie Williams is amazing and I really think it’s among my best work at DC to date. It was a tough call – like picking a favorite child.

I can’t talk about my new project just yet, but it perfectly exemplifies what DC is all about with the New 52 – taking the best characters in comics and presenting them in new and exciting ways. The ability to think outside the box, take chances, and tell different kinds of stories is why it’s a great time to be writing for DC Comics.

For sure, I’ll miss Oliver Queen – and working with the likes of Dan Jurgens, George Perez, David Baron, and Dave Wilkins – but I’m sure the Emerald Archer will be in good hands for more globe-trotting, James Bond, high adventures.

And, at the very least, I got to include my version of the boxing-glove arrow.

 

[Primal Slayer]

While I dont mind since GA probably has been on the weakest #1s imo, but you would think DC would get these kinds of things under handle before launching a new take instead of giving it to a writer and then they end up leaving after 4 issues for something else. Get these thigns worked out before hand!

 

[Anubis]

So he poops the bed and walks away like nothing happened.

 

[Kahoot]

Is he going to write a New 52 event comic or something? To me it sounds like either that or more character reboots, but I thought that would be a little further on yet.

 

[Mystirious]

No I think he's just going to be writing a new series for DC instead of Green Arrow

 

[Kurosawa]

So two weeks in, and yes, it is very early yet, but my overall reaction to the DCnU so far is a big, "so what"? I mean, the details are different, the characters are different, but the comics look and read just the same to me as they did before. They certainly don't seem to be easy for a new reader just starting out to get into...maybe Action and JLA, but not even them, really.

I really feel that I've had a breakthrough in the past few weeks concerning comics and this reboot...and I realize that comics are not going to change. They're certainly not going to go back to the Bronze Age style that I grew up reading, and they're not going to go in any interesting new direction either. Certainly they (by they I mean mainstream superhero comics) are not going to return to being fun, uplifting, escapist or entertaining. They're still writing for the same audience as before, it's just in a new wrapping now. I think I have finally realized that I am wasting my time, effort and money hoping for a return to a classic style or for anything new. Mostly, I'm wasting my time on a medium and a genre that is just one big continuous downer. When one is living in the misery of Obama's failed 2011 America, one needs an escape. Superhero comics are no escape, they are now just a more elaborate tribute to misery. You can't even read a Batman comic to get away from brutality, misery and death. Life just no longer counts, not even fictional life.

I think I will call my LCS in the next few weeks and call it a day. It's over, and it's been over for 25 years. It took me long enough to understand, but now I do.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Is he going to write a New 52 event comic or something? To me it sounds like either that or more character reboots, but I thought that would be a little further on yet.

I doubt that it's going to be an event comic. Krul's name just isn't prominent enough yet to give an event comic to like Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns. I would say that Gail Simone, Peter Tomasi, or Scott Snyder are more likely to get an event comic than J.T. Krul. The last time DC gave one of their lower tier characters an event comic, it kinda blew up in their faces with War of the Supermen.

Not only that, but DC has said that they're not doing an event for a little while.

No I think he's just going to be writing a new series for DC instead of Green Arrow

Yeah, that's what it is going to be.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think I will call my LCS in the next few weeks and call it a day. It's over, and it's been over for 25 years. It took me long enough to understand, but now I do.

Kuro...

 

[Benstamania]

This is a stupid question but I haven't bought single issues since my comic store closed down a few years ago. Does anyone know when Batman #1 hits bookstore shelves?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It gets released this Wednesday.

 

[Benstamania]

Thanks much.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

So two weeks in, and yes, it is very early yet, but my overall reaction to the DCnU so far is a big, "so what"? I mean, the details are different, the characters are different, but the comics look and read just the same to me as they did before. They certainly don't seem to be easy for a new reader just starting out to get into...maybe Action and JLA, but not even them, really.

My thoughts. I've wondered if anyone who doesn't know a thing about those characters would really be able to get into this stuff? It doesn't seem that way. The re-numbering was for nothing. And you still do not get enough story in one issue. It's a joke.

I really feel that I've had a breakthrough in the past few weeks concerning comics and this reboot...and I realize that comics are not going to change. They're certainly not going to go back to the Bronze Age style that I grew up reading, and they're not going to go in any interesting new direction either. Certainly they (by they I mean mainstream superhero comics) are not going to return to being fun, uplifting, escapist or entertaining.

I've realized that already in the mid-90s but I just assumed I had gotten too old for comics.

And yes, comic industry is basically dead, the only reason it still exists is the fact that comics are cheap to make.

 

[CConn]

You're old? I thought you were like 14.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

No. 34. Married. Two kids. Moderately rich.

 

[HighFivingMF]

No. 34. Married. Two kids. Moderately rich.

What about abs? Got abs?

 

[TruerToTheCore]

What about abs? Got abs?

No, never. Too much fat in certain regions. Probably a genetic thing.

 

[Phatman]

J.T. Krul is leaving Green Arrow after issue #4.

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Wow it really is a 90's again at DC. Krul jumping ship after only three issues to write another title. Feels like Image all over again. Green Arrow= TRIBE.

Cancellation #1 of the New 52 coming up: Green Arrow.

Nothing derails a title than having no creative direction three issues in. Seriously, Didio should have worked this out with Krul six months ago.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I doubt they will cancel GA. They will do everything in their power to try to save this book I think.

 

[Phatman]

So two weeks in, and yes, it is very early yet, but my overall reaction to the DCnU so far is a big, "so what"? I mean, the details are different, the characters are different, but the comics look and read just the same to me as they did before. They certainly don't seem to be easy for a new reader just starting out to get into...maybe Action and JLA, but not even them, really.

I really feel that I've had a breakthrough in the past few weeks concerning comics and this reboot...and I realize that comics are not going to change. They're certainly not going to go back to the Bronze Age style that I grew up reading, and they're not going to go in any interesting new direction either. Certainly they (by they I mean mainstream superhero comics) are not going to return to being fun, uplifting, escapist or entertaining. They're still writing for the same audience as before, it's just in a new wrapping now. I think I have finally realized that I am wasting my time, effort and money hoping for a return to a classic style or for anything new. Mostly, I'm wasting my time on a medium and a genre that is just one big continuous downer. When one is living in the misery of Obama's failed 2011 America, one needs an escape. Superhero comics are no escape, they are now just a more elaborate tribute to misery. You can't even read a Batman comic to get away from brutality, misery and death. Life just no longer counts, not even fictional life.

I think I will call my LCS in the next few weeks and call it a day. It's over, and it's been over for 25 years. It took me long enough to understand, but now I do.

I know how you feel. Been a comics fan since I was four. It was one of the things that inspired me to be a writer.

But The DC relaunch has me really rethinking this hobby. I used to think it would change for the better, that someone could turn it around. But it seems like every time I read about heroes they act more like the bad guys and the content just gets worse instead of better. It's just not fun anymore. The escapism is gone, the joy, the heart, I can't get into it anymore.

To me, DC's relaunch feels like insanity, doing the exact same things and expecting a different result. Same approach to content, same approach to business, being sold in the same venues but with new numbers. Going for new readers but dong nothing new to attract them. It's just window dressing.

For me Superhero Comics, (DC and Marvel) action figures have gone from fun to becoming a business with no heart or no soul. I really want to move on from the hobby now and move away from the characters. 34 years into this hobby and now I'm feeling like it's time to put a period at the end of it and do something else.

 

[Phatman]

I doubt they will cancel GA. They will do everything in their power to try to save this book I think.

DC only gets one chance at a first impression. And the first 4-6 issues set the mission, direction and the tone for the overall ongoing series.

In book publishing, the first three chapters are the difference between someone buying a book or putting it back on the shelf. A writer has to hook the reader in the first three or it's not a buy. All of this should have been worked out before the book went to print. Switching writers is HUGE; usually the writer is the most stable part of a comic creative team.

Changing writers on the third issue says there's something seriously wrong creatively. Yeah, dude got another job, but the book was considered one of the weaker titles.

 

[The Batman]

The whole relaunch was nothing more than a band aid on a bullet wound. Truthfully, if DC wanted to actually change things, they wouldve actually rebooted EVERYTHING and went back to the old model of creating comics: accessible and not continuity laden. DC once again wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and now we got stupid 5 year time lines where batman got 5 sidekicks, his back broken, babs crippled, etc.

PErsonally, I'm waiting till Morrison is done on Batman, then its strictly "Wait for trade".

 

[Kurosawa]

I know how you feel. Been a comics fan since I was four. It was one of the things that inspired me to be a writer.

But The DC relaunch has me really rethinking this hobby. I used to think it would change for the better, that someone could turn it around. But it seems like every time I read about heroes they act more like the bad guys and the content just gets worse instead of better. It's just not fun anymore. The escapism is gone, the joy, the heart, I can't get into it anymore.

To me, DC's relaunch feels like insanity, doing the exact same things and expecting a different result. Same approach to content, same approach to business, being sold in the same venues but with new numbers. Going for new readers but dong nothing new to attract them. It's just window dressing.

For me Superhero Comics, (DC and Marvel) action figures have gone from fun to becoming a business with no heart or no soul. I really want to move on from the hobby now and move away from the characters. 34 years into this hobby and now I'm feeling like it's time to put a period at the end of it and do something else.

Yeah, I'm in that 30+ area myself and I really feel ya. I'd say it's a wrap. It's the same crap it's been for years and it will never change.

The whole relaunch was nothing more than a band aid on a bullet wound. Truthfully, if DC wanted to actually change things, they wouldve actually rebooted EVERYTHING and went back to the old model of creating comics: accessible and not continuity laden. DC once again wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and now we got stupid 5 year time lines where batman got 5 sidekicks, his back broken, babs crippled, etc.

PErsonally, I'm waiting till Morrison is done on Batman, then its strictly "Wait for trade".

Had JLA #1 been a single, self-contained story with a real beginning, middle and end where all the characters appeared, then I would have took their vows of a new direction seriously. But I knew from it that nothing was going to change, nothing of substance that is.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Justice League #1 is getting a fourth printing.