The Amazing Spider-Man Dennis Leary in negotiations for George Stacy

[Cousin Itt]

The casting for this flick so far has been awesome.

 

[JP]

Marissa Tomei has won an Oscar. Your point?

I don't watch Brothers and Sisters.

But no it is not a joke, imo Mirren is a far better actress than Field. Maggie Smith has won 2 Oscars and she would smack down Mirren and Field at the same time with her pinky.

And what is your point? You're comparing Sally Field, a Hollywood treasure, to Ashton Kutcher.

It just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.

 

[chaseter]

And what is your point? You're comparing Sally Field, a Hollywood treasure, to Ashton Kutcher.

It just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.

No, I was comparing Ashton Kutcher to Leary. Someone then brought up talent and I simply stated that if you want to go off of talent, then there are more talented actors and actresses to fit the roles if likeness holds no water to some of these people.

Come on, Leary is nothing like Captain Stacy other than they are white males but people that think Leary is awesome automatically think this is the best choice ever. So, Ricky Gervais for Doc Ock.

 

[Alex The Great]

Comparing Fields to Kutcher? Oh chase

 

[JP]

No, I was comparing Ashton Kutcher to Leary. Someone then brought up talent and I simply stated that if you want to go off of talent, then there are more talented actors and actresses to fit the roles if likeness holds no water to some of these people.

Come on, Leary is nothing like Captain Stacy other than they are white males but people that think Leary is awesome automatically think this is the best choice ever. So, Ricky Gervais for Doc Ock.

This doesn't make sense to me. Tom Hanks is a better actor than Robert Downey Jr, so he should play Tony Stark?

 

[chaseter]

This doesn't make sense to me. Tom Hanks is a better actor than Robert Downey Jr, so he should play Tony Stark?

If you are only taking into account talent. That is exactly what I was arguing against! People said Leary is a great actor, he will make a good Stacy. No... Tom Hanks is a great actor but he would not make a great Tony Stark. That is my point!!! Leary is ZERO percent Captain Stacy. But, people think its a great choice because they like Leary or that Leary is a good actor.

 

[chaseter]

Comparing Fields to Kutcher? Oh chase

I wasn't comparing Field and Kutcher. If anything, I was comparing Mirren and Field.

 

[kedrell]

But which Cap. Stacey are you thinking of? Seems to me he could do Ultimate Cap. Stacey pretty well.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed with chase. Sometimes, talent is not all a role requires. Leary just doesn't FEEL like Stacy to me. In no way shape or form. I would be FOR him in other roles, but as George Stacy? Bad choice, I am sorry.

This film has a great cast, but a great cast in what seems to be roles they are less fit for.

 

[Sinestro]

If you are only taking into account talent. That is exactly what I was arguing against! People said Leary is a great actor, he will make a good Stacy. No... Tom Hanks is a great actor but he would not make a great Tony Stark. That is my point!!! Leary is ZERO percent Captain Stacy. But, people think its a great choice because they like Leary or that Leary is a good actor.

I think Leary would make a great Captain Stacy only because of his great dramatic work on Rescue Me.

 

[chaseter]

But which Cap. Stacey are you thinking of? Seems to me he could do Ultimate Cap. Stacey pretty well.

I am trying to keep my mind away from anything and everything Ultimate because that leads to Ultimate villains.

I think Leary would make a great Captain Stacy only because of his great dramatic work on Rescue Me.

That's fine. But that part he plays is nothing like Captain Stacy so I can't just judge is talent as means to show that he is perfect for the part. His standup, his demeanor, his acting, his everything he does is nothing like Captain Stacy. That is all I am saying. He may do great, who knows. But right now, this is a terrible choice.

 

[kedrell]

It actually IS POSSIBLE that they could lift what's good about the ultimate Spidey books(some of the redesigns of his supporting cast..May, Cap. Stacey for example) while leaving the stuff that was bad about Ultimate Spidey(most of the villain redesigns).

 

[chaseter]

It actually IS POSSIBLE that they could lift what's good about the ultimate Spidey books(some of the redesigns of his supporting cast..May, Cap. Stacey for example) while leaving the stuff that was bad about Ultimate Spidey(most of the villain redesigns).

Yeah but I think they are trying to be totally different from Raimi. That means that the villains will be nothing like the villains were prior to this reboot. Raimi used a lot of the older comics for reference. So that is why I think they are using mostly the newer stuff as a starting point to distance themselves and create their own identity...which Ultimate certainly did at the expense of the rogue's gallery.

 

[AllyBabble]

I only know the original Cpt Stacey, and yeah, Leary does not fit that mould at all, but i think what they are going for here is a different take within the same parameters to make him a bit more interesting, because he is not *that* great a character, he is fine but could be exactly the same as any old solid, wise pipe smoking father figure from any number of movies.
I look at it like a Nolan casting for the Batman movies, Ledger did not seem like a Joker fit on first thought to many, Liam Neeson didn't for the Ras of the books, Cillian Murphy for Scarecrow, only Aaron Eckhart was immediately recognisable as a Harvey Dent/Two Face.
All of these actors worked and in some cases even improved on the comics original.
I think what they will do is make Stacey the wise, dependable father figure he is in the books, but instead of being regal, he will be a little more bad ass, and perhaps intimidating to Pete, but they will both come round to respecting and feeling comfortable with each other once they understand each other.

I was thinking the same thing with the guy who is playing Conners, I only saw him in goofy comedy roles before seeing him play an out and out bad ass reprehensable villan in Hannibal Rising, and he was awesome in the role, you forgot it was the same actor. He will probably bring something to Conners we don't expect either, while at the same time retaining certain characteristics, and that is what is exciting about some of these new superhero movies, they can improve on the source material sometimes, whereas not ten years ago we were lucky to even get them respecting the source material.

 

[Oscorp]

^I hope that's the case.

EDIT: That was a respons to kedrell's post

 

[kedrell]

They could distinguish themselves from Raimi easily enough by adapting the villains even MORE closer to 616 because Raimi strayed pretty far in many aspects.

 

[chaseter]

I only know the original Cpt Stacey, and yeah, Leary does not fit that mould at all, but i think what they are going for here is a different take within the same parameters to make him a bit more interesting, because he is not *that* great a character, he is fine but could be exactly the same as any old solid, wise pipe smoking father figure from any number of movies.
I look at it like a Nolan casting for the Batman movies, Ledger did not seem like a Joker fit on first thought to many, Liam Neeson didn't for the Ras of the books, Cillian Murphy for Scarecrow, only Aaron Eckhart was immediately recognisable as a Harvey Dent/Two Face.
All of these actors worked and in some cases even improved on the comics original.
I think what they will do is make Stacey the wise, dependable father figure he is in the books, but instead of being regal, he will be a little more bad ass, and perhaps intimidating to Pete, but they will both come round to respecting and feeling comfortable with each other once they understand each other.

I was thinking the same thing with the guy who is playing Conners, I only saw him in goofy comedy roles before seeing him play an out and out bad ass reprehensable villan in Hannibal Rising, and he was awesome in the role, you forgot it was the same actor. He will probably bring something to Conners we don't expect either, while at the same time retaining certain characteristics, and that is what is exciting about some of these new superhero movies, they can improve on the source material sometimes, whereas not ten years ago we were lucky to even get them respecting the source material.

I personally did not think Liam was that great as Ra's. Liam pretty much played Liam Neeson with a moustache.

 

[Oscorp]

They could distinguish themselves from Raimi easily enough by adapting the villains even MORE closer to 616 because Raimi strayed pretty far in many aspects.

QFT

 

[Oscorp]

I personally did not think Liam was that great as Ra's. Liam pretty much played Liam Neeson with a moustache.

I thought I was like the only one who thought this

 

[kedrell]

Ah but it worked(the Neeson thing) because most ppl didn't have a clue about Ra's.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Mirren, Oldman, etc are far more solid, respectable actors than Leary, Fields, etc.

I am not saying Leary is a terrible actor, I am saying he is a terrible choice to play Captain Stacy. He may rock the part, I don't know, but from what I see at this point...he is a terrible choice. It is the exact same thing as saying "Great choice," or "He is perfect." Those people know as much as I do about how great or bad he is going to be at this point since they obviously didn't chose him based on resemblance to the character he will be playing.

I love Ricky Gervais. But if he was cast as Ock I would say WTF. Just because you love an actor doesn't mean he is automatically the best actor for the role.

I get were you're saying. I love Denis Leary, and as I mentioned before, his casting is completely out of left field. That's because he is the last person you'd think to play Stacey. I think that it is stupid to say he is the perfect choice just as much as it is stupid to say he's a terrible choice. The best we can say is that it is an interesting one because we have NO CLUE how they're going to handle the character, and we won't be able to say he is perfect or terrible until we see the flick.

Leary can go either way. I love him as an actor and to see him in a Spider-Man movie could be awesome. No one saw it coming. Thats the excitement.

And personally, I find it more exciting to have completely unexpected actors land roles in this than your standard, "I'm in everything" thespian.

 

[The Joker]

I personally did not think Liam was that great as Ra's. Liam pretty much played Liam Neeson with a moustache.

This is true. Ra's himself wasn't even really Ra's. No immortality with the Lazarus pits, no Talia by his side, he was an advocate for justice instead of being an eco terrorist etc.

I enjoyed Neeson, but it wasn't Ra's Al Ghul to me.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I personally did not think Liam was that great as Ra's. Liam pretty much played Liam Neeson with a moustache.

Liam plays Liam in every movie. But Liam is awesome so its okay.

 

[stillanerd]

I don't think anyone expected Luke Skywalker to become the most iconic Joker of all times, even if only with his voice. Same with the other iconic Joker of recent years t:

That's certainly true.

You do know what the role of an ACTOR is right?

Yes, but there are two kinds of actors. There's the kind that can become the role to the point where his or her true personality is all but gone, and then there's the kind of actor who plays roles that are projections of their own personality. Based on what I know about Leary's body of work, I think he fits into the later category.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Marissa Tomei has won an Oscar. Your point?

I don't watch Brothers and Sisters.

But no it is not a joke, imo Mirren is a far better actress than Field. Maggie Smith has won 2 Oscars and she would smack down Mirren and Field at the same time with her pinky. If someone is going to argue the acting caliber for the role if they aren't being judged on their likeness for the part, then there are a plethora of better actors and actresses. It has to be a fine mixing of talent and likeness. Sally Field has talent, but she exudes 0% Aunt May. Leary is a good actor, but he is 0% Captain Stacy. Now once again, this is all we have to go off of so far. They may be the best ever, who knows. But, saying Leary will make an awesome Stacy is just as solid as me saying he won't. No one knows. However, there are some actors that were born to play these roles. RDJ and JK Simmons for example. They exemplify perfect casting. Garfield, college age, to me has been the only one so far that exudes the part he is playing.

I only know the original Cpt Stacey, and yeah, Leary does not fit that mould at all, but i think what they are going for here is a different take within the same parameters to make him a bit more interesting, because he is not *that* great a character, he is fine but could be exactly the same as any old solid, wise pipe smoking father figure from any number of movies.
I look at it like a Nolan casting for the Batman movies, Ledger did not seem like a Joker fit on first thought to many, Liam Neeson didn't for the Ras of the books, Cillian Murphy for Scarecrow, only Aaron Eckhart was immediately recognisable as a Harvey Dent/Two Face.
All of these actors worked and in some cases even improved on the comics original.
I think what they will do is make Stacey the wise, dependable father figure he is in the books, but instead of being regal, he will be a little more bad ass, and perhaps intimidating to Pete, but they will both come round to respecting and feeling comfortable with each other once they understand each other.

I was thinking the same thing with the guy who is playing Conners, I only saw him in goofy comedy roles before seeing him play an out and out bad ass reprehensable villan in Hannibal Rising, and he was awesome in the role, you forgot it was the same actor. He will probably bring something to Conners we don't expect either, while at the same time retaining certain characteristics, and that is what is exciting about some of these new superhero movies, they can improve on the source material sometimes, whereas not ten years ago we were lucky to even get them respecting the source material.

AllyBabble, I certainly understand your point and I certainly hope you are right. I have always thought some characters need to be maturely evolved to the mentality of today’s world; yet, maintain the essence(parameters as you like to say)of the character original persona. Chameleon, Eddie Brock/Venom, and Vulture just to name a few. However, I just do see this being the case for Webb and Co. I see them simply adopting the Ultimate for the sake of distinguishing themselves from Raimi(whom used elements of both 616, Ultimate, TAS, and a little of his own creativity)… too much going on there is the reason Raimi began to fail.
　
So, I have to agree with chaseter, the casting does not exemplify the characters they are to play. You are right about some of Nolan’s casting…Heath was not Nolan original choice; yet alone, his second or third. However, when he was selected, I was one that dislike the selection. But I firmly believe that Nolan’s vision of what he wanted Joker to be, is what fit Heath more than Heath as the Joker. Which goes back to maturely evolving the character to today’s mentality, while maintain the essence of the character. If Webb is able to do that, the franchise is well on it’s way and I would salute him for it.

There is nothing in Leary that says Stacy, nothing in Ifans that says Connors, nothing in Sheen that says Ben, Fields etc. I just don’t see it; but who knows, like chaseter, they can turn out to be the best ever. As a Spidey fan, I certainly hope so.