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The Dark Knight Did anyone feel sorry for the Joker at all??

No way he was pure evil...I kinda felt sorry for his philosophy about people but hes crazy what do you expect?

And NO WAY did I feel sorry when he asked for his phone call, he put a freakin cell phone bomb in a mans stomach and blew him to bits. I feel sorry for that fat guy thats now a bloody pulp rather than Joker
 
At times, (like you mentioned, when he gets almost hurt when the gang call him crazy) I did feel a bit bad for him, but it gets washed away by the part with Brian Douglas, or the Arkham patients he basically sacrifices, and so forth. But I think it's a testament to Nolan and Ledger that they could craft such an evil, yet complex and emotional character.
 
Nope. Joker was villainous and evil. My sympathy goes for Heath, not the Joker. When he says that him and Batman are destined to battle forever...that's when it really hit me deep with Heath.
 
of course i feel sorry for puddin'!!
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No way?!?! Batman is always supposed to come out on top---its a give in to have the Joker put away. :)
 
I was cheering the Joker on,in a way. I don't approve of murder and everything he did,but part of me loves the anti-establishment/anti-society aspect.
 
You've got to admit it, everyone likes to Laugh!!

He's the clown, who puts a smile on ya face, wheither you want it or not!!

Hahaha!!
 
After I heard the first "How I Got My Scars" story, I felt so sorry for him...I was thinkin...could it be that this character has a reason to be a mass murderer freak? Nope. After the second story, I said forget it - he can't be trusted. :ninja:
 
i felt a little bad for him the split second i thought that batman might let him fall to his death, but after that, not really
 
I kinda felt for him when the ferrys didn't blow up. That's the only moment in the movie where he actually feels defeated. But he did get the last laugh, so...
 
I really liked the shot when he realised the ferry's weren't gonna blow up. Disbelief, confusion, anger. The look on his face really cut through and you got a sense of what Joker was about and then Batman tells him he really is alone. Joker wanted a kindred spirit in Batman, "a freak like me". And he wants to bring others down to his level, including the citizens on the ferry. "I'll show you, you'll see". But they won't come, they're stronger than he is. I didn't feel sorry for him but that shot really got to the depths of the Joker imo.
 
I really liked the shot when he realised the ferry's weren't gonna blow up. Disbelief, confusion, anger. The look on his face really cut through and you got a sense of what Joker was about and then Batman tells him he really is alone. Joker wanted a kindred spirit in Batman, "a freak like me". And he wants to bring others down to his level, including the citizens on the ferry. "I'll show you, you'll see". But they won't come, they're stronger than he is. I didn't feel sorry for him but that shot really got to the depths of the Joker imo.

:lmao: I love how some people feel sorry for him with the ferries don't blow up. The answer is no through out the film, but when he fails in killing hundreds of people, everyone feels bad for him. Priceless.
 
If you feel sorry for the Joker in this movie, seek therapy. Your morals are incredibly screwed up.
 
i kinda felt sorry for him when his "fireworks" didn´t happen...he looked so disappointed :csad:
 
I felt alot of sympathy for him cuz i agreed with everything he had to say!
 
I felt sorry for the Joker in The Killing Joke when he says "No... it's far too late for that I'm afraid..." so it doesn't surprise me I feel a certain pang for him in this movie from time to time. To me, that was the genius of TKJ. That's when the Joker realizes that there is something wrong with him. That you can't just push a good man over the edge. That it is something about HIM... maybe he is a monster... That's pitiable, to me. And I see the same thing happening at the end of this movie when he realizes that a boat full of fricken convicts can still maintain a sense of morality when staring down imminent death... Maybe he isn't just ahead of the curve, you know? That must be some realization.

Actually, the part I felt the most for him is in the mob meeting when he says "You see a guy like me..." and Gambol cuts him off with "Freak!" And he tries to start the sentence again, kind of quietly, but just trails off and jumps straight to the "Look. I know why you hold your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight..." When he trails off, he sounds so hurt. I think that "freak" was a word he used to hear a lot of, even before he became what he is.

And yeah... the constant mumbling to himself? I found that endearing in a weird way. I know it's wrong. It's just that he really did act so childlike, and it made him seem more damaged than evil at times. And in those moments where he comes off as damaged, I do feel sorry for him. But in the moments when he shouts "LOOK AT ME!" I'm scared stupid. So it's an interesting balance for me when watching it.

But I really like that I feel something for the Joker other than hatred or fear. I certainly felt those things, but there was a lot of feeling mixed in there. I admired his intelligence and found his philosophies to have merit. I felt pity for him when I saw a deeper pain and fragility I thought he was hiding. And I was frightened of him in those moments when he seemed nearly possessed.

Damn, the Nolans and Heath did this character proud. I swear... there will never be a Joker that captivates me more than Heath's. I know this is my bones. This is it for me. And I am both thankful, and very, very sad about that.
 
I felt sorry for the Joker in The Killing Joke when he says "No... it's far too late for that I'm afraid..." so it doesn't surprise me I feel a certain pang for him in this movie from time to time. To me, that was the genius of TKJ. That's when the Joker realizes that there is something wrong with him. That you can't just push a good man over the edge. That it is something about HIM... maybe he is a monster... That's pitiable, to me. And I see the same thing happening at the end of this movie when he realizes that a boat full of fricken convicts can still maintain a sense of morality when staring down imminent death... Maybe he isn't just ahead of the curve, you know? That must be some realization.

Actually, the part I felt the most for him is in the mob meeting when he says "You see a guy like me..." and Gambol cuts him off with "Freak!" And he tries to start the sentence again, kind of quietly, but just trails off and jumps straight to the "Look. I know why you hold your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight..." When he trails off, he sounds so hurt. I think that "freak" was a word he used to hear a lot of, even before he became what he is.

And yeah... the constant mumbling to himself? I found that endearing in a weird way. I know it's wrong. It's just that he really did act so childlike, and it made him seem more damaged than evil at times. And in those moments where he comes off as damaged, I do feel sorry for him. But in the moments when he shouts "LOOK AT ME!" I'm scared stupid. So it's an interesting balance for me when watching it.

But I really like that I feel something for the Joker other than hatred or fear. I certainly felt those things, but there was a lot of feeling mixed in there. I admired his intelligence and found his philosophies to have merit. I felt pity for him when I saw a deeper pain and fragility I thought he was hiding. And I was frightened of him in those moments when he seemed nearly possessed.

Damn, the Nolans and Heath did this character proud. I swear... there will never be a Joker that captivates me more than Heath's. I know this is my bones. This is it for me. And I am both thankful, and very, very sad about that.

Excellent post.
 
Heh, this is going to be a long post… Also intimate. Bear with me, might put a smile on that face of yours :yay:

Ok, for this, you gotta take my word, and Í́ m a bit drunk right now, cause I just saw the movie and it shook me to the bone, so you CAN trust me.

I didnt feel sorry for the Joker, because he doesń́ t want you to feel sorry for him. I know. I have an IQ they could never measure with tests, freakishly intelligent so to speak. Í́ m also a near paraphlegic, so thats two handicaps. Imagine a guy with Schwartzeneggers body and a peanut sized brain. Now turn it the other way around. Not as obvious, but still makes life complicated. I doń́ t think that people who are less intelligent are less worthy than me. Intelligence is just a trait and most real people with self control and manners have redeeming features. Patince with people is the key. The Joker just doesń́ t have the patience, but I can understand him. Hes out to prove a point, and doesń́ t have patience or time for the endless red tape that is civilized life. Just think of the mafia meeting. He knows how to deal with the problem, but he cant explain it to these guys caught up in liabilities like interests, status, money and petty rivalries. They just see an outlandish guy and cant begin to comprehend his ideas or give him outright the authority he deserves. I can relate. I have often felt like a clown while trying to explain perfectly rational stuff to people of lesser intelligence or level of education. If you think Í́ m just bragging, try asking a computer wizz to explain to you what exactly is wrong with your computer next time you call one to fix it. He might try. And get frustrated, unless he is a very patient man.

So, almost everything the Joker did in the film was rational to me after i saw what was the reason behind it. I have done stuff like that in real life if you take the film as a metaphor, which artworks should often be taken as. I can imagine what he felt like. He was just out to prove a point. Its very easy to describe this film in terms of metaphor. There are two guys (Joker and Batman) who are sitting in a bar debating philosophy and having a drinking contest at the same time. Every time a claim is made (I could blow up a hospital to convince you) the trust of the opponent in the debate is gained by taking a shot of hard liquor (In the movie the Joker kills people, and Batman beats them up). A third guy (Harvey Dent) is a friend of one of them and is willing to pay for their drinks because his friend (Batman) is convincing him that he can both do it and it is worth it. I study comparative literature and know quite a few philosophy students, so Ive seen it happen almost like that. Its simple. One guy (Joker) claims that intelligent people should be unchained with the nuisances of civilization, and the other (Batman) is patiently coping with and parrying his cunning and well thought out arguments, all the while gaining his respect by matching him drink for drink. They are both fascinated by each others rethoric and logic, so they cant stop, all the while making the bill huge. When the bar finally closes, they are still deeply entranced by (and possibly madly in love with) each other, but the poor sponsor has a breakdown when he sees the bill he was essentially manipulated to pay.

Thats all there is to it. If you understand, you give me more reasons to not lose my patience and not become the Joker, if you doń́ t i hope you find things in life that interest you and never run into somebody with people skills, intelligence and a lack of morals. TDK Joker is what an exceptionally intelligent and knowledgeable person really feels like under and the restraints and madly in love with somebody who can prove to him that those restraints are there for a reason.

Furthermore. The movie doesń́ t teach only of the importance and value of paying your own bills, or in other words responsibility. It is a tragic romantic movie about love between kindred spirits that have lost their ideals and feel the need to either constantly question their partners devotion and the limits he/she would have to go to to keep them around, to still keep them resolute (in the case of Joker), or the ability to look themselves in the mirror and stay the way they are no matter what life threw at them (in case of the Batman). Its a story of “would you still love me if”. Batman needs somebody to understand the importance of what he stands for, and the Joker needs somebody to appreciate his insight and put him in his place long after hes lost all idea why he should be there. Its true love of imaginative children made graphic.

All the Jokers mannerisms and manipulative little stories make sense. I know this, because I had to learned to endear people to myself. Even family members lose patience when they need to hand the paraphlegic the urin container for the hundreth time. You just want somebody to have patience with you and be amazed with what you have, even if its just raw, unproffitable intelligence. You want somebody to love you for the challenge that you pose, somebody to see the reasons for your egzistance. You want to find that somebody can appriciate the joke, find the tragedy behind the humor as deep as you find it. Somebody that doesń́ t kill you even after you show him that you really have no place in an ordinary world. Somebody to put you in your place, and earn enough of your respect to believe in it.

[FONT=&quot]I love my girlfirend. I love her because we doń́ t have to resort to killing people to provoke one another into proving our love and devotion, both to each other and the world we live in. I love her because we can see where the debate is going and just kiss each other and tell each other that we understand, even if so few others do.

The Joker is sane.He ́́́ s just so disaapointed and bored. He falls in love. And it might just be the greatest love story ever told.[/FONT]
 
Dont feel sorry for The Joker at all. I just cant feel sorry for a guy who would kill me without a moments hesitation
 

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