🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

[samsnee]

Agreed. Why not take those videos off the then?

 

[Prettyricky]

What I'm seeing is Derek used his knowledge of the law to make it appear as an accident at worst. Health-related, my ass.

I just don't get how once you have the suspect subdued on the ground and handcuffed why continue to choke him out? Makes zero sense and no way in hell he gets off for this. How is it that years and years of the show cops constantly followed cops around in various situations and had very few incidents like this?

 

[OutOfBoose]

I just don't get how once you have the suspect subdued on the ground and handcuffed why continue to choke him out? Makes zero sense and no way in hell he gets off for this. How is it that years and years of the show cops constantly followed cops around in various situations and had very few incidents like this?

Can't imagine anything that will justify it.

 

[Schlosser85]

Chauvin is going to have a very hard time trying to defend his actions as justifiable considering

- three others pinning Floyd down

-handcuffed

- keeping his knee on Floyd’s neck for eight straight minutes while Floyd is repeatedly pleading that he can’t breathe

- keeping his knee on Floyd’s neck for another two and a half minutes after Floyd becomes unresponsive

All on camera.

Jeffrey Toobin said he thinks Chauvin’s case is virtually indefensible.

 

[samsnee]

Agreed except we’ve seen before how this ends

 

[terry78]

Their defense team will figure something out.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, it was denounced by other cops. Which is telling all by itself.

 

[Prettyricky]

Im no lawyer but don't they have to prove that his death is caused directly from this arrest? I feel like that little grey area would be all this pos needed to get off which is still rediculous

 

[Sithborg]

That is why a third party autopsy is happening.

 

[The Guard]

Chauvin is going to have a very hard time trying to defend his actions as justifiable considering

- three others pinning Floyd down

-handcuffed

- keeping his knee on Floyd’s neck for eight straight minutes while Floyd is repeatedly pleading that he can’t breathe

- keeping his knee on Floyd’s neck for another two and a half minutes after Floyd becomes unresponsive

All on camera.

Jeffrey Toobin said he thinks Chauvin’s case is virtually indefensible.

It's not defensible in the sense that he's not gong to be able to justify his use of force in any reasonable way. But he may not be convicted of murder, either. He may be able to argue that he thought the man could breathe because he was still speaking, or something along those lines. That would make him look like an idiot and a bully. But he already does look like that, plus a murderer. There's a reason the manslaughter charge is on there. He used excessive force and a man died in custody. That is indisputable and indefensable, and the Minneapolis Police Chief said as much. They need to know they have that charge as a fallback in case he is able to mount a murder defense.

His attorney will probably argue keeping Floyd down was a safety issue based on Floyd resisting arrest prior and perceived dangers therein, which is an incredibly gray area sometimes.

And that's likely the reason the other officers haven't actually been arrested yet, aside from that there are likely ongoing investigations/negotiations with the union. Everyone knows they f'd up. But they're not sure what they can legitimately charge them with. They'd have to prove this was somehow premeditated and that the officers knew what was going to happen ahead of time. They failed to respond to the situation taking place, and that's an immediately firable offense. Is it a criminal one? I do think the ones who helped hold him down are in a lot more legal trouble than the one standing around, even though he may have been the one who could have stopped a situation that had escalated too far.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not defensible in the sense that he's not gong to be able to justify his use of force in any reasonable way. But he may not be convicted of murder, either. He may be able to argue that he thought the man could breathe because he was still speaking, or something along those lines. That would make him look like an idiot and a bully. But he already does look like that, plus a murderer. There's a reason the manslaughter charge is on there. He used excessive force and a man died in custody. That is indisputable and indefensable, and the Minneapolis Police Chief said as much. They need to know they have that charge as a fallback in case he is able to mount a murder defense.

His attorney will probably argue keeping Floyd down was a safety issue based on Floyd resisting arrest prior and perceived dangers therein, which is an incredibly gray area sometimes.

And that's likely the reason the other officers haven't actually been arrested yet, aside from that there are likely ongoing investigations/negotiations with the union. Everyone knows they f'd up. But they're not sure what they can legitimately charge them with. They'd have to prove this was somehow premeditated and that the officers knew what was going to happen ahead of time. They failed to respond to the situation taking place, and that's an immediately firable offense. Is it a criminal one? I do think the ones who helped hold him down are in a lot more legal trouble than the one standing around, even though he may have been the one who could have stopped a situation that had escalated too far.

Have you watched the video footage? He wasn't talking for over 2 mins. They also claimed they knew he was in medical distress and thus claimed that is why the called the medics. So he continued to kneel on him while he thought he was in medical distress? Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all.

 

[RockSP]

To paraphrase PE, don't believe the kumbaya hype

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All 4 of them are murderers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To paraphrase PE, don't believe the kumbaya hype

I had heard about this, but couldn't prove it so I didn't want to post it. Remember, most of the cops are good folks! We need to meet them halfway!

 

[Babillygunn]

To paraphrase PE, don't believe the kumbaya hype

reminds me of this scene where in the middle of the fight they all briefly stop to wish everyone a happy new year before going back to killing each other

 

[chamber-music]

Have you watched the video footage? He wasn't talking for over 2 mins. They also claimed they knew he was in medical distress and thus claimed that is why the called the medics. So he continued to kneel on him while he thought he was in medical distress? Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all.

Yep. I fail to see how they can justify he was still a threat or kneeing Floyd in the neck when he had already passed out or died was acceptable.

It isn't like he didn't know and kneeing someone in the neck has been denounced by every senior cop who appeared on television over the last week.

 

[Schlosser85]

Would someone explain, considering they already had him handcuffed and there were four of them there, exactly why they just sat there for eight straight minutes instead of just throwing him in the car and leaving?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

They mocked Floyd, telling him to get up while they were on top of him and staying that way. Even stayed on top of him for like 3 minutes after he was unconscious/dead.

 

[Schlosser85]

They mocked Floyd, telling him to get up while they were on top of him and staying that way. Even stayed on top of him for like 3 minutes after he was unconscious/dead.

Yea, that's the other part. They kept yelling at him to get in the car while literally sitting on him.

Given how obviously nonsensical and unfollowable their orders were, I half-wonder if they were loudly saying it for the benefit of onlookers, to try to make it sound like he was resisting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Would someone explain, considering they already had him handcuffed and there were four of them there, exactly why they just sat there for eight straight minutes instead of just throwing him in the car and leaving?

From the footage I have seen, it looks like he may have been in some sort of medical distress. He falls over at least twice. He seems to fall over in front of the vehicle. Which makes you think, sit him down and call the ambulance right? But instead three of them all kneel on him.

Did they assume he was faking and were trying to punish him for it? The way they load his body onto the gurney is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. They don't seem to care at all.

 

[Schlosser85]

From the footage I have seen, it looks like he may have been in some sort of medical distress. He falls over at least twice. He seems to fall over in front of the vehicle. Which makes you think, sit him down and call the ambulance right? But instead three of them all kneel on him.

Did they assume he was faking and were trying to punish him for it? The way they load his body onto the gurney is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. They don't seem to care at all.

Yea that’s disturbing (not like the whole video isn’t). They just drag him sideways over the pavement and throw him on the gurney like a slab of meat.

 

[terry78]

And Trump cowers in his bunker hurling insults at the governors.

 

[The Guard]

Yep. I fail to see how they can justify he was still a threat or kneeing Floyd in the neck when he had already passed out or died was acceptable.

They can't. And that's part of the reason they were fired almost immediately. They will try to say that he was on the ground because they deemed him a threat after he allegedly resisted arrest.

It isn't like he didn't know and kneeing someone in the neck has been denounced by every senior cop who appeared on television over the last week.

They're going to argue that they didn't realize they were applying deadly force. That they thought they were restraining him.

Would someone explain, considering they already had him handcuffed and there were four of them there, exactly why they just sat there for eight straight minutes instead of just throwing him in the car and leaving?

Yea, that's the other part. They kept yelling at him to get in the car while literally sitting on him.

Given how obviously nonsensical and unfollowable their orders were, I half-wonder if they were loudly saying it for the benefit of onlookers, to try to make it sound like he was resisting.

They were being filmed at that point, weren't they? They were likely waiting on backup and for a way out. They were probably not thinking straight by that point in time, which they will also argue. That the situation escalated and they went into a state of shock or something along those lines.

From the footage I have seen, it looks like he may have been in some sort of medical distress. He falls over at least twice. He seems to fall over in front of the vehicle. Which makes you think, sit him down and call the ambulance right? But instead three of them all kneel on him.

There was some kind of struggle prior to the beginning of the first video, that you can see partial video of. He may have been out of breath from that. It's hard to say. The family's attorney seems determined to prove he had no serious prior conditions.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Twitter hid this tweet by Matt Gaetz:

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