Discussion: Torture

[chaseter]

Pelosi still lied, what is to discuss? She hasn't been proven to be a saint sent down to protect man.

 

[Superman]

Pelosi still lied, what is to discuss? She hasn't been proven to be a saint sent down to protect man.

What did she lie about?

 

[Bathead]

What did she lie about?

Good question. AFAIK, (and it's entirely possible i've missed it) No-one has proven she lied about anything concerning what the CIA did or didn't do. Please inform me what evidence there is (if any) that she did indeed lie.

 

[chaseter]

What did she lie about?

She said that she was not briefed on water boarding when the CIA said that they briefed the committee on that day.

The link that was posted only talked about a classified program that is still classified so we have no idea what it contains. We knew waterboarding had been happening for years now so it isn't the same thing. I am sure Pelosi was briefed on waterboarding and either did not care about it until now to champion the drive for Democrats against Republicans or she didn't hear it or was busy doing something else. We won't know for sure until the records for that briefing are released and for some reason they won't release them even when Mr. President can get them with a phone call and I am sure so could Ms. Pelosi.

Look at the video, she is fumbling around and she doesn't sound confident.

What is also funny is that she says she was briefed on "enhanced interrogation methods," but never once asked what that included??? Even if she was briefed only once, do you think she would have been interested in what "enhanced" means?

 

[StorminNorman]

Further more an Aide for Nancy Pelosi was informed of Waterbording in 2003.

Congresswoman Jane Harman wrote a letter to the CIA in 2003 opposing their use of waterboarding and Pelosi has stated that she knew of Harman's letter and agreed with it when she sent it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050803967.html

 

[BlackLantern]

so who's lying here?? Pelosi?? the Cia??? is Nixon involved??

 

[Kelly]

As far as the classified program, it looks like it never got any further than talking about it, not even talking of moving forward. Had the talk been to move forward with it, it would have been brought to the committee...it didn't get that far, therefore it wasn't brought to the committee.

I'm sure that happens alot...

 

[StorminNorman]

No, only Dick Cheney did it. Ever.

 

[Marx]

CIA SUPERVISOR USED FIRE ANTS ON DETAINEE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aram-roston/cia-supervisor-claimed-he_b_231303.html

A recently released legal memo describing interrogation techniques showed that Bush Administration lawyers had approved the use of "insects" in interrogations. "You would like to place [Abu] Zubaydeh in a cramped confinement box with an insect," Jay Bybee, then a Justice Department lawyer and now a federal judge, wrote in 2002. He opined that as long as the bug wasn't actually harmful, it would not violate the law to use one to scare a terrorist detainee.

That was the first mention of insects to become public. But the memo's release may make it worth looking back to a brouhaha that occurred in secret at the agency in 2005. A CIA supervisor involved in the "enhanced interrogation" program bragged to other CIA employees about using fire ants while during questioning of a top terror suspect, according to several sources formerly with the Agency. The official claimed to other Agency employees, the sources say, to have put the stinging ants on a detainee's head to help break him.

The CIA insists, however, that no matter what the man said, it never took place. In fact, even though the Bush administration lawyers condoned the use of non-harmful insects, as the memo revealed, the technique wasn't employed, the agency says. "The CIA did not use insects as part of its terrorist interrogation program," said CIA Spokesman Paul Gimigliano. "That didn't happen, period."

The CIA supervisor who purportedly bragged of using insects was, and still is, a high-level official, working at the Senior Executive Service level. Because he is still in the CIA covert side, his name cannot be published.

But he was in the field and helped oversee, according to sources, the way "enhanced" interrogation techniques were used.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, they're....just ants.....I guess....

This is going to keep escalting, isn't it?

 

[Nivek]

Now that's pretty creative torture. Non-Lethal, intimidating, psychological, and easy to mock.

Ive been biten by swarms fire ant's, it sucks, but unless your allergic (and I am enough to make area swell and you get feverish), hardly life threatening.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So is working a guy over with your fists.

just sayin.

 

[chaseter]

Ahhh the good old days when we used to beat the crap out of people for information.

 

[Addendum]

Ahhh the good old days when we used to beat the crap out of people for information.

They were good if you were a white dude

 

[chaseter]

And not a suspected communist.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey, don't count it out yet. Red Scare could come back like a wave of madness.

 

[Marx]

US MIGHT CREATE TERROR INTERROGATION TEAM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/18/us-considering-creation-o_n_239148.html

The Obama administration is considering creating a special unit of professional interrogators to handle high-value terror suspects, a government official said Saturday.

The recommendation is expected from a government task force on interrogation methods that plans to send some of its findings to the White House on Tuesday.

The official said the panel has concluded that the unit of intelligence and law enforcement agencies should be created. Also, the official said the task force is unsure which agencies should have a role, though the CIA and FBI are expected to be important players.

The official was not authorized to publicly discuss the task force's work and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Ben LaBolt, a White House spokesman, said President Barack Obama "has not reviewed the recommendations of the task force." The spokesman declined to discuss any findings.

The recommendation to create the unit was first reported in Saturday's Wall Street Journal.

The official said the unit's primary purpose would be intelligence-gathering, rather than building criminal cases for prosecution. The structure would depart significantly from such work under the Bush administration, when the CIA had the lead and sometimes exclusive role in questioning al-Qaida suspects.

The task force has not reached a conclusion as to which agency should lead the unit or where it should be based.

Obama signed executive orders when he took office in January calling for government task forces to recommend future policies for interrogating and detaining suspected terrorists. The deadline for those recommendations is Tuesday, but the work will now take more time.

 

[Kelly]

I just saw that on the news.....

I guess we'll need a czar for this as well...

 

[Marx]

Maybe Kel...maybe.

 

[chaseter]

I can't wait to see how Obama's terror experts will handle these guys!

Where is your leader? If you don't tell me, no tv mister

 

[Cosmic]

Yes, it will be exciting! They'll handle suspects like actual human beings who have basic human rights!

 

[Marx]

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DELAYS GUANTANAMO REPORT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/20/obama-administration-delays-guantanamo-report/

In a move already drawing fire from liberal activists, aides to President Barack Obama acknowledged the administration will miss its own Tuesday deadline to submit a repor detailing its policy on detaining terror suspects.

The report is a key part of laying out the White House's plan for shutting down the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay.

In a briefing for reporters, four senior administration officials confirmed the task force dealing with detention policy has been granted a six-month extension to flesh out its plans, while a separate task force dealing with interrogation policy has been given a two-month extension to submit its own report to the president. The reports had been mandated to be completed this week by executive orders the president signed during his first week in office.

 

[Paradyme]

Talk about wishy washy. He needs to make up his freaking mind already.

 

[Kelly]

Yes, it will be exciting! They'll handle suspects like actual human beings who have basic human rights!

Soooo, the guy that was the mastermind behind 9/11 is human? really?.......he's a chicken **** human then, since he did man up enough to get on one of the flights....so yeah, I guess he is human.

 

[Nivek]

What the point your trying to make here, Kel?