Doctor Who - Regeneration 5 - Part 6

[Primal Slayer]

Ya the Weeping Liberty wasnt needed. I wish the Doctor would find a way later in the season or next season to rescue them from that apartment and let them live out their lives with their friends and family.

 

[SpideyFan866]

The Statue of Liberty being an Angel was a mind****.

When they showed the shot of it prior to the reveal, it struck me "hehe what if the SOL was an Anegl" then BOOM, it's an Angel.

It was a good reveal but it was definitely one of those things where you ask "yeah, how did no one see this?"

 

[chaseter]

Yeah the statue of liberty was one of the dumbest things I have seen on this show. It made me laugh during the ep. Who the hell thought that was ok?

Other than that, I knew pretty much what would happen. It was a nice little send off.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Not to mention it was loud as hell when moving around. The little baby angels were a bit creepy though.

 

[chaseter]

No more Angels though. They ruin them more each time they bring them back. Liberty angel jumped the shark tonight.

I think what hurt these first 5 eps were them being disjointed. This as someone mentioned needed to be a two party. The writing so far just seems a bit off key.

 

[wiegeabo]

My biggest problem with this season was with the pacing of all the episodes except Mercy.

Almost every episode had this frantic pacing to it, with no good reason for it, that just made them hard to follow. And since they felt rushed, a lot of their impact was lost.

Or, the tempo would go from breakneck to a crawl and back again. You could get whiplash. Especially when you compare it to the last two seasons where the fast paced stuff usually worked perfectly.

This episode was probably the second best of the season in this aspect. The only part I really felt rushed at was after the paradox. But I still say it should have been two parts. The first part would be Rory and River running from, and exploring the mystery behind, the angels. While Amy and the Doctor try and figure out a way back, with the episode ending at the arrival of the Tardis. Part 2 would finish up the episode, and add a few more minutes between the paradox and the angel taking Rory to really drop the jaws.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If they werent so invested in making every episode a "movie" then they probably wouldve made this a two parter which I would have preferred.

 

[obin_gam]

Loved this episode, didnt have a dry eye at the end of it

 

[regwec]

From what we now, this will be his new primary look.

Set photos show other garb too, but one thing is certain: The tweed we know is no more.

I really like that costume. The Doctor is coming full circle, back to the Edwardian clothes of William Hartnell.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The Doctor made it sound like that period/region was now temporally sensitive. He might just not want to go and further tempt fate for the sake of revisiting old friends, much less with a device that he seems to hold in low esteem.

yeah, he makes some off hand comment about not being able to go back there right after they wake up in the cemetery.


What was up with that metal plaque in the Tardis the Doctor was doing a final check in? Rolls Royce? Why draw so much attention to it?

 

[chamber-music]

I think the Doctor said if he goes back the paradox is so unstable he might destroy New York if he goes back.

Moffat made it pretty clear he wants that point locked in time with the papradox, the book, ect but then again this is Doctor Who and time can be rewritten.

They didn't just immediately drop dead. They got to live happy lives with each other. It's about as happy an ending as companions can hope for.

Yes but they never get to see their family or friends ever again either.

Martha probably got the most happy ending as she came out almost unscathed from travelling with the Doctor.

Adric got a somewhat heroic death I suppose.

Its funny how The Doctor gave Donna Noble a winning lottery ticket and Rory and Amy a house.

I did the Doctor hand out gifts to his companions in the old show?

 

[Specter313]

Ya the Weeping Liberty wasnt needed. I wish the Doctor would find a way later in the season or next season to rescue them from that apartment and let them live out their lives with their friends and family.

That apartment building set up by the angels was essentially destroyed when Amy and Rory jumped off the building. That last angel that got them was just a survivor as the Doctor said, it just sent them back in time in general, not to any specific building where others were waiting. Like she said in her afterword message to the Doctor, even though they were in a different time away from all their loved ones, Amy and Rory still had a peaceful life where they could live happily together. I doubt she would have been able to get that book published if the angels kept them trapped in one place, unable to leave.

 

[Matt]

None the less, I'd be shocked if this is the last we see of them. 11 is going to be the Doctor for 50th and no matter how good Oswin is, she isn't going to be able to supplant the special relationship that the Ponds have with 11. It would be like doing the 50th with 10 and not including Rose. Maybe I'm in denial but I STRONGLY believe that the Ponds will be back for one last adventure with the Doctor.

Another thought....The Doctor can't return to that specific night or maybe even year, but why can't he just go to New York a few years later and pick them up? All that happened was that they got sent back in time. I don't see why it is so set. As Specter pointed out, it isn't like they are Angel food. They're just living in a different time. Amy wrote the afterward to the book, so that is the only aspect that is set in stone, right? That and a tombstone. A tombstone doesn't necessarily mean death. Just as the Doctor only had to get shot, he didn't have to actually die....couldn't the Doctor just put a tombstone and meet the requirement? He didn't see a body. Why can't the Doctor just go back to the day after the book is published with the afterward and pick them up?

 

[obin_gam]

None the less, I'd be shocked if this is the last we see of them. 11 is going to be the Doctor for 50th and no matter how good Oswin is, she isn't going to be able to supplant the special relationship that the Ponds have with 11. It would be like doing the 50th with 10 and not including Rose. Maybe I'm in denial but I STRONGLY believe that the Ponds will be back for one last adventure with the Doctor.

I completely disagree. That was RTDs way of thinking, which is kinda disrespecting to the (oncoming) current companion - in this case Clara - when that was done in Journeys End it was cheesy and cheap and took away from what Donna could have been. And I dont think Moffat is gong to do that to Clara, having the old companions coming back for really no reason at all.
Also looking at the behind the scenes video its fairly apparent they arent coming back.

The way this episode ended and especailly the shot it ended on, shows that The Ponds are done and they dont need to come back to the show. Their arc is finished. Time for a new companion and new adventures. And thats OK, because that is what this show is about.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Four things about that episode:
1. I don't care for Amy and her blubbering face, but my god Rory!!
2. Since River is going to write this book, get Amy to publish it, with an afterword for the Dr, why not just tell them to meet him in Paris in 2 years? Easy fix...
3. Goddamnit why the hell is River there? There felt to be no real reason for her.
4. I want a 50's set noir series called Pond Investigations. Well, that or Wilf and Brina Investigate Slightly Odd Things...

 

[Matt]

I completely disagree. That was RTDs way of thinking, which is kinda disrespecting to the (oncoming) current companion - in this case Clara - when that was done in Journeys End it was cheesy and cheap and took away from what Donna could have been. And I dont think Moffat is gong to do that to Clara, having the old companions coming back for really no reason at all.
Also looking at the behind the scenes video its fairly apparent they arent coming back.

The way this episode ended and especailly the shot it ended on, shows that The Ponds are done and they dont need to come back to the show. Their arc is finished.

I actually think it is a fair move. No matter how good Donna was (I personally didn't care for the character, but I can't stand Catherine Tate)....she doesn't hold the same importance to 10 as Rose did. She never could. Rose should've been brought back for 10's swan song (of course, Journey's End did not turn out to be that, but none-the-less).

The Ponds are to 11 as Rose was to 10. For an event like the 50th, they can pull no punches. No matter how good Oswin is, I just can't see how she can have the same impact on the Doctor as the Ponds. That doesn't mean that Oswin has to be short changed, but for the full impact of the 50th, the Ponds ought to be there.

 

[Matt]

Four things about that episode:
1. I don't care for Amy and her blubbering face, but my god Rory!!
2. Since River is going to write this book, get Amy to publish it, with an afterword for the Dr, why not just tell them to meet him in Paris in 2 years? Easy fix...
3. Goddamnit why the hell is River there? There felt to be no real reason for her.
4. I want a 50's set noir series called Pond Investigations. Well, that or Wilf and Brina Investigate Slightly Odd Things...

That's what I'd like to know. The only fixed point in time aside from Amy publishing the novel is a tombstone. They didn't see a body. If a robot staging a death meets the fixed point requirement of Lake Silencio, The Doctor putting up a tombstone seems like it would meet the requirement of Amy and Rory seeing a tombstone. I'm confused as to why it is so concrete.

 

[ravn0s]

damn, that ending


so how long is the break until the next lot of episodes?

 

[chamber-music]

Next episode is the Christmas one.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Oh, just and FYI, if you guys want glasses similar to the ones the Dr has, well...

http://www.specsavers.co.uk/glasses/mens-glasses/maxwell/#

It's metal rather than plastic, but hey, it has that Dr style!

 

[SpideyFan866]

damn, that ending


so how long is the break until the next lot of episodes?

Well, not counting the Christmas special, my guess would be March.

They haven't released a solid date yet. So far, they've only said early 2013.

 

[wobbly]

Enjoyed the episode, logic bombs and all, but oddly not as moved as many by the ending...Think that's mainly because (for me) it was another logic bomb:

Spoiler

as others have noted. the Statue of Liberty being an Angel made for a cool visual, but it meant right from the beginning of the episode I was thinking how that files in the face of how the angels are supposed to work (They cannot move when they are being seen, and as the Doctor himself calls it, the 'City that never sleeps' would provide a abundance of eyes constantly fixed on something like that taking a stroll around town....Ghostbusters 2 anyone?).

And the final departure...Ok, so the Doctor cannot ever go back to 1938 New York (though we don't know for sure that was the time where the angel sent them, however we can assume that was the place from the tombstone). But why can't he go back to NY a couple of years later? Or just go to Boston and take a drive or something? That they also added the out with Amy's afterword that could have given the Doctor all he needed to find a way back to them was another 'waitaminute..' moment for me.

Still, at least we finally got an explanation for that otherwise odd scene in the 11th hour when the young Amy looked up for no apparent reason.

 

[Manic]

About the Doctor going back and the Ponds setting up a false tombstone:

I think if the Doctor hadn't gone back and read that Afterword in River's book, he still would've tried to find a way to get Amy & Rory back. But because he knew they were happy in the end, he took comfort and decided to let it be. Besides, the past 4 episodes put a pretty heavy focus on the Doctor's fear that Amy & Rory would be done traveling with him soon. He didn't want this day to ever come, but now it has, and it's time to let go.




On another note, former companion Katy Manning (who played Jo Grant back in the 70's) weighed in on Amy and Rory's exit:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012...aty-manning-reviews-the-angels-take-manhattan

“That was so damned good. I laughed. I cried. I was on the edge of my seat. I jumped out of my skin. That to me is perfect entertainment. Every piece of my emotional machinery was fully engaged. I’m now going to have to have a lie down and take a valium because I don’t think I can actually get through the rest of the day!”

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Another thought....The Doctor can't return to that specific night or maybe even year, but why can't he just go to New York a few years later and pick them up?

Chapter title: "Ameila's Final Farewell"

I don't think Melody Malone was trying to trick him. The fixed point was that this is their last meeting.


I'm sure he can stare at them from far away, but actually meeting them is a no go.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So, in short: timey-wimey stuff.