Eddie brock's character arc

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[DACrowe]

It's a great arc (better than the movie or the superb TAS version, not to mention the crappy one in the comics). But I feel they have left it ignored too long now. He has only been in one of the last three episodes and had no lines in it.

He needs more time to develop.

 

[vinny2]

Yeah, and we have proof that he is.

I actually have more proof than you, but I promised not to speak of that again. (I have a similar situation with Stephen King, but I've already said too much.)

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I actually have more proof than you, but I promised not to speak of that again. (I have a similar situation with Stephen King, but I've already said too much.)

If you don't mind me asking, why did you promise not to speak of it again?

 

[vinny2]

If you don't mind me asking, why did you promise not to speak of it again?

It involves me, Sarcastic Fan, Wikipedia, and a certain crew member of the show. That's all I can say or else Sarcastic Fan will hit me with words.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It involves me, Sarcastic Fan, Wikipedia, and a certain crew member of the show. That's all I can say or else Sarcastic Fan will hit me with words.

Okay.

 

[vinny2]

King, however, I can talk about because he's not here. My English teacher has a friend who is friends with Stephen King. When J.D. came into class and got a text message from Stephen, my friend Tony pleaded with J.D. to text him back to comment on how the Red Sox had played last night. (FYI, King is a Red Sox fan and Tony is a Yankees fan. The Red Sox had lost to the Yankees the night before.) Even though I lean toward the Sox more than the Yankees, I thought it was funny and decided to join in on Tony's pleadings. Eventually, J.D. agreed to send the text message as long as he specifically pointed out it was two students in the class who posed the question. Apparently, Stephen didn't appreciate the crack and now we're on his list.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

King, however, I can talk about because he's not here. My English teacher has a friend who is friends with Stephen King. When J.D. came into class and got a text message from Stephen, my friend Tony pleaded with J.D. to text him back to comment on how the Red Sox had played last night. (FYI, King is a Red Sox fan and Tony is a Yankees fan. The Red Sox had lost to the Yankees the night before.) Even though I lean toward the Sox more than the Yankees, I thought it was funny and decided to join in on Tony's pleadings. Eventually, J.D. agreed to send the text message as long as he specifically pointed out it was two students in the class who posed the question. Apparently, Stephen didn't appreciate the crack and now we're on his list.

Wow, that's very interesting, vinny2.

Anyway, I really do think Brock will be in tommorow's episode. I mean, it just seems so likely.

 

[vinny2]

Wow, that's very interesting, vinny2.

Anyway, I really do think Brock will be in tommorow's episode. I mean, it just seems so likely.

To get back on topic, I agree that Eddie's missed a couple of episodes. If Peter gets the symbiote at the beginning of "Persona", then Eddie probably won't be in this episode. However, it's far more likely that Spidey will don the black suit near the end of "The Uncertainty Principle", so I expect to see Eddie as well.

 

[Ratcrawler]

I pretty much expect Peter's Symbiote-influence to be the straw that broke Eddie's back.

 

[Venomfan]

i'm almost expecting him to go with the emo look in the show, they keep taking some of the worst parts of the movies into the show for some reason

 

[russttrombone]

I pretty much expect Peter's Symbiote-influence to be the straw that broke Eddie's back.

ROFL

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I pretty much expect Peter's Symbiote-influence to be the straw that broke Eddie's back.

LOL!

 

[Ratcrawler]

Possibly my best work since Electro's crotch tube...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Possibly my best work since Electro's crotch tube...

Yeah, I remember that, LOL!

 

[Webhead2006]

lol funny eddie/emo peter.

 

[Anwar]

Huh, you don't suppose they'll end up giving post-Venom Eddie a mullet like in the comics do you?

Either that or go for the bald with goatee look from Ultimate...

 

[Webhead2006]

he wasnt bald and a goatee, he had short hair like a buzz cut.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Huh, you don't suppose they'll end up giving post-Venom Eddie a mullet like in the comics do you?

Either that or go for the bald with goatee look from Ultimate...

I doubt it, I mean, they did happen in the 90's of course, so even if they were to do it, I doubt it would happen anytime soon.

 

[Web-Head408]

Possibly my best work since Electro's crotch tube...

And people actually thought it was real.

 

[Webzpinner]

Or maybe we're all finding out just how mediocre the character of Brock/Venom truly are. Truth is, there is no justification why Brock should want to murder Peter/Spidey in the funny books. Everyone is looking for the cartoons and movies to make up for what isn't in the comics. Now that's just sad and freakin' pathetic.

As a fan of Venom since 1989ish, I can honestly say that the only reason Venom is famous is his look. Eddie Brock's history is rather pathetic.

Or maybe you're are so closed minded that not even the light can can escape the swirling, empty void. Granted, you don't like Venom and that is perfectly fine. I'm not holding that against you, but to simply say what you just said, and then pass it off as "fact" is unacceptable. Nobody is looking in the movies and cartoons for what isn't in the comics, that is a ridiculous notion.

Oh, even the movie producers and the makers of the original 90's cartoon thought Venom's origin in the comics needed a severe overhaul. Lots of people think Venom needs a major makeover. Even Marvel has tried to buff Venom's origin with cancer, his ex-wife's suicide, a dysfunctional father/son relationship, etc. Hasn't worked.

The justification is clear as day. In 616, Eddie Blames Spider-Man for ruining his career, in turn ruining his own life. Yes, it may be contrived, and yes it's delusional but I don't think Eddie Brock is the most sanest person kicking around. He is a psychopathic man, this has been established. At it's core, it works. It's the overexposure which ruined 616 Venom, but there have been a few good stories. Most recently, "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" which deals mainly with Eddie Brock.

Actually, it doesn't work, because such rages do not last that long, plus, it's Eddie's own fault he was an idiot, and deserved what he got. Blaming Spidey just makes him that much more pathetic. At least in the movie, there was a personal angle which helped out Brock's character tremendously, but still, at his core, he's just a whiney SOB. I lost a job due to an idiot of a boss, but I have no reason to put on spandex and hunt him down for it.

In Ultimate Spider-Man Eddie Brock is a slimey worm whom only looks out for himself, oh sure he may seem like a nice guy at first, but he certainlly did feel betrayed by Peter when he stole the "suit", and to top it off, destroy the last sample of the "suit". It was all that was left of their fathers legacy, he had every right to be pissed off, but was he truly ready for the consequences after letting the suit overwhelm him? Perhaps not, but he wanted Peter Parker dead. And guess what, Ultimate Venom was a sucess, plus he wasn't overused. And thats the way it should be.

Ultimate was a horrible Brock. The attempted date-rape of Gwen, the rage towards Parker after he finds out Parker is Spider-man? C'mon, he's gotta know Spidey's adventures from the papers, if Peter says it's bad, it probably is... And Venom's attack of Peter made no sense. They tried to fix it in the Ultimate Spidey game, but again, it was a weak performance at best.

The Spider-Man TAS of the 90's took the 616 Venom, and completely turned it around. It took elements from 616 and they put there own spin on him. And it worked great! As for SM3, it was a mixture of both 616 & Ultimate which truly worked wonderful. Yeah, there are people that don't like how it was handled, but I thought it was wonderful. I am a Venom fan, I have been fan of Venom for years and for many more years to come. Is Venom flawed? Absolutely! But is he so flawed that he cannot operate anymore? Nope, given good writers and imagination, the character can and does work.


I've explained why I'm fan of Venom.

I've given reason why I liked Venom from Spider-Man 3.

And I've given an observation regarding Eddie Brock in the Spectacular Spider-Man series.

Because people have asked me why I'm such a big fan of Venom, i've posted my reasons in the above links.

Musta been that.

Agreed that Venom can work. The "perfect" Venom would be a combo between Spidey 3 and Spectacular cartoon. Eddie Brock knowing Pete, having a love triangle with Gwen, Gwen getting murdered, Brock finding out that Pete was "responsible" as Spider-Man, a persona Pete uses to make all his money as a "scam", and Brock getting the suit and going crazy ape over Spidey.

That would work beautifully. No stupid cancer, no "Last Temptation of Eddie" (worse comic in AGES), Just a simple, solid origin.

 

[Ratcrawler]

And people actually thought it was real.

Not the first time that's happened. Sadly, Rhino's Pee-horn went largely unnoticed...

 

[Arcturus]

You'll have to forgive me Webzpinner, I never been a fan of dissecting posts, but I'll give it a shot.


As a fan of Venom since 1989ish, I can honestly say that the only reason Venom is famous is his look. Eddie Brock's history is rather pathetic.

Ah, it's nice to see other Venom fans! There aren't very many around here. But I can assure you, I'm not a fan because Venom looks "cool".

Oh, even the movie producers and the makers of the original 90's cartoon thought Venom's origin in the comics needed a severe overhaul. Lots of people think Venom needs a major makeover. Even Marvel has tried to buff Venom's origin with cancer, his ex-wife's suicide, a dysfunctional father/son relationship, etc. Hasn't worked.

Oh, I know all about this. I've stated before I don't like the Secret Wars origin, it's way too over the top and to date I have enjoyed the more recent origins of Venom. I have to confess, I haven't really been keeping up with 616 Spider-Man comics for a few years. I never did really like the direction they were taking, such as Norman getting Gwen pregnant, Totem and the Other plot. And recently, this Brand/One More day stuff. But I am aware of the retcon of Venoms motives, having cancer and I certainlly know about the lethal protector series making reference to a failed father/son relationship. I have said before that 616 Brock's motives are weak. I just wish that Brock & Parker had prior interactions with one another, beforehand. Various writers have made note of this, Spider-Man TAS, Ultimate Spider-Man, SM3, SSM all so far have made them have a prior connection to one another. Instead of Eddie Brock appearing out of nowhere and dumping his anger on Spider-Man/Parker.

Actually, it doesn't work, because such rages do not last that long, plus, it's Eddie's own fault he was an idiot, and deserved what he got. Blaming Spidey just makes him that much more pathetic. At least in the movie, there was a personal angle which helped out Brock's character tremendously, but still, at his core, he's just a whiney SOB. I lost a job due to an idiot of a boss, but I have no reason to put on spandex and hunt him down for it.

In a way it does and doesn't work, just hear me out. I think the delusional rage could work, if they had limited to from the first appearance of Venom to the Sand and the Fury. However, in the long run, it does not work. And thus the overexposure of Venom started, then they changed him from a deadly villain to an anti-hero, then back to a villain and then a cancer patient and so fourth. Personally, I think they should have stopped at the Sand and the Fury. And have Brock separate from the symbiote and that would've been the end of that. Unless they wanted to go with their original plan of having the vengeful woman seeking revenge for the death of her husband, or even have the symbiote bond with someone else.



Ultimate was a horrible Brock. The attempted date-rape of Gwen, the rage towards Parker after he finds out Parker is Spider-man? C'mon, he's gotta know Spidey's adventures from the papers, if Peter says it's bad, it probably is... And Venom's attack of Peter made no sense. They tried to fix it in the Ultimate Spidey game, but again, it was a weak performance at best.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Upon hearing Venom was going to get the Ultimate treatment, it brought me back into reading comic-books once again. The Ultimate Venom story was decent, it was certainlly better then a lot of the 616 plot lines, thats for sure. A real connection is established between Brock and Parker, both of their fathers were friends who were working on the "suit". And both died because of the suit. Even Parker and Brock were childhood friends, separated by time. And this origin is better then the secret wars origin, there is no doubting that. Although I prefer my symbiotes to be extraterrestrial, I can live with it. IMO, I felt that Eddie Brock (Ultimate) was the opposite of Parker. Where Parker has good morals, Brock is a bitter and slimy jerk, and when he showed his true colors, it certainlly made this Eddie Brock a lot more darker. Bendis did a wonderful job of showing how ugly Brock jr truly was. Even if Parkers intentions were good, to prevent evil people getting there hands on the suit, the only thing left of their fathers legacy. Eddie was betrayed by his friend, he had good reason to be mad. Instead of being a loser who blames everyone but himself like 616 Brock, there is a concrete reason to be mad at Peter. If Parker never decided to arrogantly intervene with trying to take back his fathers legacy, this whole thing could've been avoided! And when Brock finally turned into Venom, he took out this rage on Peter Parker. This was a refreshing take on Eddie Brock/Venom and I think it is one of my favorite treatments of Venom in awhile, plus there was no overexposure of the character! Writers have recognized the success of Ultimate Venom, as they have incorporated elements of Ultimate Eddie Brock/Venom into Spider-Man 3 and Spectacular Spider-Man. Because it works better then 616. And the SM3/Spectacular surpasses Ultimate Spider-Man.

Agreed that Venom can work. The "perfect" Venom would be a combo between Spidey 3 and Spectacular cartoon. Eddie Brock knowing Pete, having a love triangle with Gwen, Gwen getting murdered, Brock finding out that Pete was "responsible" as Spider-Man, a persona Pete uses to make all his money as a "scam", and Brock getting the suit and going crazy ape over Spidey.

That would work beautifully. No stupid cancer, no "Last Temptation of Eddie" (worse comic in AGES), Just a simple, solid origin.

Well said! I really love how Venom was handled in Spider-Man 3. And I really like how they're handling Eddie Brock in the Spectacular Spider-Man. I truly cannot wait to see Venom make his appearance, this arc is the one I'm looking forward too the most in Spectacular Spider-Man. But I do disagree about the "Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" being the worst comic in ages. It's a nice little story focusing only on Brock. And it's a step in the right direction, even the Venom haters can admit this. But opinions are opinions, and by no means do I mean any disrespect. So on the many points we've discussed, it's probarbly best that we agree to disagree. I suppose I'm just too much of a Venom fan, I have been for many years.

 

[The Joker]

I pretty much expect Peter's Symbiote-influence to be the straw that broke Eddie's back.

LMFAO!

I nearly spat my tea out with laughter when I saw this

As a fan of Venom since 1989ish, I can honestly say that the only reason Venom is famous is his look. Eddie Brock's history is rather pathetic.

Wow, another honest Venom fan. You guys are really impressing me

 

[AIRWOLF]

As a fan of Venom since 1989ish, I can honestly say that the only reason Venom is famous is his look. Eddie Brock's history is rather pathetic.



Oh, even the movie producers and the makers of the original 90's cartoon thought Venom's origin in the comics needed a severe overhaul. Lots of people think Venom needs a major makeover. Even Marvel has tried to buff Venom's origin with cancer, his ex-wife's suicide, a dysfunctional father/son relationship, etc. Hasn't worked.



Ultimate was a horrible Brock. The attempted date-rape of Gwen, the rage towards Parker after he finds out Parker is Spider-man? C'mon, he's gotta know Spidey's adventures from the papers, if Peter says it's bad, it probably is... And Venom's attack of Peter made no sense. They tried to fix it in the Ultimate Spidey game, but again, it was a weak performance at best.


Agreed that Venom can work. The "perfect" Venom would be a combo between Spidey 3 and Spectacular cartoon. Eddie Brock knowing Pete, having a love triangle with Gwen, Gwen getting murdered, Brock finding out that Pete was "responsible" as Spider-Man, a persona Pete uses to make all his money as a "scam", and Brock getting the suit and going crazy ape over Spidey.

That would work beautifully. No stupid cancer, no "Last Temptation of Eddie" (worse comic in AGES), Just a simple, solid origin.

You're right about Venom being famous for his looks, especially among kids. But I see his pathetic-ness as more of a human fault than just some lame attempt to create a character's arc, which is also true in a way. He does lacks substantial amounts of substance for movie adaption, that's true. Not only does he needs serious overhaul in cartoons or movies, but in comics as well. I hope the Brand New Day has it better.

Completely agree about Spectacular being the best Eddie yet, beside the movie one.