Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Eddie]

The popsicle interrogation was straight out of the comics.

Yes, but the point is it's lighter in tone. The Punisher's level of "grit" varies greatly throughout the publication history. He once crossed into the Archie universe, of all things. The point was the Jane version wasn't as ultra grim dark as the version where Frank is naked in the sewer talking about his mission from God.

Lungdren Punisher sucks.


Fun fact: I spent two minutes convincing autocorrect that I wasn't trying to type Lingered Punished socks.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeesh.

"There's the opportunity to make something that is challenging and tragic and dramatic," adds Trank. "The opportunity is right there in the material. We'd rather steer it in that direction as opposed to just embracing a tone that comes right off the page."

I don't necessarily think it is wrong to look at the source material, and see the potential for a story that is not like what the source material presented. Granted, it isn't the popular method at the moment, but there are plenty of things that have done this before. I think the best examples would be Disney fairy tales. Not exactly accurate to the source material, but many are still good films.

Now, that isn't the film many here want. That is okay. I'm interested because this looks like an interesting sci-fi film. The quality of the film still has to be determined, sure. I do hope some keep an open mind on it, and try to enjoy it for what it is. If keeping accurate to previous movies was that important to me, I would never have been able to accept my favorite Godzilla movie. I mean, EVIL Godzilla and good Ghidorah, WTF! But, I love that movie.

He has springs on his costume. Because realism.

Looks more like bungies to me. Admittidly, a minor nitpick.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If keeping accurate to previous movies was that important to me, I would never have been able to accept my favorite Godzilla movie. I mean, EVIL Godzilla and good Ghidorah, WTF! But, I love that movie..

Yeah, If I judged Guardians based on accuracy I'd have probably disliked it for all the changes but I loved it as it was a great quality movie.

Ideally this will be judged on what it is and not what it isn't

Speaking of Guardians I don't see how what Trank said is any worse than what Gunn said

It’s not really based on anything. The story for Guardians 2 is an original story that I came up with. It’s different than what’s in the comic books

 

[First Avenger]

The X-4 strike again. It's like living in 2000.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

It occurred to me. What do Batman Begins, Captain America The First Avenger, Amazing Spider-Man, Man of Steel and Daredevil (Netflix) have in common?

Answer:

Spoiler

They are all reboots that are grittier in tone than the previous version.

Has there been a superhero reboot that wasn't grittier in tone than the previous version?

That's a genuine question as I can't think of any.

I haven't seen Punisher War Zone but ive heard it's darker than the first

Considering that it's really no surprise that this is grittier since possibly every other Marvel/DC reboot has been darker

TFA and PWZ were certainly not grittier than their predecessors.

 

[Jordacar]

TFA and PWZ were certainly not grittier than their predecessors.

Yeah, PWZ was definitely flashier and sillier than what came before.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

TFA and PWZ were certainly not grittier than their predecessors.

Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't grittier than the 70's Reb Brown Cap or the early 90's Cap film with Salinger? Ok, if you say so.

 

[Jordacar]

Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't grittier than the 70's Reb Brown Cap or the early 90's Cap film with Salinger? Ok, if you say so.

TFA definitely used more greenscreen.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't grittier than the 70's Reb Brown Cap or the early 90's Cap film with Salinger? Ok, if you say so.

I haven't watched the 70's version, but the 90's version was definitely grittier than TFA. 90's Red Skull while unfaithful to the comics was a better villain than the TFA version. The 90's version had really downer things like Cap's old flame and her husband being murdered by Red Skull's minions.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Yeah, If I judged Guardians based on accuracy I'd have probably disliked it for all the changes but I loved it as it was a great quality movie.

Ideally this will be judged on what it is and not what it isn't

Speaking of Guardians I don't see how what Trank said is any worse than what Gunn said

The difference is that, while the story for GOTG2 is new (as is every new comic book story is, every single month), he's not radically changing the characters, their backgrounds, nor the tone of their stories. It will still be recognizable as Guardians of the Galaxy, whereas this film is only recognizable as The Fantastic Four on a VERY, disgustingly basic level.

 

[Urich Leeds]

TFA and PWZ were certainly not grittier than their predecessors.

Punisher: Warzone, tonally, was much grittier. The Jane Punisher film has MUCH darker elements, but it approached in a more traditional superhero film fashion, where PWZ approached like a gritty, B-Movie-esque exploitation film

 

[Human Torch]

Looks just like my comics!

 

[craigdbfan]

Hey look it's Samuel Stern in the background!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm starting to feel as depressed as the actors look in every scene. Josh Trank was certainly right about one thing. This is "tragic".

 

[coolmovies]

http://www.comicmix.com/2015/02/25/mike-gold-fantastic-four-is-fantastic-for

Very interesting......you all should read.

 

[wobbly]

http://www.comicmix.com/2015/02/25/mike-gold-fantastic-four-is-fantastic-for

Very interesting......you all should read.

Very misleading too: Comics are usually produced several months before publication. The author of that article needs to do better research before pitching a theory as the square logo and also using the '4' as the second 'A 'in the name (Fant4stic) was used in the published books since last November:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/FANFOUR2014013-DC11-5299e.jpg

So which is the more likely? That Marvel, several months before November, somehow got hold of Fox's plans for a logo that likely did not even exist at the time as they wouldn't be showing it off until the next year, ripped it off. Or that Fox, aware of the current logos for the books since November (earlier if they saw the solicits for those books), ripped Marvels new FF logo off?

My money is firmly on the latter.

 

[coolmovies]

Very misleading too: Comics are usually produced several months before publication. The author of that article needs to do better research before pitching a theory as the square logo and also using the '4' as the second 'A 'in the name (Fant4stic) was used in the published books since last November:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/FANFOUR2014013-DC11-5299e.jpg

So which is the more likely? That Marvel, several months before November, somehow got hold of Fox's plans for a logo that likely did not even exist at the time as they wouldn't be showing it off until the next year, ripped it off. Or that Fox, aware of the current logos for the books since November (earlier if they saw the solicits for those books), ripped Marvels new FF logo off?

My money is firmly on the latter.

Cool. So fox did design their logo on the newer comics. I was under the impression it was some weird marketing strategy.

 

[Mikelus]

Looks just like my comics!

Heimdall is black, Ant-Man and Wasp not founding members of the Avengers, Tony creating Ultron, Barry Allen is not blonde, Iris West is black, Barry and Iris are foster siblings, Barry and Linda Park are dating, Oliver Queen is Batman-lite, just like my com... oh wait!!

And if rumors become reality, the next Spiderman will be black, the world is ending!!!

Humour aside, despite these changes to the source material, most fans are happy with Marvel and DCTV.

The fact is the general public doesn't care, fans hate Michael Bay, but the crappy Transformers movies keep making money and the new TMNT made enough to get a sequel. While fans loved the last Dredd movie and Scott Pilgrim vs the World, both big flops. We like it or not, fans only represent a very small portion of the BO: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/...ywood-today-really-driven-by-comic-book-fans/

I think some fans have just to overcome their fanboyism if they don't want to feel too bitter about these things:

Anybody who's ever fallen in love can attest that the rational brain takes something of a back seat for a while whilst you're busy riding an insane rollercoaster of happy chemicals. The person has no faults, and anybody who sees any faults in them must be blind or stupid. Even if it turns out they are completely wrong for you. It's just how the brain works; it makes sense in evolutionary terms that the love rush usually lasts about a year, or long enough for you to have had enough sex to produce some offspring. After that, you can't just rely on the chemicals.

It's revealing to learn that the brain chemicals involved in fanboyism are, startlingly, very similar. "It's like falling in love - what happens then is that you get a tsunami of a neurotransmitter called dopamine into the brain, which gives you a huge buzz," says Dr Lewis. "This happens with products, they can do exactly the same thing - in fact when we look at addictive behaviour, we find that people become addicted to products. That's how people become obsessive collectors of things like Barbies. The sight, feel, taste, touch of the product will evoke these huge responses in the brain, like getting a high."

This explains why getting a new thing feels so exciting - it's a very sensory type of pleasure. But just like with people, long-term fanboys can "fall in love" with a brand or product on a deeper level, creating a connection over the course of years.

This is why people get so disproportionately angry if there is any perceived change in that product. "We won't like change in the things we are familiar with - we become very comfortable with products, and we develop what feels like a friendship with them, or at the extremes, a love affair," Dr Lewis says.

In summary, then, if you diss a fanboy's console it's literally like you've called their girlfriend ugly to their face, or insulted their mum. Hence the high emotions.

I wouldn't be the first to observe that fanboys tend to be teenagers, or younger. This is because, reassuringly, people do tend to grow out of this behaviour.

"They very often do, just as you grow out of first love - you may fall desperately in love as a 16-year-old and by the time you're in your first job you have no idea what you saw in the other person," says Dr Hodgson. "You have to remember that the brain of the young person, the adolescent or even up to the early twenties is still developing, and what is happening is an awful lot of destruction is going on around the neurons - it's like a gardener pruning plants, the brain tends to prune itself so that it is better adapted to the environment in which it finds itself. Up to that time people are much more likely to be risk-taking, impulsive and develop passions for things - people, products, some activities."

http://kotaku.com/why-fanboys-act-like-jerks-1563379006

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Looks just like my comics!

Looks just like my comics after I have dragged them through a pile of cow dungt:

 

[Zarex]

Heimdall is black, Ant-Man and Wasp not founding members of the Avengers, Tony creating Ultron, Barry Allen is not blonde, Iris West is black, Barry and Iris are foster siblings, Barry and Linda Park are dating, Oliver Queen is Batman-lite, just like my com... oh wait!!

And if rumors become reality, the next Spiderman will be black, the world is ending!!!

Humour aside, despite these changes to the source material, most fans are happy with Marvel and DCTV.

Fans of comic book movies have come to realize that major changes must take place in order for the characters and stories we love to transition successfully to the big screen. Though I may have initially winced at the idea of leather costumes, organic webbing, AI Jarvis and SUPPORTING characters that don't resemble their comicbook inspiration, I realize that Logan must go back in time and Tony must create Ultron in order for their respective stories to work.

But FFINO is different, and represents a major step back for fans of comic book movies. Both the casting and costuming resemble no version of Marvel's First Family ever put to print, and the Cronenbergian tone is wildly off from the way the team has been depicted for over half a century. It's the FF movie for people that hate the FF.

If Trank is embarassed by the classic source material, that's fine. Make Chronicle 2 and go on your merry way. But to distort the FF in a cheap rights grab by not only throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but tossing aside the toddler, the twins and your niece visiting from Newark is a disgrace.

The fact is the general public doesn't care, fans hate Michael Bay, but the crappy Transformers movies keep making money and the new TMNT made enough to get a sequel. While fans loved the last Dredd movie and Scott Pilgrim vs the World, both big flops. We like it or not, fans only represent a very small portion of the BO: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/...ywood-today-really-driven-by-comic-book-fans/

I think some fans have just to overcome their fanboyism if they don't want to feel too bitter about these things:

Any study that compares current comic book readership to ticket sales is a complete waste of time. A large chunk of fans used to read comics - I'm old enough to remember when it was primarily a children's hobby. Though oldtimers may not make a monthly trip to the Comic Book Store, we never stopped being fans of the characters and stories we grew up with. And we share our interest with our spouses and children, leading to more ticket sales that are not captured by that laughable RT analysis.

 

[Dark Raven]

Looks just like my comics after I have dragged them through a pile of cow dungt:

Looks like my comics after I mistook them for toilet paper.

 

[wobbly]

Cool. So fox did design their logo on the newer comics. I was under the impression it was some weird marketing strategy.

Don't think I'd call it 'cool' myself (when the film itself has major deviations from the books the logo has come from), it's just Fox exploiting the change Marvel made to the FF 'branding' so they can have something different for the film logo and the title than what came before. Marvel kinda handed that to them on a plate (I doubt they foresaw Fox using it too when they came up with it).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Heimdall is black, Ant-Man and Wasp not founding members of the Avengers, Tony creating Ultron, Barry Allen is not blonde, Iris West is black, Barry and Iris are foster siblings, Barry and Linda Park are dating, Oliver Queen is Batman-lite, just like my com... oh wait!!

And if rumors become reality, the next Spiderman will be black, the world is ending!!!

Humour aside, despite these changes to the source material, most fans are happy with Marvel and DCTV.

The fact is the general public doesn't care, fans hate Michael Bay, but the crappy Transformers movies keep making money and the new TMNT made enough to get a sequel. While fans loved the last Dredd movie and Scott Pilgrim vs the World, both big flops. We like it or not, fans only represent a very small portion of the BO: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/...ywood-today-really-driven-by-comic-book-fans/

I think some fans have just to overcome their fanboyism if they don't want to feel too bitter about these things:

The difference between the examples you cite and this film is that some changes were made to those stories and characters while many other elements were maintained.

In this case the characters are completely unrecognizable even to casual fans.

I've never read a Thor comic book in my life, but I have an idea of who he is and I would immediately recognize this:

As Thor.

And Iron Man, Batman, Superman, Captain America, Hulk, Loki, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles etc. etc. etc. are all recognizable even though some changes and modifications have been made.

But look at those photos of Reed, Johnny and Sue. There's absolutely no way anyone would ever recognize them as their characters.

If they had a few changes here and there, that would be fine, but nothing that we've seen or heard from this production is even similar to the Fantastic Four.

We presume at this point they will have the same names and powers, but I'm not even sure of that anymore.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Looks just like my comics!

I'm curious what the FF and military's relationship will be by the end. Like FC where they split apart?

 

[Dark Raven]

The difference between the examples you cite and this film is that some changes were made to those stories and characters while many other elements were maintained.

In this case the characters are completely unrecognizable even to casual fans.

I've never read a Thor comic book in my life, but I have an idea of who he is and I would immediately recognize this:

As Thor.

And Iron Man, Batman, Superman, Captain America, Hulk, Loki, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles etc. etc. etc. are all recognizable even though some changes and modifications have been made.

But look at those photos of Reed, Johnny and Sue. There's absolutely no way anyone would ever recognize them as their characters.

If they had a few changes here and there, that would be fine, but nothing that we've seen or heard from this production is even similar to the Fantastic Four.

We presume at this point they will have the same names and powers, but I'm not even sure of that anymore.

I agree that the FFINO uniforms are completely unrecognisable as the FF. If not for the name slapped over the movie, I would never know these are supposed to be those characters. It just looks like some random sci-fi movie.